Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A legal question
Hi Eldad, It sounds like your meta data is derived from the OSM map data, in which case it must be licensed as CC-BY-SA. This doesn't mean you have to actively contribute it back to the community. You can restrict access or allow users to set up access controls on your website. But if someone who does have access to the work decides to copy it and make it publically available, you can't prevent them from doing so. The CC-BY-SA license gives anybody that freedom. Kind regards, Simon. On 16/04/2011, at 10:54 PM, Eldad Yamin elda...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I want to use OSM data/map in order to create a map based service. The users of my service will be able to create meta-data (POIs, trips and path) on the map and share it them with their friends. Please note, I'm not going to change the map data itself at all, only storing meta-data that was created by my users. Is it something that I must contribute back to the community or something that I can set as optional setting to my users? if the answer is yes, can I give my users the option to authorize who can view their data? Thanks, Eldad. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A legal question
Hi Eldad, The licence will not restrict you from deciding who can view what on your service. Your example is correct, you can show the data only to friend X, and this friend X, who has access to the data, may clone the data to somewhere else. Once it is somewhere else, then you will no longer have any way to restrict it. Basically, the licence does not restrict commercial use. Anyone who has access to the data is allowed to copy it, and is also allowed to charge for it. You can ask people to pay, but if they copy it without paying, then you have no remedy. The only way to stop competitors from cloning the data, is to not give them access to it, in the first place. So, your terms and conditions don't really make sense, for CC-BY-SA data. Regards, Simon. From: Eldad Yamin elda...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 17 April, 2011 12:46:47 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A legal question Thank you Simon and Mike! First, I must say that my data is not completely driven from OSM map data, it can be submitted without viewing the map. Second (According to what Simon said), I understood that any data that is derived from OSM map data must be published under CC-BY-SA license. Does it strict me from deciding who-can-view-what on my service? For example, a user can decide that only his friend X can view his submitted data, therefore only friend X can view and clone the data to somewhere else (under CC-BY-SA). Third, I want to stop competitors from cloning data that was submitted by my users. According to the question: Can I charge for distributing OSM data or data derived from OSM data?: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#What_do_you_mean_by_.22Attribution.22.3F Does it mean that if a competitor want to use my service (pull data) - I can explicitly ask him to pay? For example, in the terms and condition on my website, I can say the data is completely free under the CC-BY-SA license, if you wish to copy data and publish it for commercial use, you will need to pay for it and attach our TC to it - please contact us at supp...@x.com for more details Thanks again, Eldad. On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Hi Eldad, This link http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License may also help with general information. We are evolving it to help folks such as yourself, so if there is anything unclear or confusing, please do no hesitate to email me. Mike On 16/04/2011 15:55, Simon Biber wrote: Hi Eldad, It sounds like your meta data is derived from the OSM map data, in which case it must be licensed as CC-BY-SA. This doesn't mean you have to actively contribute it back to the community. You can restrict access or allow users to set up access controls on your website. But if someone who does have access to the work decides to copy it and make it publically available, you can't prevent them from doing so. The CC-BY-SA license gives anybody that freedom. Kind regards, Simon. On 16/04/2011, at 10:54 PM, Eldad Yamin elda...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I want to use OSM data/map in order to create a map based service. The users of my service will be able to create meta-data (POIs, trips and path) on the map and share it them with their friends. Please note, I'm not going to change the map data itself at all, only storing meta-data that was created by my users. Is it something that I must contribute back to the community or something that I can set as optional setting to my users? if the answer is yes, can I give my users the option to authorize who can view their data? Thanks, Eldad. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [talk-au] Bulk loading all the Australian Statistical Geography Standard into the OSM - a query from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Marcus Blake marcus.bl...@abs.gov.au wrote Wed, 23 February, 2011 11:31:50: From the ABS point of view the principle reason for doing this is that an the OSM database would hold a copy of the official version of the boundaries and that this point of truth would be available for all OSM users and downstream distributors. It would therefore become one of the channels by which the ABS distributes the ASGS boundaries and associated coding structures Hi Marcus, You may be misunderstanding how OSM works. OSM doesn't hold official, unchanging versions of things. Things get modified all the time. The ABS suburb boundaries have been imported into OSM previously. They were used as a basis for identification of the path of roads and rivers which often tend to run along the boundaries, and in many places were split and joined with those roads and rivers such that subsequent improvements to the roads and rivers have modified the position of the ABS boundaries. This makes it difficult to replace the boundaries in OSM with updated data from ABS. OSM does not have layers. All the objects are joined together according to the real world topology (e.g. roads with paths and railways at level crossings). All of OSM is released under CC-BY-SA which is an attribution license compatible with CC-BY. The attribution includes a link to a list of data providers and contributors on www.openstreetmap.org in which ABS is listed. