[OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways
Hi, Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If not, what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be uniform at world level ? Thanks for your answer, Matthieu (sur iMobile) Début du message transféré : > > Une recherche, évidemment loin d’être exhaustive, m’a fourni une première > liste de ce que l’ECF (European Cyclists’ Federation) dénomme les Fast > Cycling Routes : > • CH: Velobahn (Schaffhouse), TransAgglo (Fribourg), . > • DE: Radschnellwege (Ruhr, Berlin, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, München, …) > • DK: Supercykelstier (Kobenhavn) > • FR: REV, Réseau Express Vélo, Autoroute à vélos (Toulouse), Vélostras > (Strasbourg), Grenoble, Paris, > • NL: Snelle Fietsroutes, Snelbinder > > • SV: Supercykelväg (Malmoe) > • UK: Cycle Superhighways (London) > • US: California Cycleway(1896) > • VL: Fietsostrades (réalisations ; projets dans les 5 provinces) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways
Nothing really special about them, highway=cycleway should be appropriate. Glenn On 24-01-16 13:12, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: > Hi, > > Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle > highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. > > I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If not, > what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be > uniform at world level ? > > Thanks for your answer, > > Matthieu (sur iMobile) > > Début du message transféré : >> >> Une recherche, évidemment loin d’être exhaustive, m’a fourni une >> première liste de ce que l’ECF (European Cyclists’ Federation) dénomme >> les */Fast Cycling Routes/** :* >> • CH: Velobahn (Schaffhouse), TransAgglo (Fribourg), . >> • DE: Radschnellwege (Ruhr, Berlin, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, München, …) >> • DK: Supercykelstier (Kobenhavn) >> • FR: REV, Réseau Express Vélo, Autoroute à vélos (Toulouse), >> Vélostras (Strasbourg), Grenoble, Paris, >> • NL: SnelleFietsroutes, Snelbinder >> Image en ligne >> • SV: Supercykelväg (Malmoe) >> • UK: Cycle Superhighways (London) >> • US: California Cycleway(1896) >> • VL: Fietsostrades (réalisations ; projets dans les 5 provinces) > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways
Bicycle highways are more like bicycle routes than different highway types. They are a route specifically made for commuting, connecting residential area with some work center in a rather straight line. As such, I think those could get tagged as a cycle route with some specific sub tags (like a special network). The question is though: are they verifiable on the ground. Or is it just that European list naming them. It should only be tagged when you see something on the ground that you can relate to bicycle highways. Regards, Sander 2016-01-24 15:00 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas : > Nothing really special about them, highway=cycleway should be appropriate. > > Glenn > > On 24-01-16 13:12, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle > > highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. > > > > I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If not, > > what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be > > uniform at world level ? > > > > Thanks for your answer, > > > > Matthieu (sur iMobile) > > > > Début du message transféré : > >> > >> Une recherche, évidemment loin d’être exhaustive, m’a fourni une > >> première liste de ce que l’ECF (European Cyclists’ Federation) dénomme > >> les */Fast Cycling Routes/** :* > >> • CH: Velobahn (Schaffhouse), TransAgglo (Fribourg), . > >> • DE: Radschnellwege (Ruhr, Berlin, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, München, …) > >> • DK: Supercykelstier (Kobenhavn) > >> • FR: REV, Réseau Express Vélo, Autoroute à vélos (Toulouse), > >> Vélostras (Strasbourg), Grenoble, Paris, > >> • NL: SnelleFietsroutes, Snelbinder > >> Image en ligne > >> • SV: Supercykelväg (Malmoe) > >> • UK: Cycle Superhighways (London) > >> • US: California Cycleway(1896) > >> • VL: Fietsostrades (réalisations ; projets dans les 5 provinces) > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-be mailing list > > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways
