[OSM-talk-be] car sharing

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

Here's another example of a Mapcontrib website, this time for car sharing:

https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/27b3df-Car_sharing_locations

Hit the smiley-face to connect your OSM account, and you can complete
tagging or add POIs. I created two presets, for Cambio and Partago, so
everyone can easily standardise tagging. If someone is interested to
complete documentation for Belgian operators (including fun stuff like
wikidata tags etc), then I'm willing to add all of them as presets.
(unfortunately it's still impossible to share mapcontrib instance
management)

I really feel like we could do some cool stuff with Mapcontrib, to get many
more people to contribute random POIs. It's even possible to edit ways or
relations too, so you could make a mapcontrib instance to collect road
surface or speed information.

Think of our maxpseed 90>70 problem in Flanders.

These examples are made with cached (updated daily) overpass queries, but
you can also import other data into mapcontrib and use that for mapping.

I'll gladly give an intro to mapcontrib at the next Brussels and Antwerp
meetups.

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[OSM-talk-be] OSM updates by cyclists

[André Pirard]

Hi,

I'm presently helping cyclists to draw an overpass map used to request
their Administration Communale to add "oneway:bicycle=no"  signs.
Doing that, the discovery is (pardon me Julien Fastré) that oneway=yes
tags are horribly missing.
And hence, if cyclists care so much about oneway, we could ask them to
give us a hand and map them.
Unfortunately, those cyclists fear much to be less able to use their
hands than their legs. ;-)

My question is: what would be the simplest way/site with which those
people could add oneway=yes/-1, oneway:bicycle=no and cycleway=*.
Unfortunately, instead of allowing to uses OVERLAYs, my idea to which
nobody replied, OSM is mad of splitting, splitting and splitting, with
doesn't make the above just adding tags.  (They are even fond of making
unnecessary layer=* changes to needlessly split even more).

I've come across MapContrib but it's one of the so many pages landing
you on a graphic page without exactly saying what it does.  Looking
behind the scene, I started reading things like
> Thanks to the work of Florian Lainez on the new initiative called
> Trilib’ in the city of Paris, geolocated in OpenStreetMap and captured
> in Mapillary
But finally the definition
> MapContrib is a web application for thematic contributions to
> OpenStreetMap
Cyclism being a theme and contributions what we want to do, MapContrib
is exactly what we need, isn't it?

Or is it not and there is better?

Cheers

André.



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM updates by cyclists

[joost schouppe]

You could definitely do this with mapcontrib. In fact, one of the examples
I mentioned on this list, is with the idea to help people add surface tags
to roads:

https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/743004

In this example you can see how the presets work:

https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/27b3df-Car_sharing_locations

(you need to connect your osm account using the smiley face to be able to
edit)

So you could feasibly create an instance where you define presets for the
most common situations (i.e. one way for cars but not for bicycles, one way
for both; maybe even add some cyclepath definitions too). One technical
thing I don't know is if you can make mapcontrib aware of the direction of
the way.

As for the splitting: yes, that is necessary in our data model. I actually
quite like it that way. But it works best when the basics (i.e. maxspeed,
oneway) are mapped before the more detailed stuff. All the more reason to
start adding that info ASAP.

As for manuals: I found this to be quite useful

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapContrib#Building_a_theme

I actually only started to understand the possibilities while playing
around with it.

Ooh, and I would also like to suggest we create an OSMbe OSM-account, so we
can share management of these versions, as there is still no way to share
admin rights to a map.


2017-02-09 18:05 GMT+01:00 André Pirard :

> Hi,
>
> I'm presently helping cyclists to draw an overpass map used to request
> their Administration Communale to add "oneway:bicycle=no"  signs.
> Doing that, the discovery is (pardon me Julien Fastré) that oneway=yes
> tags are horribly missing.
> And hence, if cyclists care so much about oneway, we could ask them to
> give us a hand and map them.
> Unfortunately, those cyclists fear much to be less able to use their hands
> than their legs.  ;-)
>
> My question is: what would be the simplest way/site with which those
> people could add oneway=yes/-1, oneway:bicycle=no and cycleway=*.
> Unfortunately, instead of allowing to uses OVERLAYs, my idea to which
> nobody replied, OSM is mad of splitting, splitting and splitting, with
> doesn't make the above just adding tags.  (They are even fond of making
> unnecessary layer=* changes to needlessly split even more).
>
> I've come across MapContrib but it's one of the so many pages landing you
> on a graphic page without exactly saying what it does.  Looking behind the
> scene, I started reading things like
>
> Thanks to the work of Florian Lainez on the new initiative called Trilib’
> in the city of Paris, geolocated in OpenStreetMap and captured in Mapillary
>
> But finally the definition
>
> MapContrib is a web application for thematic contributions to OpenStreetMap
>
> Cyclism being a theme and contributions what we want to do, MapContrib is
> exactly what we need, isn't it?
>
> Or is it not and there is better?
>
> Cheers
>
> André.
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM updates by cyclists

[Marc Gemis]

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:58 PM, joost schouppe 
wrote:

> So you could feasibly create an instance where you define presets for the
> most common situations (i.e. one way for cars but not for bicycles, one way
> for both; maybe even add some cyclepath definitions too). One technical
> thing I don't know is if you can make mapcontrib aware of the direction of
> the way.


The oneway:bicycle=no (and oneway:moped_A:no) is no problem, but for
oneway=yes, you need to know the direction of the way in OSM. Can you see
the direction of the way in MapContrib ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM updates by cyclists

[joost schouppe]

>
> can you see the direction of the way in MapContrib ?
>

It is not built into Mapcontrib. But I gave it some thought, and I think it
can't be very hard to work around that:

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/54584/overpass-get-way-direction

(overpass query specialists, this one is for you :)

Biggest issue IMHO is that it will look confusing for the time being, as
Mapcontrib also automatically adds a centroid node to all queried ways.
That is an issue they are aware of though.
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