Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Julien Fastré]

Hi,

I had contact with the people responsible for the WMS servers. They
closed old servers and may started new ones in December, migrating to
the last version of ArcGis.

All the information is now available from the geoportail
(http://geoportail.wallonie.be).

The WMS are available in EPSG:4326, 3857 and 900913 or will be in the
future.

For instance : To add the 2013's orthophoto in JOSM :

Edit > preferences >WMS/TMS
click " +WMS", paste this url :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/IMAGERIE/ORTHO_2012_2013/MapServer/WMSServer?
click "Obtenir les calques"
Select "Orthos"
add a better name (below, because in a few months the ortho of 2014 will
be available)

and OK...

They will be available through the "imagery" menu.

DO NOT COPY INFORMATIONS FROM THOSE ORTHOPHOTOS: WE ARE NOT ALLOWED
(yet) TO DO THIS 

This works also for other URL (ie: Natura 2000 :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/FAUNE_FLORE/NATURA_2000/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS)

But the PICC seems to be down those days...

Julien

Le 05/03/14 12:28, André Pirard a écrit :
> On 2014-01-17 13:22, Julien Fastré wrote :
>>
>> Le 16/01/14 21:12, André Pirard a écrit :
>>> On 2014-01-16 17:44, Julien Fastré wrote :
 Hi,

 I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
 geography in Wallonia.

 They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
 stratégique de la géomatique".

 They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
 should be an agreement to talk with him.

 If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
 have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

 Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
 cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?
>>>
>>> Don't forget that, in addition to legality, we technically need WMS
>>> + EPSG 4326,3857,900913, 
>>> These EPSGs were missing from the [PICC] cartopro2 WMS server that
>>> they have removed.
>>> You told us that the SPW said that they would add the EPSGs by the
>>> end of the year.
>>> I've just read that the new Arcgis REST system they use serves all
>>> EPSGs already.
>>> And I could verify that (with a bit of surprise).
>>> But now, where is the WMS?   It sounds like just an Arcgis  wms=yes 
>>> configuration tag to add :-)
>>> Could that be recalled "to-morrow"?  Or the day after?
>>> I'd be most happy to stop recalling that myself after 5 years ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> André.
>>>
>>>
>> André,
>>
>> I think EPSG 4326 and 3857 are now available on all webservices,
>> since beginning of December :
> ¿ Where have you seen that, Julien ?
> AFAICS there have been absolutely no changes with SPW servers in
> December ! ;-)
> The PPNC server still exhibits the 4326 bug.
> The ESRI server too. Additionally all its layers I tested have been
> removed (error message instead of data).
> The PICC server probably too.  But it's difficult to tell because it
> no longer responds since about 6 months.
> Details below.
>> You may browse webservices from here :
>> http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services
> I have been spying on that server for some time.  I discovered it by
> pure chance.
> That's an Arcgis server with, as you can see, *Supported Interfaces:* 
> REST 
> SOAP  Sitemap
>  Geo
> Sitemap
> 
> Let's call it Arcgis as I don't see any name for it.
> AFAICS, it could be configured with an additional WMS service but it
> is not.
> Hence, it does not work with JOSM et al.
> It seems really hard to understand that JOSM et al. need WMS + EPSG
> 4326 et al. !!! ;-)))
> Those who do not understand, please look here
> .
> Or will you explain your JOSM et al. configuration to display (but not
> copy (yet)) SPW?
>
> In short, the PICC server used to be displayable (but not copyable
> (yet)) only by those who could afford a re-projecting proxy on their
> system and I had recommended to ask SPW to support 4326 et al. in PICC
> for those who cannot. Did you ask? Was the SPW reply stopping that server?
>
> Presently, the SPW *has removed all its services* that were usable.  
> Not quite what you say ;-)
>
> Another reason for asking is, as you probably know, that PICC is of
> *much much much better quality* than new Arcgis.
> For example, PICC shows not only multiple tracks of a railway line,
> but even *each rail* of each track, catenary gantries and many such
> details. AFAICS, Arcgis shows only a rough trace per line and, for
> example, the Kinkempois yard
> 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2014-01-17 13:22, Julien Fastré
  wrote :


  
  
  Le 16/01/14 21:12, André Pirard a
écrit :
  
  

On 2014-01-16 17:44, Julien Fastré
  wrote :


  Hi,

I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
geography in Wallonia.