Between Leuven and Brussels they are marked in a way that is verifiable on the ground. We need a separate 'network' tag for them though, and it would be nice to see they get rendered on the specialised bicycle maps. Jo 2016-01-24 15:31 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere : > Bicycle highways are more like bicycle routes than different highway types. > > They are a route specifically made for commuting, connecting residential > area with some work center in a rather straight line. > > As such, I think those could get tagged as a cycle route with some > specific sub tags (like a special network). > > The question is though: are they verifiable on the ground. Or is it just > that European list naming them. It should only be tagged when you see > something on the ground that you can relate to bicycle highways. > > Regards, > Sander > > 2016-01-24 15:00 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas : > >> Nothing really special about them, highway=cycleway should be >> appropriate. >> >> Glenn >> >> On 24-01-16 13:12, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle >> > highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. >> > >> > I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If not, >> > what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be >> > uniform at world level ? >> > >> > Thanks for your answer, >> > >> > Matthieu (sur iMobile) >> > >> > Début du message transféré : >> >> >> >> Une recherche, évidemment loin d’être exhaustive, m’a fourni une >> >> première liste de ce que l’ECF (European Cyclists’ Federation) dénomme >> >> les */Fast Cycling Routes/** :* >> >> • CH: Velobahn (Schaffhouse), TransAgglo (Fribourg), . >> >> • DE: Radschnellwege (Ruhr, Berlin, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, München, >> …) >> >> • DK: Supercykelstier (Kobenhavn) >> >> • FR: REV, Réseau Express Vélo, Autoroute à vélos (Toulouse), >> >> Vélostras (Strasbourg), Grenoble, Paris, >> >> • NL: SnelleFietsroutes, Snelbinder >> >> Image en ligne >> >> • SV: Supercykelväg (Malmoe) >> >> • UK: Cycle Superhighways (London) >> >> • US: California Cycleway(1896) >> >> • VL: Fietsostrades (réalisations ; projets dans les 5 provinces) >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Talk-be mailing list >> > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
Thursday 21 January 2016 05:35:11, Marc Gemis: > At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into something > that can be "easily" imported. > (...) Great that we'll have a more or less complete map of the buildings in Flanders. I know some places where OSM already has much better building information than Agiv, mapped with love and local knowledge. Can I make sure those don't get overridden by inferior data with a note in the data or something? -- This message is OpenPGP signed. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
You could add note on them, but there is no guarantee that it gets read or acted upon, so it's probably a waste of bytes to do so. There are tools that let you watch over certain areas that have your interest, then you can revert and send a message to the person who replaced with inferior data to no do so in that region. I think that's the more sensible way to proceed, but I can't remember the names of those tools at the moment. Cheers, Jo 2016-01-24 17:48 GMT+01:00 Ruben Maes : > Thursday 21 January 2016 05:35:11, Marc Gemis: > > At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into > something > > that can be "easily" imported. > > (...) > > Great that we'll have a more or less complete map of the buildings in > Flanders. > > I know some places where OSM already has much better building information > than Agiv, mapped with love and local knowledge. Can I make sure those > don't get overridden by inferior data with a note in the data or something? > > -- > This message is OpenPGP signed. > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
Ruben, The import is a lot more complicated than the CRAB import, but also less monkey work, so there will only be a few people doing that import. Normally those will also be careful about what they import, but they should also be easy to contact, so you can warn them on beforehand. However, now it's just in some sort of testing phase, so it's not yet known who will occupy himself with the import. Regards, Sander 2016-01-24 17:48 GMT+01:00 Ruben Maes : > Thursday 21 January 2016 05:35:11, Marc Gemis: > > At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into > something > > that can be "easily" imported. > > (...) > > Great that we'll have a more or less complete map of the buildings in > Flanders. > > I know some places where OSM already has much better building information > than Agiv, mapped with love and local knowledge. Can I make sure those > don't get overridden by inferior data with a note in the data or something? > > -- > This message is OpenPGP signed. > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
