Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
On Friday 27 September 2013 05:49:26 Marc Gemis wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: http://gisgeoloket.provant.be/SilverlightViewer_1_9/Viewer.html?Viewer=Atl asBuurtwegen Thanks for the link Kurt. Sorry that I was too lazy to look it up myself. I must be crazy: installing a 101 Mb file of some weird old MS technology on my machine to view some old maps :-) And you're lucky, try viewing the map in Linux... Moonlight which was a plugin for Silverlight has been dead for years. The old viewer wasn't exactly an optimal solution either without Internet Explorer, but at least it worked somewhat... Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 27 September 2013 05:49:26 Marc Gemis wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: http://gisgeoloket.provant.be/SilverlightViewer_1_9/Viewer.html?Viewer=Atl asBuurtwegen Thanks for the link Kurt. Sorry that I was too lazy to look it up myself. I must be crazy: installing a 101 Mb file of some weird old MS technology on my machine to view some old maps :-) And you're lucky, try viewing the map in Linux... Moonlight which was a plugin for Silverlight has been dead for years. The old viewer wasn't exactly an optimal solution either without Internet Explorer, but at least it worked somewhat... Ben IE for Mac ? what's that ? :-) ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
The reason that they are not in crab is simple: officially they don't exist anymore.You won't find any legal reference to them. Nowadays, two definitions are common: either following the boundaries of the communities as they where before the fusion in the seventies, or following the boundaries of the NIS/INS-codes ( http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIS-code) as they are used by Statbel. Difference between both definitions will be minimal. For our purpose, the first definition is the most practical since you can find it on old (out of copyright) maps. And I would be impressed if someone would get a dataset from Statbel with an open license or even without paying. Marc, every Flemish province has a website where you can find the Atlas der Buurtwegen/des Chemins Vicinaux. For East-Flanders (where I live) this is www.gisoost.be but the other provinces have something similar. A quick search will get you there. The reason for the organization by province is that there exists two physical copies for every community. One at the community and one at the province. Because after being in use for 170 years, their condition is not exactly optimal, every province decided to digitize the atlas to reduce the number of times that the physical copies need to be consulted. wouter -- Den som ikke tror på seg selv kommer ingen vei. -Thor Heyerdahl On 25 Sep 2013 19:01, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. I see two solutions a) the administrative border is taken from some source b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the generieke viewer of AGIV they do not care about deelgemeentes. Is this data available in the database ? Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
On 2013-09-25 19:01, Marc Gemis wrote: This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. Marc, I'm from this area, I know it well. Muizen's borders aren't too far away from that location. The centre is indeed a few km off. Zoom out a little, move some to the right you'll see the Planckendael domain, which is muizen for sure. You also see the muizenstraat below (although that's right on the mechelen/hofstade border, that street is hofstade , I'm pretty sure, I surveyed that area by car long time ago to test GPS units), it might be partially Mechelen (not sure) that street (by heart). But I'm also pretty sure that everthing south of 'Leuvense vaart' is definitely not muizen. (but parts of it might be mechelen, depending on where you stand) Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 05:31:36AM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:01:00PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. I see two solutions a) the administrative border is taken from some source b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the generieke viewer of AGIV they do not care about deelgemeentes. Is this data available in the database ? Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? I've used old maps to get that information. For instance the Atlas de Buurtwegen and the Popp maps ussually have enough information to be able to map it. Kurt where can I find these ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Mapping_resources says that for Antwerpen you need: http://www.provant.be/bestuur/grondgebied/gis/atlas_buurtwegen/Raadplegen.jsp But that doesn't seem to exist anymore, it seems to have moved to: http://gisgeoloket.provant.be/SilverlightViewer_1_9/Viewer.html?Viewer=AtlasBuurtwegen It seems to required silverlight. I don't know if they provide WMS or not, but I have to guess not. AGIV used have Popp via WMS, but it doesn't seem to exist anymore. Kurt ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: http://gisgeoloket.provant.be/SilverlightViewer_1_9/Viewer.html?Viewer=AtlasBuurtwegen Thanks for the link Kurt. Sorry that I was too lazy to look it up myself. I must be crazy: installing a 101 Mb file of some weird old MS technology on my machine to view some old maps :-) regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. I see two solutions a) the administrative border is taken from some source b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the generieke viewer of AGIV they do not care about deelgemeentes. Is this data available in the database ? Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
This info is not in de CRAB database. I have had problems with this before but the information just isn't there. Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. I see two solutions a) the administrative border is taken from some source b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the generieke viewer of AGIV they do not care about deelgemeentes. Is this data available in the database ? Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:01:00PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. I see two solutions a) the administrative border is taken from some source b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the generieke viewer of AGIV they do not care about deelgemeentes. Is this data available in the database ? Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? I've used old maps to get that information. For instance the Atlas de Buurtwegen and the Popp maps ussually have enough information to be able to map it. Kurt ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Deelgemeentes en AGIV/CRAB
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:01:00PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: This is triggered by the note on OSM http://osm.org/go/0EpKQJ4xd- It requests that Muizen (part of Mechelen) is indicated. Muizen is already on the map, a few kilometers to the east. I see two solutions a) the administrative border is taken from some source b) each individual street gets an is_in or associatedStreet relation I typically do b, but as far as I can see in the generieke viewer of AGIV they do not care about deelgemeentes. Is this data available in the database ? Or should we just ignore the Deelgemeentes for our addresses ? I've used old maps to get that information. For instance the Atlas de Buurtwegen and the Popp maps ussually have enough information to be able to map it. Kurt where can I find these ? m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