They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
stratégique de la géomatique".

They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
should be an agreement to talk with him.

If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?



Don't forget that, in addition to legality, we technically need
WMS + EPSG 4326,3857,900913, 
These EPSGs were missing from the [PICC] cartopro2 WMS server
that they have removed.
You told us that the SPW said that they would add the EPSGs by
the end of the year.
I've just read that the new Arcgis REST system they use serves
all EPSGs already.
And I could verify that (with a bit of surprise).
But now, where is the WMS?   It sounds like just an Arcgis 
wms=yes  configuration tag to add :-)
Could that be recalled "to-morrow"?  Or the day after?
I'd be most happy to stop recalling that myself after 5 years
;-)

Cheers,


  

  André.

  


  
  André,
  
  I think EPSG 4326 and 3857 are now available on all webservices,
  since beginning of December : 

¿ Where have you seen that, Julien ?
AFAICS there have been absolutely no changes with SPW servers in
December ! ;-)
The PPNC server still exhibits the 4326 bug.
The ESRI server too. Additionally all its layers I tested have been
removed (error message instead of data).
The PICC server probably too.  But it's difficult to tell because it
no longer responds since about 6 months.
Details below.
You
  may browse webservices from here : http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services

I have been spying on that server for some time.  I discovered it by
pure chance.
That's an Arcgis server with, as you can see, Supported
  Interfaces:  REST
SOAP
Sitemap
Geo


  Sitemap 
Let's call it Arcgis as I don't see any name for it.
AFAICS, it could be configured with an additional WMS service but it
is not.
Hence, it does not work with JOSM et al. 
It seems really hard to understand that JOSM et al. need WMS + EPSG
4326 et al. !!! ;-)))
Those who do not understand, please
  look here.
Or will you explain your JOSM et al. configuration to display (but
not copy (yet)) SPW?

In short, the PICC server used to be displayable (but not copyable
(yet)) only by those who could afford a re-projecting proxy on their
system and I had recommended to ask SPW to support 4326 et al. in
PICC for those who cannot. Did you ask? Was the SPW reply stopping
that server?

Presently, the SPW has removed all its services that were
usable.   Not quite what you say ;-)

Another reason for asking is, as you probably know, that PICC is of
much much much better quality than new Arcgis.
For example, PICC shows not only multiple tracks of a railway line,
but even each rail of each track, catenary gantries and many
such details. AFAICS, Arcgis shows only a rough trace per line and,
for example, the


  Kinkempois yard (a huge "gare de triage") is


  completely empty (even the line and the station) and the


  tracks and platforms of the Guillemins station are totally


  missing, let alone speaking of the railway track that goes
across the streets and through the houses.
The same holds for the streets and most features etc, I won't dive
into more details.
PICC is really beyond compare with Arcgis.

And as I noticed in one of your reports that SPW spoke of the PICC
server as of outdated valueless data (which is probably why it's
stopped), I suggested to ask SPW if they would allow us to copy that
valueless data.  That would be tremendous for us to be able to
locate features precisely instead of approximately and never come
back to improve the precision.
I suppose it was asked.  Is the SPW answer really closing PICC
without notice?

So, in short, the requests are:
since 5 years: correct the 4326 bug
new: keep the PICC server running
let us copy its old data
configure WMS to Arcgis (and make a new WMS announcement page)

Thanks in a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Johan C]

{part of this page:
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/european-legislation-reuse-public-sector-information
}:
In June 2013, a revision of the Directive
has
been adopted by the Union legislator. Member States now have 2 years to
transpose the provisions of the revised Directive into national law. Read
more  on what will
change. A consolidated version of the Directive is available
here.
Click here 
for
more background on the process of revising the Directive.