Sunday 24 January 2016 18:13:02, Jo: > You could add note on them, but there is no guarantee that it gets read or > acted upon, so it's probably a waste of bytes to do so. There are tools > that let you watch over certain areas that have your interest, then you can > revert and send a message to the person who replaced with inferior data to > no do so in that region. > > I think that's the more sensible way to proceed, but I can't remember the > names of those tools at the moment. Thanks Jo. After some searching I found that http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ has such functionality. -- This message is OpenPGP signed. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
As the other pointed out, the import has to be done /will be done carefully. Glenn try it in a mostly empty area and of course it goes much faster. In an area with buildings, we will keep all existing information. The replace geometry functionality in JOSM + utilsplugin2 is your friend. The quality of the data after the import will depend on the person that does the import. I noticed, e.g. that many peoples do not have nice corners. So I did a "q" on them. Maybe other will "forget" that step. I also removed several additional nodes. I prefer to go a bit slower, but deliver a nicer result. Others might import more and clean up less. We see the same with the import of the addresses so far. Some just draw a bunch of rectangles for the houses, regardless of the actual shape. It all depends on your goals. Depending on the town, you might notice that the data can be a bit of of date or sometimes it can be drawn a bit clumsy. It's up to the importer to be alert and fix it IMHO. I hope we can organize a meetup or a hangout to explain the tools and the tips and tricks to some people later on. regards m On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: > Thursday 21 January 2016 05:35:11, Marc Gemis: >> At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into something >> that can be "easily" imported. >> (...) > > Great that we'll have a more or less complete map of the buildings in > Flanders. > > I know some places where OSM already has much better building information > than Agiv, mapped with love and local knowledge. Can I make sure those don't > get overridden by inferior data with a note in the data or something? > > -- > This message is OpenPGP signed. > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
The current test procedure respects previous editing work, because the goal is not to import GRB data (not = CRAB) into OSM, but to improve OSM data with GRB. That means keeping history on an existing building intact, taking into account that a human has entered the original tags in case of doubt, the editor needs to decide what's appropriate. In the whole of Stekene, I probably deleted no more than 20 buildings on multiple thousands that got imported with good reasons. Deleting is not an issue. What will be a challenge is training and guidance in a working procedure, making sure we take acceptable decisions in area's of conflict. It will also never be fully automated due to the fact that it's not going to be a flat import but more like a merger of data. The speed is depending on how much conflict you encounter, existing buildings are not a problem, but it's indeed easier and faster when nothing is 'in the way' . But even in crowded places where houses existed, merging a building just takes 100% attention, a few seconds and a lot of coffee on the side. Existing data actually helps on deciding. The real time consuming bit's are when existing buildings were addressed incorrectly in OSM (offset housenumbers by 1 building -for example- is a pain in the butt) Tag migration and merging takes more time than replaceing the geometry itself. Every time the merge conflict dialog pops up, you'll loose 15 seconds, multiply that by thousands of buildings... I believe that crowded cities will be intensive to merge. Glenn On 24-01-16 18:18, Marc Gemis wrote: > As the other pointed out, the import has to be done /will be done > carefully. Glenn try it in a mostly empty area and of course it goes > much faster. In an area with buildings, we will keep all existing > information. The replace geometry functionality in JOSM + utilsplugin2 > is your friend. > > The quality of the data after the import will depend on the person > that does the import. I noticed, e.g. that many peoples do not have > nice corners. So I did a "q" on them. Maybe other will "forget" that > step. I also removed several additional nodes. I prefer to go a bit > slower, but deliver a nicer result. Others might import more and clean > up less. We see the same with the import of the addresses so far. Some > just draw a bunch of rectangles for the houses, regardless of the > actual shape. > > It all depends on your goals. > > Depending on the town, you might notice that the data can be a bit of > of date or sometimes it can be drawn a bit clumsy. It's up to the > importer to be alert and fix it IMHO. > > I hope we can organize a meetup or a hangout to explain the tools and > the tips and tricks to some people later on. > > regards > > m > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: >> Thursday 21 January 2016 05:35:11, Marc Gemis: >>> At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into something >>> that can be "easily" imported. >>> (...) >> >> Great that we'll have a more or less complete map of the buildings in >> Flanders. >> >> I know some places where OSM already has much better building information >> than Agiv, mapped with love and local knowledge. Can I make sure those don't >> get overridden by inferior data with a note in the data or something? >> >> -- >> This message is OpenPGP signed. >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