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors OSM has a web API and a set of community built tools which may be used to handle imports (or write your own tools). However, a lot of care needs to go into identifying and improving the existing data, without either duplicating existing boundary data or removing people's work in edits they have made to features that may be joined to the boundaries. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: But there is no restriction to do with any work that is not protected by license or PD. In that sense any license is a restriction. Not true, any copyrightable work that is not licensed or PD is assumed to be all rights reserved, and nobody may copy it or derive works based on it, except through legislated fair use rights. The effect of any license is to reduce that restriction, to grant some additional rights. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] license change map
Fabian Schmidt fschm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: So far 3700 mappers agreed to the new license. Out of 68 million ways 46% are created and edited only by people who did accept the ODBL. 42% were not edited by a proponent of ODBL, the remaining 12% of the ways have a mixed history. You will find a map of the ways colored according to their license (red = CCBYSA, green = ODBL, yellow = partly ODBL) at http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ Thanks Fabian, this is a useful tool for showing just how much data would be removed under a strict interpretation of the process. Almost all roads in the cities I checked was either yellow or red and so would be impacted. Although the situation does look dire for Australian cities, this is not primarily a reflection of the ODBL! It's largely because of the effect of the current Contributor Terms that makes only original works or public domain works compatible. I suspect this will start looking better for Australian cities after improved terms like the draft v1.2 of Contributor Terms are adopted, and we have certainty that OSM will keep the data derived from the best aerial photographs, and that mappers can continue using them as a source. -- Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] license change map
Fabian Schmidt fschm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de wrote: So far 3700 mappers agreed to the new license. Out of 68 million ways 46% are created and edited only by people who did accept the ODBL. 42% were not edited by a proponent of ODBL, the remaining 12% of the ways have a mixed history. You will find a map of the ways colored according to their license (red = CCBYSA, green = ODBL, yellow = partly ODBL) at http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/ Thanks Fabian, this is a useful tool for showing just how much data would be removed under a strict interpretation of the process. Almost all roads in the cities I checked was either yellow or red and so would be impacted. Although the situation does look dire for Australian cities, this is not primarily a reflection of the ODBL! It's largely because of the effect of the current Contributor Terms that makes only original works or public domain works compatible. I suspect this will start looking better for Australian cities after improved terms like the draft v1.2 of Contributor Terms are adopted, and we have certainty that OSM will keep the data derived from the best aerial photographs, and that mappers can continue using them as a source. -- Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Planet database size?
On Tue, 19 October, 2010 2:45:08 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I wasn't after just straight statistics. I was wanting to do some analysis of bot activity and such so I need information on users, changesets and map objects. So by the resounding silence on this list I'm guessing most planet imports are done into a postgis database for rendering so importing an apidb may be a rare event. It is about to hit 500 GB... The good news is ext4's online resizing feature works as advertised! Hi Toby, Going by the statistics here, the main OSM postgresql database is now over 1.4 TB. Though, due to continued deletion and insertion, there could be some wasted space inside. A planet import should be smaller, by how much I don't know. http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/smaug.openstreetmap/postgres_size_openstreetmap.html Hope you have enough space to continue resizing! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] NearMap
On Wed, 15 September, 2010 11:28:29 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Just to clarify, we have not concluded discussions with NearMap and discussion is still positive. The removal of the NearMap option in Potlatch was prompted a few weeks by back, but was only actioned today. Who was it prompted by? Did NearMap themselves request it? Why is the first we've heard of such a block, after it has been implemented? I don't see why should NearMap be blocked for users who have not accepted the new contributor terms. Is there some way to work with a local copy of Potlatch without such a restriction? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Can OSM sources be public domain CC-0(zero)?
