Re: [OSM-talk-be] Chantiers werken in Bxl
The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:construction does not mention it's only for new roads. It does mention this line (that I missed before): In case of repaired roads or roads under construction, which opening is > expected in the nearest future, tags *opening_date* and *check_date*should be > used. > *opening_date* - date, when opening is expected; *check_date* - date, > when information about expected opening date and about fact of closing road > is actual. > > Format: , v="-MM-DD"/> > So it does seem to count for "repaired roads", and we'd better use the existing schema for noting the date. I also don't see why we should use other tags for repaired roads than for new roads. @Ben, I do agree that OSM should only be used for "geographically stable" information, but the question is, when would you call it "geographically stable"? Roadworks that take two months could be called stable by some. When you add a date, that date even provides stable information about the works. Btw, a lot of roadworks change important parts of the highway, and therefore, the highway will need to be remapped (or retagged) after the works anyway. Roadworks typically introduce traffic islands, a change in the number of lanes, a change of the maxspeed ... So changes at the end of the works should happen anyway. 2012/6/20 Gerard Vanderveken > ** > > Intended use of highway=construction is when a new road is constructed on a > place where no road was before. > > Tagging like this, without changing the existing tags > highway=primary > ref=R32 > construction=minor > constriction:start=2012-08-01 > construction:end=2012-09-30 > has the advantage that construction tags can be removed by a script, > checking the end date. > But, as Ben said, do not map road works, because mosttimes people forget > to change at the end of the works. > > Regards, > Gerard. > > > Ben Laenen wrote: > > General consensus is to not tag roads for roadworks (like other temporary > structures). Except in the cases where they will take a lot of time and where > someone will follow up closely so everything will be updated soon enough in > OSM. > > Everything else should stay in a database outside of OSM, just like one would > do traffic information. > > So, for example a road closed for 2 months: not enough for tagging it > highway=construction. > > Greetings > Ben > > > On Wednesday 20 June 2012 10:07:06 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > > > hello the list, > > Wouldnt it be interesting to integrate the werken / chantiers in OSM > > Seehttp://www.bruxellesmobilite.irisnet.be/news/les-grands-chantiers-de-lete/ > > I bet it would help make OSM the most online routing map for Brussels. > > Ideas, opinions, faisability ? > > The data are online, mostly in an awkrard pdf ! > > Regards, > > Nicolas > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing > listTalk-be@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Chantiers werken in Bxl
Intended use of highway=construction is when a new road is constructed on a place where no road was before. Tagging like this, without changing the existing tags highway=primary ref=R32 construction=minor constriction:start=2012-08-01 construction:end=2012-09-30 has the advantage that construction tags can be removed by a script, checking the end date. But, as Ben said, do not map road works, because mosttimes people forget to change at the end of the works. Regards, Gerard. Ben Laenen wrote: General consensus is to not tag roads for roadworks (like other temporary structures). Except in the cases where they will take a lot of time and where someone will follow up closely so everything will be updated soon enough in OSM. Everything else should stay in a database outside of OSM, just like one would do traffic information. So, for example a road closed for 2 months: not enough for tagging it highway=construction. Greetings Ben On Wednesday 20 June 2012 10:07:06 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: hello the list, Wouldnt it be interesting to integrate the werken / chantiers in OSM See http://www.bruxellesmobilite.irisnet.be/news/les-grands-chantiers-de-lete/ I bet it would help make OSM the most online routing map for Brussels. Ideas, opinions, faisability ? The data are online, mostly in an awkrard pdf ! Regards, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Chantiers werken in Bxl
General consensus is to not tag roads for roadworks (like other temporary structures). Except in the cases where they will take a lot of time and where someone will follow up closely so everything will be updated soon enough in OSM. Everything else should stay in a database outside of OSM, just like one would do traffic information. So, for example a road closed for 2 months: not enough for tagging it highway=construction. Greetings Ben On Wednesday 20 June 2012 10:07:06 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > hello the list, > > Wouldnt it be interesting to integrate the werken / chantiers in OSM > > See > http://www.bruxellesmobilite.irisnet.be/news/les-grands-chantiers-de-lete/ > > I bet it would help make OSM the most online routing map for Brussels. > > Ideas, opinions, faisability ? > > The data are online, mostly in an awkrard pdf ! > > Regards, > > Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Chantiers werken in Bxl
Thanks Sander, More info can certainly be obtained by about the original data contacting Camille Thiry , communication manager of AED in Brussels. I once contacted him/her (Camille can be female as well as male), but since then, only get a word document with the works. AED is open to discussion though I think; Regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Chantiers werken in Bxl
It is certainly a good idea, but we should take several use cases into account (next to the normal rendering). Some people like to dowload the data to their device and can't update it every week or even every month. So there should be a tagging schema that denotes when the works start and when they end. Then it's up to the developers of the devices and the apps to implement this. OSM can't do anything more. There's also a difference when the road is closed, or when there's just one lane closed. I propose the following: Sy you start from a road with the tags highway=primary ref=R32 and there will be one lane closed, from 1 Aug to 30 Sept, the tagging could be highway=primary ref=R32 construction=minor constriction:start=2012-08-01 construction:stop=2012-09-30 After the roadworks are done, all construction tags can be removed. When the entire road will be closed from 1 Jul to 31 Aug, the following schema could be used: highway=construction construction=primary ref=R32 construction:start=2012-07-01 construction:stop=2012-08-31 Off course, when the roadworks are done, the tags still have to be edited manually and reverted to the original state as quick as possible. When roadworks take longer than expected (as usual), the construction:stop tag can just be edited. This will work well enough on most tools without modification. When a tool doesn't care about constructions, the highway=construction will be an unknown type, it won't be used for routing and it won't be rendered. When the road is still open, the type will still be known, and the road will still be used. If the tool cares about the construction tag as it's implemented now, but doesn't read the dates, it will also work well enough, just as the case above. This is only a proposal. I would love to bring the date notations closer to the standard notation used in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours, but it looks pretty difficult to enter years in that notation. Also, what is "off" and what is "on" with road works? This is quite ambiguous. All comments are welcome. Regards, Sander 2012/6/20 Nicolas Pettiaux > hello the list, > > Wouldnt it be interesting to integrate the werken / chantiers in OSM > > See > http://www.bruxellesmobilite.irisnet.be/news/les-grands-chantiers-de-lete/ > > I bet it would help make OSM the most online routing map for Brussels. > > Ideas, opinions, faisability ? > > The data are online, mostly in an awkrard pdf ! > > Regards, > > Nicolas > > -- > Nicolas Pettiaux > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Chantiers werken in Bxl
hello the list, Wouldnt it be interesting to integrate the werken / chantiers in OSM See http://www.bruxellesmobilite.irisnet.be/news/les-grands-chantiers-de-lete/ I bet it would help make OSM the most online routing map for Brussels. Ideas, opinions, faisability ? The data are online, mostly in an awkrard pdf ! Regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