Sunday 24 January 2016 19:03:35, Glenn Plas: > (...) > In the whole of Stekene, I probably deleted no more than 20 buildings > on multiple thousands that got imported with good reasons. Deleting > is not an issue. > (...) > Tag migration and merging takes more time than replaceing the geometry > itself. Every time the merge conflict dialog pops up, you'll loose 15 > seconds, multiply that by thousands of buildings... > (...) I also mean when the geometry in OSM is actually better than in the GRB. I'm thinking in particular about VIVES in Bruges. The GRB building shape is just wrong. In OSM it's better (may be not perfect, it's a complex building) and 3D mapped. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.18741/3.20325 -- This message is OpenPGP signed. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Agiv import
It's up to the mapper that does the import to check each building individually. It's not different than noticing that a building is partly destroyed on the AGIV imagery and adapting the GRB building according to that. m On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: > Sunday 24 January 2016 19:03:35, Glenn Plas: >> (...) >> In the whole of Stekene, I probably deleted no more than 20 buildings >> on multiple thousands that got imported with good reasons. Deleting >> is not an issue. >> (...) >> Tag migration and merging takes more time than replaceing the geometry >> itself. Every time the merge conflict dialog pops up, you'll loose 15 >> seconds, multiply that by thousands of buildings... >> (...) > > I also mean when the geometry in OSM is actually better than in the GRB. I'm > thinking in particular about VIVES in Bruges. The GRB building shape is just > wrong. In OSM it's better (may be not perfect, it's a complex building) and > 3D mapped. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.18741/3.20325 > > -- > This message is OpenPGP signed. > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Grote Routepaden (GR)
Hi, On Thursday I'm meeting people from Toerisme Vlaanderen at 10h15 near to Antwerpen-Centraal for an informal discussion. If somebody wants to join us, or if there is something I should definitely mention to them, let me know. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways
The Fiets-o-Strade between Antwerpen en Mechelen is a relation [1]. I don't know who created it. As far as I remember there are "maps" along the route. I think the blue sign [2] is indicating it. For the rest you will only see destination signs for cyclist [3] [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1948657 [2] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/YW7xYSxMsa0173CATpNI9g/photo [3] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/npqKaMq-nByoT1qf4TYi4Q/photo On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jo wrote: > Between Leuven and Brussels they are marked in a way that is verifiable on > the ground. > > We need a separate 'network' tag for them though, and it would be nice to > see they get rendered on the specialised bicycle maps. > > Jo > > 2016-01-24 15:31 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere : >> >> Bicycle highways are more like bicycle routes than different highway >> types. >> >> They are a route specifically made for commuting, connecting residential >> area with some work center in a rather straight line. >> >> As such, I think those could get tagged as a cycle route with some >> specific sub tags (like a special network). >> >> The question is though: are they verifiable on the ground. Or is it just >> that European list naming them. It should only be tagged when you see >> something on the ground that you can relate to bicycle highways. >> >> Regards, >> Sander >> >> 2016-01-24 15:00 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas : >>> >>> Nothing really special about them, highway=cycleway should be >>> appropriate. >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> On 24-01-16 13:12, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle >>> > highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. >>> > >>> > I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If