On Thu, 2 September, 2010 11:22:54 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, there's nothing in the Google Terms of Service which says you may not make use of the facts you learn by using this website. That'd just be silly. Not to mention unconscionable, and therefore unenforcible. Google does say that certain information displayed is proprietary and may not be provided to others. any unauthorized copying or reproduction of the content in any form, or by any means, is not permitted You may not attempt to reverse engineer any output that would allow the recreation of any digital mapping data, including but not limited to any form of geocodes. you may not distribute, sell, rent, sublicense, or lease such information, in whole or in part to any third party; and you will not make such information available in whole or in part to any other user in any networked or time-sharing environment, or transfer the information in whole or in part to any computer other than the PC used to access this information Source: http://www.google.com/intl/en-us/help/legalnotices_maps.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3
On Sun, 22 August, 2010 11:55:27 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: As I'm interested in keeping my data within OSM and find a common ground with rest of you, I'm delighted to see that requests to specify 'free and open license' in CT section 3 has been taken into account[1]. Huge thanks and sorry for any emotional storm it have caused. [1] http://www.abalakov.com/?p=56 Now this has been changed again, seemingly to dilute the given assurance that the Contributor Terms will be amended to make clear that this refers to an attribution and share-alike license. My reading of the changes means it now only says that some explanation will be made as to whether this refers to an attribution and/or share-alike license. I and many others need a firm commitment to ensure contributions continue to be protected by attribution and share-alike in the future. Without that, if this license change goes ahead, my survey work over the past year, and that of many others, seems likely to be useless for OSM. This is both for a philosophical reason (I don't agree with the open-ended contributor terms) and for a practical reason (I have used aerial photography to confirm some positions, under an agreement that the resulting work could only be released under CC-BY-SA). I want to contribute my mapping work to a community who will respect my wishes that the work remain free. This includes that no-one should be allowed to make a derived work and not allow others to have the same freedom over the derived work. This is the essence of what the FSF calls copyleft, and what CC calls share-alike. It's also what I assumed was one of the core beliefs of the OSM community, since the license at the time I signed up was explicitly a share-alike license, CC-BY-SA. For that philosophical reason, I also agree with the stance of NearMap, which has publically said it cannot accept the current contributor terms, because they could allow derived work to be released under a non-share-alike licence without the agreement of the original authors. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?
On Mon, 16 August, 2010 9:36:50 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: There's still such a bug: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2700 This often happens to me in Potlatch. Here's my usual use case. An intersection of two streets needs to be converted to a roundabout. 1. Split each street at the intersection. 2. For each of the 4 ways, select the way and the intersection, hit backspace and reposition the end of the way where it should intersect the roundabout, forming a diamond. 3. Create a new way for the roundabout, incorporating each of the 4 ends of the ways. 4. Tag the roundabout appropriately (e.g. junction=roundabout, highway=residential, source=nearmap, maxspeed=50) 5. Save and quit Potlatch. I then come back some time later and find that there is an empty node in the place where the intersection originally was. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Voluntary re-licensing begins
On 13/08/2010, at 8:17, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Firstly, as you say sometime in the past. So Yahoo gave permission when the project has a CC-BY-SA licence. The contributor terms allow the switching of the licence to a non-CC-BY-SA licence. So how can I possibly say that on the basis of an agreement made some time ago Yahoo now agree to contributors agreeing to the CT terms. Yahoo disclaimed copyright in information that is derived from their aerial photography. So, this permission is not limited to any particular license. Secondly, the real point I was making was that the CT terms state ... You represent and warrant that You have explicit permission from the rights holder to submit the Contents and grant the license below And I simply do not have explicit permission. I don't have explicit permission because: a) The permission was not made to me, but to a more general body of people; so the permission I have is IMPLICIT. That is not the correct meaning of explicit. Explicit means expressed, by means of a statement, whether verbally or in writing. As opposed to implicit, which means assumed in the absence of a statement. If the rights holder makes a statement that permission is granted to any person, then it _is_ explicit permission for you, since you are a member of the set any person. Explicit does not mean specific. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Electoral boundaries...