Luckily the Belgium law has to change too :-)
Good luck getting the data. If they don't give it, you could give it a go
and send out a tweet to Neelie Kroes https://twitter.com/NeelieKroesEU,
responsible for the EU digital agenda and very much in favour of open data

Cheers, Johan


2014/1/17 Julien Fastré 

>
> Le 16/01/14 22:59, André Pirard a écrit :
>
> On 2014-01-16 18:44, Jo wrote :
>
>  Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building
> contours, PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.
>
>
> And if it's a by the piece permission, first of all the boundaries which
> are the only feature you can't see from above or walk with a GPS (and that
> are not copyrightable in my opinion, you might bring that particular answer
> back).
>
> Boundaries are the property of IGN. Walloon Regio, etc. just copy
> information from them.
>
> I think we should make contact with IGN/NGI to obtain this information.
>
>
> On 2014-01-16 20:27, Johan C wrote :
>
> This page
> http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/european-legislation-reuse-public-sector-informationcan
>  be interesting to prepare for a meeting with government officials
>
> As well as
>
> *7 MARS 2007. - Loi transposant la directive 2003/98/CE du Parlement
> européen et du Conseil du 17 novembre 2003 concernant la réutilisation des
> informations du secteur 
> public*
>
> *7 MAART 2007. - Wet tot omzetting van de richtlijn 2003/98/EG van het
> Europees Parlement en de Raad van 17 november 2003 inzake het hergebruik
> van overheidsinformatie*
> 
> I also found an interesting IGN/NGI 
> interview(boldface
>  mine).
>
> Une directive européenne est pour l'instant [2006] en cours de
> préparation, imposant l'obligation de croiser les données de référence.
> Notre interlocutrice [de l'IGN] confirme : "*Nous devons utiliser
> davantage les informations collectées par d'autres organismes*. Une
> collaboration avec les régions est l'idéal. *En échangeant nos données*,
> nous pourrons mettre nos renseignements plus rapidement à jour. *Nous
> visons à créer une banque carrefou**r** d'informations géographiques*, un
> réseau dans lequel l'IGN serait un pivot important. Nous ne collecterions
> les données qu'une seule fois et tous les autres organismes seraient
> immédiatement avertis des changements. *Nous aimerions aboutir en 2010*.
> Ces dernières années, nous avons également cherché des points de
> convergence avec la Défense. Nous faisons notamment appel à son imprimerie."
>
> Thanks again and ... good luck.
>
>
> I had contact with IGN before. They were, in March 2013, *completely*
> *OPPOSED* to open data. People change, mind change; but we should know that.
>
>
>
>   André.
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Julien Fastré]

Thanks for all your answer.

I will ask Ben to give my name to Philippe Henry.

It seems clear to me that my role, here, will be to :

- gather information about the strategic plan ;
- make a summary and propose an opinion, and discuss this opinion here
and on our wiki ;
- give this opinion back to the Waloon regio.

FYI, the strategic plan is a "master plan" to organize the work about
geographic data. It must be adopted by the Governement before the pool
in May, and translated into operation plan during summer.

You may find more information here :
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/home/acteurs-et-activites/plan-strategique-geomatique.html

Julien Fastré


Le 16/01/14 19:50, Paul-André Duchesne a écrit :
> +1 for Julien Fastré :)
>
> I'm impatient to get the feedback :) 
> We're gonna get the Wallony data, we're gonna get the wallony data
> eeeuh :)
>
>
> 2014/1/16 Jo mailto:winfi...@gmail.com>>
>
> Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building
> contours, PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.
> You have our support :-)
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2014/1/16 Julien Fastré  >
>
> Hi,
>
> I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
> geography in Wallonia.
>
> They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about
> the "plan
> stratégique de la géomatique".
>
> They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia
> and there
> should be an agreement to talk with him.
>
> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those
> talks, until we
> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>
> Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the
> plan, pro and
> cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?
>
> We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received
> the email
> this morning :-) ).
>
> Please give an answer :-)
>
> Julien Fastré
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Julien Fastré]

Le 16/01/14 22:59, André Pirard a écrit :

On 2014-01-16 18:44, Jo wrote :
Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building 
contours, PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.


And if it's a by the piece permission, first of all the boundaries 
which are the only feature you can't see from above or walk with a GPS 
(and that are not copyrightable in my opinion, you might bring that 
particular answer back).
Boundaries are the property of IGN. Walloon Regio, etc. just copy 
information from them.


I think we should make contact with IGN/NGI to obtain this information.