not, >>> > what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be >>> > uniform at world level ? >>> > >>> > Thanks for your answer, >>> > >>> > Matthieu (sur iMobile) >>> > >>> > Début du message transféré : >>> >> >>> >> Une recherche, évidemment loin d’être exhaustive, m’a fourni une >>> >> première liste de ce que l’ECF (European Cyclists’ Federation) dénomme >>> >> les */Fast Cycling Routes/** :* >>> >> • CH: Velobahn (Schaffhouse), TransAgglo (Fribourg), . >>> >> • DE: Radschnellwege (Ruhr, Berlin, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, München, >>> >> …) >>> >> • DK: Supercykelstier (Kobenhavn) >>> >> • FR: REV, Réseau Express Vélo, Autoroute à vélos (Toulouse), >>> >> Vélostras (Strasbourg), Grenoble, Paris, >>> >> • NL: SnelleFietsroutes, Snelbinder >>> >> Image en ligne >>> >> • SV: Supercykelväg (Malmoe) >>> >> • UK: Cycle Superhighways (London) >>> >> • US: California Cycleway(1896) >>> >> • VL: Fietsostrades (réalisations ; projets dans les 5 provinces) >>> > >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Talk-be mailing list >>> > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> > >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] FIG 2016 : Appel à Propositions
Pour votre information, la nouvelle édition du Festival International de Géographie de Saint-Dié se prépare. http://www.fig.saint-die-des-vosges.fr/370-appel-a-propositions-pour-le-fig-2016 Thème du FIG 2016 : "Un monde qui va plus vite ?" Pays invité : La Belgique. Dates : vendredi 30 septembre - dimanche 2 octobre 2016 Lieu : Saint Dié des Vosges. Les propositions sont à envoyer pour le 1er mars 2016 au plus tard au secrétariat scientifique du FIG. Informations et documents disponibles sur le site du FIG : http://www.fig.saint-die-des-vosges.fr/ Direction scientifique du FIG 2016 Béatrice Collignon & Philippe Pelletier (U. Bordeaux Montaigne ; U. Lumière Lyon 2) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways
There is a problem with the 'network' tag for those Fietsostrades. The change of the network tag of the HST-Route Leuven-Brussel by the creator 3 years ago from 'network=rcn' to 'network=lcn' is justified "to solve a color conflict with the cycle node network". This looks like tagging for the renderer? The Fietsostrade (Antwerpen-Mechelen' doesn't have a network tag yet, what makes it less visible on maps. Shouldn't they get tag 'network=ncn' because Fietsostrades can be considered as a national network equal to RAVel? It would make those Fietsostrades better visible. Erik Op 24-01-16 om 21:13 schreef Marc Gemis: The Fiets-o-Strade between Antwerpen en Mechelen is a relation [1]. I don't know who created it. As far as I remember there are "maps" along the route. I think the blue sign [2] is indicating it. For the rest you will only see destination signs for cyclist [3] [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1948657 [2] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/YW7xYSxMsa0173CATpNI9g/photo [3] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/npqKaMq-nByoT1qf4TYi4Q/photo On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jo wrote: Between Leuven and Brussels they are marked in a way that is verifiable on the ground. We need a separate 'network' tag for them though, and it would be nice to see they get rendered on the specialised bicycle maps. Jo 2016-01-24 15:31 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere : Bicycle highways are more like bicycle routes than different highway types. They are a route specifically made for commuting, connecting residential area with some work center in a rather straight line. As such, I think those could get tagged as a cycle route with some specific sub tags (like a special network). The question is though: are they verifiable on the ground. Or is it just that European list naming them. It should only be tagged when you see something on the ground that you can relate to bicycle highways. Regards, Sander 2016-01-24 15:00 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas : Nothing really special about them, highway=cycleway should be appropriate. Glenn On 24-01-16 13:12, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: Hi, Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If not, what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be uniform at world level ? Thanks for your answer, Matthieu (sur iMobile) Début du message transféré : Une recherche, évidemment loin d’être exhaustive, m’a fourni une première liste de ce que l’ECF (European Cyclists’ Federation) dénomme les */Fast Cycling Routes/** :* • CH: Velobahn (Schaffhouse), TransAgglo (Fribourg), . • DE: Radschnellwege (Ruhr, Berlin, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, München, …) • DK: Supercykelstier (Kobenhavn) • FR: REV, Réseau Express Vélo, Autoroute à vélos (Toulouse), Vélostras (Strasbourg), Grenoble, Paris, • NL: SnelleFietsroutes, Snelbinder Image en ligne • SV: Supercykelväg (Malmoe) • UK: Cycle Superhighways (London) • US: California Cycleway(1896) • VL: Fietsostrades (réalisations ; projets dans les 5 provinces) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways
I think we should get away from those rcn, lcn and ncn networks. And be freer in the allowed networks. Even now there are problems with rcn networks used for cycle nodes, as those are getting introduced in France and Germany, while those countries already use those networks for other route types. Regards, Sander. Op 24-jan.-2016 22:33 schreef "Erik B" : > There is a problem with the 'network' tag for those Fietsostrades. > The change of the network tag of the HST-Route Leuven-Brussel by the > creator 3 years ago from 'network=rcn' to 'network=lcn' is justified "to > solve a color conflict with the cycle node network". This looks like > tagging for the renderer? > The Fietsostrade (Antwerpen-Mechelen' doesn't have a network tag yet, what > makes it less visible on maps. > Shouldn't they get tag 'network=ncn' because Fietsostrades can be > considered as a national network equal to RAVel? > It would make those Fietsostrades better visible. > > Erik > > Op 24-01-16 om 21:13 schreef Marc Gemis: > >> The Fiets-o-Strade between Antwerpen en Mechelen is a relation [1]. I >> don't know who created it. >> As far as I remember there are "maps" along the route. I think the >> blue sign [2] is indicating it. >> For the rest you will only see destination signs for cyclist [3] >> >> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1948657 >> [2] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/YW7xYSxMsa0173CATpNI9g/photo >> [3] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/npqKaMq-nByoT1qf4TYi4Q/photo >> >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jo wrote: >> >>> Between Leuven and Brussels they are marked in a way that is verifiable >>> on >>> the ground. >>> >>> We need a separate 'network' tag for them though, and it would be nice to >>> see they get rendered on the specialised bicycle maps. >>> >>> Jo >>> >>> 2016-01-24 15:31 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere : >>> Bicycle highways are more like bicycle routes than different highway types. They are a route specifically made for commuting, connecting residential area with some work center in a rather straight line. As such, I think those could get tagged as a cycle route with some specific sub tags (like a special network). The question is though: are they verifiable on the ground. Or is it just that European list naming them. It should only be tagged when you see something on the ground that you can relate to bicycle highways. Regards, Sander 2016-01-24 15:00 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas : > Nothing really special about them, highway=cycleway should be > appropriate. > > Glenn > > On 24-01-16 13:12, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle >> highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. >> >> I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If >> not, >> what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be >> uniform at world level ? >> >> Thanks for your answer, >> >> Matthieu (sur iMobile) >> >> Début du message transféré : >> >>> Une recherche, évidemment loin d’être exhaustive, m’a fourni une >>> première liste de ce que l’ECF (European Cyclists’ Federation) >>> dénomme >>> les */Fast Cycling Routes/** :* >>> • CH: Velobahn (Schaffhouse), TransAgglo (Fribourg), . >>> • DE: Radschnellwege (Ruhr, Berlin, Frankfurt, Heidelberg, München, >>> …) >>> • DK: Supercykelstier (Kobenhavn) >>> • FR: REV, Réseau Express Vélo, Autoroute à vélos (Toulouse), >>> Vélostras (Strasbourg), Grenoble, Paris, >>> • NL: SnelleFietsroutes, Snelbinder >>> Image en ligne >>> • SV: Supercykelväg (Malmoe) >>> • UK: Cycle Superhighways (London) >>> • US: California Cycleway(1896) >>> • VL: Fietsostrades (réalisations ; projets dans les 5 provinces) >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >> > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> ___ >>> Talk-be mailing list >>> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >>> >>> ___ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > _
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Grote Routepaden (GR)
I'll be somewhere around there for the Trager Wegen event, so maybe I can hop over. Let me know the details. Op 24-jan.-2016 21:03 schreef "Jo" : > Hi, > > On Thursday I'm meeting people from Toerisme Vlaanderen at 10h15 near to > Antwerpen-Centraal for an informal discussion. If somebody wants to join > us, or if there is something I should definitely mention to them, let me > know. > > Jo > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