James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: Each state is done once every seven years, that doesn't seem overly frequent to me. In my experience electoral redistributions happen after every election (4 years apart). A little research shows that in my state, South Australia, members of the House of Assembly face re-election approximately every four years, and that electoral boundaries are adjusted after each election. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Electoral_Districts A little more research and it seems that in your state, Western Australia, the members of the Legislative Assembly are elected for four-year terms, and changes to electoral boundaries happen after every state general election in the Legislative Assembly. Source: http://www.boundarieswa.com/upload/Where%20will%20you%20be%20in%202009_v4.pdf Is that not right? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] tagging the source of edits
Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Where a street name is added or corrected via our site, our current approach is to add or modify the source tag to be nearmap, but yesterday I was (coincidentally) looking at whether we should be appending to any existing source so that we don't inadvertently remove attribution. The wiki page is, at best, unclear on this subject. The established meaning of setting source to nearmap is that the position of the object was traced from NearMap PhotoMaps. I don't think it's right to set source to nearmap when a user on your website adds a name to a street, since that information cannot be gained from PhotoMaps. I would encourage you to allow the user to specify the source of the name for each street they correct or add names to. These should be stored in the tag source:name. Choices could be survey (checked the sign), knowledge (from memory), etc. If that's not feasible, I hope you use some other technique to make it very clear to users that they must not copy street names from a non-free map. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] tagging the source of edits
If there's a way tagged: highway=residential name=Leigh Street source=survey And the positioning is obviously sub-standard (such as a single node for a 90 degree turn, where the street actually curves with a radius of 10 to 20 metres), I would add, say, 4 more nodes to approximate the curve in the road, and change the tagging on the way to: highway=residential name=Leigh Street source:name=survey source=nearmap ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wineries
Hi Ben, Looks like there are two camps on this. One says grape-growing is a type of agriculture so we should reuse existing tags for farms and their crops: landuse=farm, crop=grapes, produce=wine The other says wineries are sufficiently different that they should get their own tag: landuse=vineyard Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vineyard Regards Simon From: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, 22 July, 2010 1:09:19 PM Subject: [talk-au] Wineries How do you tag a winery? I tried tourism=winery but that doesn't render. I guess shop=alcohol would render, but that's not really the correct tag. - Ben Sent from my HTC ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license
Ulf Möller o...@ulfm.de wrote: The LWG has stated that specific contributor terms will be considered on a case by case basis for external data sources. If NearMap are happy with the ODbL but not with the Contributor Terms then maybe that should be done here. So can these specific contributor terms be available for anyone who wants to contribute in Australia? At a guess, perhaps 90% of active mappers in Australia have used NearMap as one of their sources and are therefore unable to agree to the current contributor terms. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Another day, another bridge...
ed...@billiau.net ed...@billiau.net wrote: that bridge seems to have a bike track on the eastern side which descends into the water The Wikipedia article on Ted Smout Memorial Bridge says The new bridge features ... A fishing platform near the Pine River channel. The platform measures 10 m by 50 m. Taking a closer look, I can see the track descends onto an area which is mapped as: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/59339147 * bridge: yes * layer: 1 * man_made: pier What about adding to those tags * leisure: pitch * sport: fishing * name: Fishing Platform Regards, Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Another day, another bridge...
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 July 2010 10:05, Simon Biber simonbi...@yahoo.com.au wrote: What about adding to those tags * leisure: pitch Didn't seem big enough to play football or cricket... I don't think size is the deciding factor... pitch is used in general as an area for a sport (including individual sports like sport=skateboard). In this case it seems that most people have been using leisure=fishing instead of sport=fishing so I guess we should go with the established usage. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Another day, another bridge...