On 2014-01-16 20:27, Johan C wrote :
This page 
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/european-legislation-reuse-public-sector-information 
can be interesting to prepare for a meeting with government officials

As well as

*7 MARS 2007. - Loi transposant la directive 2003/98/CE du Parlement 
européen et du Conseil du 17 novembre 2003 concernant la réutilisation 
des informations du secteur public* 



*7 MAART 2007. - Wet tot omzetting van de richtlijn 2003/98/EG van het 
Europees Parlement en de Raad van 17 november 2003 inzake het 
hergebruik van overheidsinformatie*


I also found an interesting IGN/NGI interview 
 
(boldface mine).
Une directive européenne est pour l'instant [2006] en cours de 
préparation, imposant l'obligation de croiser les données de 
référence. Notre interlocutrice [de l'IGN] confirme : "*Nous devons 
utiliser davantage les informations collectées par d'autres 
organismes*. Une collaboration avec les régions est l'idéal. *En 
échangeant nos données*, nous pourrons mettre nos renseignements plus 
rapidement à jour. *Nous visons à créer une banque 
carrefou**r**d'informations géographiques*, un réseau dans lequel 
l'IGN serait un pivot important. Nous ne collecterions les données 
qu'une seule fois et tous les autres organismes seraient 
immédiatement avertis des changements. *Nous aimerions aboutir en 
2010*. Ces dernières années, nous avons également cherché des points 
de convergence avec la Défense. Nous faisons notamment appel à son 
imprimerie."

Thanks again and ... good luck.


I had contact with IGN before. They were, in March 2013, *completely* 
*OPPOSED* to open data. People change, mind change; but we should know that.





André.




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Julien Fastré]

Le 16/01/14 21:12, André Pirard a écrit :

On 2014-01-16 17:44, Julien Fastré wrote :

Hi,

I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
geography in Wallonia.

They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
stratégique de la géomatique".

They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
should be an agreement to talk with him.

If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?


I would stand alone if I said no ;-)  Thanks Julien.

Don't forget that, in addition to legality, we technically need WMS + 
EPSG 4326,3857,900913, 
These EPSGs were missing from the cartopro2 WMS server that they have 
removed.
You told us that the SPW said that they would add the EPSGs by the end 
of the year.
I've just read that the new Arcgis REST system they use serves all 
EPSGs already.

And I could verify that (with a bit of surprise).
But now, where is the WMS?   It sounds like just an Arcgis wms=yes  
configuration tag to add :-)

Could that be recalled "to-morrow"?  Or the day after?
I'd be most happy to stop recalling that myself after 5 years ;-)

Cheers,

André.



André,

I think EPSG 4326 and 3857 are now available on all webservices, since 
beginning of December :


Here can you find :

LayersEPSG:4326EPSG:3857EPSG:31370
from : 
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/IMAGERIE/ORTHO_2012_2013/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS 
(capabilities of ORTHO 2012)


You may browse webservices from here : 
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services


But we are not allowed (yet) to use those services to copy informations 
into OpenStreetMap.


Julien




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[André Pirard]

On 2014-01-16 18:44, Jo wrote :
> Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building
> contours, PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.

And if it's a by the piece permission, first of all the boundaries which
are the only feature you can't see from above or walk with a GPS (and
that are not copyrightable in my opinion, you might bring that
particular answer back).

On 2014-01-16 20:27, Johan C wrote :
> This
> page 
> http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/european-legislation-reuse-public-sector-information
> can be interesting to prepare for a meeting with government officials
As well as

*7 MARS 2007. - Loi transposant la directive 2003/98/CE du Parlement
européen et du Conseil du 17 novembre 2003 concernant la réutilisation
des informations du secteur public*


*7
MAART 2007. - Wet tot omzetting van de richtlijn 2003/98/EG van het
Europees Parlement en de Raad van 17 november 2003 inzake het hergebruik
van overheidsinformatie*

I also found an interesting IGN/NGI interview

(boldface mine).
> Une directive européenne est pour l'instant [2006] en cours de
> préparation, imposant l'obligation de croiser les données de
> référence. Notre interlocutrice [de l'IGN] confirme : "*Nous devons
> utiliser davantage les informations collectées par d'autres
> organismes*. Une collaboration avec les régions est l'idéal. *En
> échangeant nos données*, nous pourrons mettre nos renseignements plus
> rapidement à jour. *Nous visons à créer une banque
> carrefou**r**d'informations géographiques*, un réseau dans lequel
> l'IGN serait un pivot important. Nous ne collecterions les données
> qu'une seule fois et tous les autres organismes seraient immédiatement
> avertis des changements. *Nous aimerions aboutir en 2010*. Ces
> dernières années, nous avons également cherché des points de
> convergence avec la Défense. Nous faisons notamment appel à son
> imprimerie."
Thanks again and ... good luck.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[André Pirard]

On 2014-01-16 17:44, Julien Fastré wrote :
> Hi,
>
> I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
> geography in Wallonia.
>
> They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
> stratégique de la géomatique".
>
> They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
> should be an agreement to talk with him.
>
> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>
> Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
> cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?