John Henderson snow...@gmx.com Is the alternative to make (almost) the entire coastline a fishing pitch? Only where there are designated fishing areas. And by that I mean something that's visible on the ground, like a place where you can stand and fish. Not just open water which is covered by some law or regulation. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM, eat your heart out... :)
Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: It'd be better like this: http://hello.eboy.com/eboy/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/FTN_CommunicationCity_06t.png eDuShi (meaning eCity) has made cool real isometric 3D maps of many cities in China. The style is somewhere in between cartoon and reality, but obviously much cleaner than the cities are in real life. The buildings look similar to their counterparts in real life. Most of the maps are in Chinese, but there is an example of Hong Kong in English here: http://hongkong.edushi.com/?l=en I wonder how much of it is clever software, and how much is cheap labour. Regards, Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
zve...@textual.ru zve...@textual.ru wrote: Those names are not rendered, obviously, because most streets consist of several ways, due to routing and public transport reasons. Hmm, what routing reasons? The only cases where streets need to be split into multiple ways, in my experience, is where the tagging changes or a junction=roundabout intervenes. However, in your example area, many of the streets are divided into what seems like an unnecessarily large number of ways. If the tagging doesn't change between adjacent ways, then shouldn't the ways be merged into a single way? For example, on Малый проспект В.О. (Maliy Avenue of V.I.) the following consecutive ways all have exactly the same tags: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31374333 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31395443 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29043983 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31387923 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31400577 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/36738855 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31893349 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/60948948 Can you or someone else explain why the street was mapped using so many ways? The next way along the same street, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35497072 has the tag railway:tram added so it's correct to be split at the node, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/308322656 Regards, Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
I just wrote simonbi...@yahoo.com.au: However, in your example area, many of the streets are divided into what seems like an unnecessarily large number of ways. If the tagging doesn't change between adjacent ways, then shouldn't the ways be merged into a single way? Sorry, please disregard that, I see now that the relation memberships are different. Nobody bothered to map bus routes in my area of the planet yet! I agree with the OP, would be nice to see the rendering improved for this case. Regards, Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] tagging giveway signs
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 June 2010 09:55, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: No idea, but FWIW wouldn't highway=give_way be more consistent with other OSM tags? i.e. separating words with an underscore... There was only 13 of those, so it doesn't seem like many people map them, unless people in other countries call them something else... Yes, in some countries they are called yield signs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_sign According to http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/*%5Bhighway=yield%5D http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/*%5Bhighway=giveway%5D http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/*%5Bhighway=give_way%5D the OSM database contains 98 instances of highway=yield (9 distinct users) 25 instances of highway=giveway (2 distinct users) 13 instances of highway=give_way (3 distinct users) My personal preference would have been to use give_way, since it follows the tradition of using British English as the source of tag names, but the majority of mappers so far have chosen yield. Regards, Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: They seem to be called horse stiles in NZ, or maybe it was a brit taking photos in NZ... I found the website of an Australian business, Town Country Maintenance Fencing, based in northern Adelaide. There's a clear picture and a description on this gallery page: http://townandcountryfences.com.au/index.php?mact=Album,mec8c1,default,1mec8c1albumid=5mec8c1returnid=104page=104 Right-hand column, 4th picture down, is described as Horse Stile for horse trails to prevent motorbikes being able to access horse trails. Direct link to picture: http://townandcountryfences.com.au/uploads/images/21032009008.jpg Regards, Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Giving everything a unique ID
Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: If I'm mapping I try and keep nodes intact and edit the tagging to preserve the ID and history, but there are cases where this can't happen. Another example where ID and history are lost is when we change items from single nodes to areas, as we get higher resolution photo maps (like NearMap) or more accurate GPS / inertial positioning devices. Recently I have been deleting nodes and recreating them as areas for playgrounds, tennis courts, swimming pools, etc. Apart from the loss of ID and history, this also affects clients such as Mapzen POI Collector. Once a point of interest is no longer a single node, Mapzen does not consider it as a point of interest or allow it to be edited. It even disappears from the map entirely for several weeks, until Mapzen's base layer is re-rendered to show the area. Does anyone have a good solution for this? Regards Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
David wrote: In summary, it is 21km long and is one-way for 10.5hrs, dual-way for 1.5hr, then one-way in the opposite direction for 10.5hrs and dual-way again for 1.5hr. Then just for fun, on weekends, the day/night pattern is reversed. David, as a local resident I can tell you the Southern Expressway is never dual-way. In between the one-way periods, it's closed for changeover (access=no), while operators review video cameras covering the whole length to ensure no vehicles remain on the road. Also, it's not just weekends but also public holidays which use the reversed pattern. John wrote: Sorry, forgot about weekends: oneway:forward=Mon-Fri 00:00-10:30; Sat-Sun 12:00-22:30 oneway:reverse=Mon-Fri 12:00-22:30; Sat-Sun 00:00-10:30 John, the start time is 2am, not midnight. Perhaps we can use: oneway:forward=Mon-Fri 02:00-12:30; Sat-Sun+Hol 14:00-00:30 oneway:reverse=Mon-Fri 14:00-00:30; Sat-Sun+Hol 02:00-12:30 access:no=12:30-14:00; 00:30-02:00 See here for more information: http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/transport_network/traffic_ops/southern_express.asp Regards, Simon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] General Observations.
From: Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com Have a look at Auckland NZ for some really excellent landuse mapping. Could list members also please take a look at my local area (Alberton, Rosewater, Pennington SA) where I'm nearly finished putting in all the footpaths and land use. Please do zoom in and let me know if I'm not tagging things right. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.85789lon=138.52471zoom=16layers=B000FTF Regards, Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open
From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Cool, did you notice the first link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_hierarchy That kind of settles it, really. Note that when the Wikipedia article was first created, the lowest-level settlement was called Lone Farmhouse. It was changed to Isolated dwelling on 14 September, 2006. See the comparison of the contents before and after the change that introduced the term Isolated dwelling here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_settlementdiff=75679894oldid=74320556 Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com 1) They're clearly mini roundabouts. I go straight over them on my bike. You're not supposed to go over a roundabout, unless your vehicle's lack of turning ability necessitates it! :-) 2) The roads you've mapped out don't even follow the aerial photos - they cut across people's front lawns. The roads in that area look OK to me with reference to NearMap photos. 3) Why an octagon shape? Ugh. At least use the tidy function in JOSM or Potlatch to make them circles. I mostly use octagons to map roundabouts in my local area too. The OSM Editing Standards and Conventions document says you should add enough points to make each curve look like a curve. On the other hand, the documentation for junction=roundabout suggests A standard size roundabout with up to four exits can be drawn simply using four nodes in a diamond shape. As the editing conventions say, curves made of lines always look like a series of lines when zoomed in past a certain point. The degree to which this is an issue depends on the zoom level. I particularly dislike the way that a diamond shape renders on (the current maximum) zoom 18 - it looks nothing like a circle. However an octagon looks quite close to a circle. If we had renderers that went to zoom 19 then I would perhaps go beyond the octagon and use a dodecagon (12 sides). Regards Simon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Marsh shading in Osmarender
It seems the shading for marsh / wetland is stuffed up in north-western Adelaide (Rosewater, Gillman, Wingfield, Pennington, Athol Park), with large areas marked as marsh that shouldn't be. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.8384lon=138.5531zoom=14layers=0B00FTF Is this a bug with Osmarender or a problem with the surrounding tagging? It all looks fine in Mapnik. Regards Simon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A problem area (maybe) for the someone in Canberra
From: John Henderson snow...@gmx.com I live in Canberra and noticed the same thing some time ago. I haven't found an excuse yet to visit the specific area. But the history seems to indicate that it could be legit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/16165199/history GPS trace of someone severely lost in the forest :-) Don't see how it could possibly be a cycleway track as tagged. Perhaps it's best to just delete it. There are some cuttings which could be traced from NearMap though. Regards Simon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] South Australia NPWSA Parks
Hi Markus Please don't use sources without checking their license conditions first. The license that seems to apply is this one: http://www.naturemaps.sa.gov.au/DataDownloadLicenceAgreement.pdf Which states: The Licensee is not permitted to copy or reproduce the Datasets in any form for the purposes of distribution (whether for remuneration or otherwise), sale, hire, lease or licence or otherwise commercialise the Dataset. This would mean you can't use this data in OpenStreetMap. Regards, Simon. From: Mark marku...@bigpond.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 14 March, 2010 10:13:37 PM Subject: [talk-au] South Australia NPWSA Parks Hello, I have been adding South Australia NPWSA boundaries for last few weeks. I obtained the shape file from www.naturemaps.sa.gov.au. It has been a slow process as I am new to this. Found a great program to read the shape files called GPS TrackMaker as I couldn’t seem to find anywhere to load them into JOSM direct. I am wondering if anyone has any comments on what I am doing. Should I be adding any more detail? I was adding an admin_level to them but was informed it isn’t needed so I am removing it. Regards, Markus. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