I would stand alone if I said no ;-)  Thanks Julien.

Don't forget that, in addition to legality, we technically need WMS +
EPSG 4326,3857,900913, 
These EPSGs were missing from the cartopro2 WMS server that they have
removed.
You told us that the SPW said that they would add the EPSGs by the end
of the year.
I've just read that the new Arcgis REST system they use serves all EPSGs
already.
And I could verify that (with a bit of surprise).
But now, where is the WMS?   It sounds like just an Arcgis  wms=yes 
configuration tag to add :-)
Could that be recalled "to-morrow"?  Or the day after?
I'd be most happy to stop recalling that myself after 5 years ;-)

Cheers,

André.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Johan C]

This page
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/european-legislation-reuse-public-sector-informationcan
be interesting to prepare for a meeting with government officials

Cheers, Johan


2014/1/16 Paul-André Duchesne 

> +1 for Julien Fastré :)
>
> I'm impatient to get the feedback :)
> We're gonna get the Wallony data, we're gonna get the wallony data eeeuh :)
>
>
> 2014/1/16 Jo 
>
>> Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building
>> contours, PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.
>> You have our support :-)
>>
>> Jo
>>
>>
>> 2014/1/16 Julien Fastré 
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
>>> geography in Wallonia.
>>>
>>> They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
>>> stratégique de la géomatique".
>>>
>>> They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
>>> should be an agreement to talk with him.
>>>
>>> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
>>> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>>>
>>> Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
>>> cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?
>>>
>>> We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received the email
>>> this morning :-) ).
>>>
>>> Please give an answer :-)
>>>
>>> Julien Fastré
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Paul-André Duchesne]

+1 for Julien Fastré :)

I'm impatient to get the feedback :)
We're gonna get the Wallony data, we're gonna get the wallony data eeeuh :)


2014/1/16 Jo 

> Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building contours,
> PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.
> You have our support :-)
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2014/1/16 Julien Fastré 
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
>> geography in Wallonia.
>>
>> They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
>> stratégique de la géomatique".
>>
>> They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
>> should be an agreement to talk with him.
>>
>> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
>> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>>
>> Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
>> cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?
>>
>> We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received the email
>> this morning :-) ).
>>
>> Please give an answer :-)
>>
>> Julien Fastré
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Jo]

Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building contours,
PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.
You have our support :-)

Jo


2014/1/16 Julien Fastré 

> Hi,
>
> I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
> geography in Wallonia.
>
> They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
> stratégique de la géomatique".
>
> They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
> should be an agreement to talk with him.
>
> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>
> Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
> cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?
>
> We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received the email
> this morning :-) ).
>
> Please give an answer :-)
>
> Julien Fastré
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[eMerzh]

Yes :)

It seems obvious that you are the right person for this task :)

Go for it :)



On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Ben Abelshausen
wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Julien Fastré  wrote:
>
>> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
>> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>>
>
> Yes, I also agree 100% with you as our representative! :-)
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Julien Fastré  wrote:

> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>

Yes, I also agree 100% with you as our representative! :-)

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Dear Julien,

As you propose your self, as you take the care to give us some feedback and
ask for confirmation, and as you have initiated the contacts, I fully agree
that you represent OSM-be to discuss this plan geomatique with the region.

Best regards,

Nicolas


2014/1/16 Julien Fastré 

> Hi,
>
> I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
> geography in Wallonia.
>
> They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
> stratégique de la géomatique".
>
> They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
> should be an agreement to talk with him.
>
> If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
> have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).
>
> Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
> cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?
>
> We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received the email
> this morning :-) ).
>
> Please give an answer :-)
>
> Julien Fastré
>
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[OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

[Julien Fastré]

Hi,

I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
geography in Wallonia.

They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the "plan
stratégique de la géomatique".

They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
should be an agreement to talk with him.

If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?

We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received the email
this morning :-) ).

Please give an answer :-)

Julien Fastré

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