Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM - meeting in August

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

2013/8/28 Julien Fastré 

Dear Julien and Pierre,

Much thanks for the meeting with the firefighters and the report. Very
interesting. If these people start to use OSM, this is a real plus. Many
people will agree to support and use OSM if this can benefit the
firefighters (anyone of us can once benefit from faster firefighters !)


> What do you think ? Do you agree on this work ? Some volunteers ?
>
> In the school where I teach (école supérieure d'informatique, Brussels)
the students in 3rd year must do an internship of 15 weeks. They can
program (they have learned java, assembly, C++ and can do by themselves
python ou php if needed) . I must submit ideas and proposals for these
internship by Sept 5, 2013, the interships beginning only about Feb 1st,
2014. The only requests we have is that the trainees work in a «normal
working environnement» (= be provided a desk), and work under the
supervision of a professionnal computer scientist (= someone who can attest
that he can program and monitor the work of the trainee).

I would very much like to consider with any of you subjects (like the ones
proposed by Julien or others) for such internships.

If I could get the coordinates of the firefighters in Namur to propose them
our trainees, I would also love to. (even better if ths work integrate
nicely with OSM and use/develop free software)

Regards,

Nicolas

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[OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM - meeting in August

[Julien Fastré]

Hi,

Pierre Willot and I met firefighters in Namur, a couple of days ago. 
They are located in Wallonia, but I think that what happens there might 
interest the whole Belgium.


We wrote a report of this meeting, which may be found here : 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Contacts_with_local_autorities/Wallonia/firefighters-namur 
(in French)


A short summary : firefighters are planning to use OSM as one of their 
data sources. They have developped routing engines, which adapt 
themselves to the car profile (a 5-ton truck may not go through the same 
way as cars).


They would like that the map in their zone to be up to date. In a near 
future (if they use OSM) they will also encode new ways / deleted ways 
in the map: they are notified every time a street is modified, and will 
push the changes into OSM.


What do they ask ?

- They would like to be sure the map is up to date in their area. Until 
now, they need only the streets'axes. They have a lot of datasources 
(PICC from the Walloon Region, etc.). They would like to have a script 
to compare the existence of streets'axes which appears in the PICC into 
OSM, and if the street axe has the good 'highway' value.


The script should produce a result like "in this square, x% of the 
streets'axis are missing or does not match a correct highway value". We 
(contributors, but also firewalls) should work on those areas.


Pierre and I proposed to organise large-public mapping parties into this 
area. They are considering participating to those events.


- We were thinking about make a proposal to the hackathon egov to write 
the compare-script there. The PICC will be available there 
(http://hackathonegovwallonia.net/quest-ce-que-lopen-data/).


- The firewall will also open some database. I already received a list 
of streets which may have spelling mistakes, from instances. I will 
communicate this list soon (there are some licensed data that I must clean)


What do you think ? Do you agree on this work ? Some volunteers ?

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Glenn Plas]

On 2013-07-25 21:29, Kurt Roeckx wrote:

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:16:14AM +0200, Teddy wrote:

2013/7/24 Kurt Roeckx 


fire_hydrant



Hello Kurt,
No, there are 3 numbers for the offset, in the tag "fire_hydrant:position"

On the signs there are only ever 2 of those numbers.  Either you
one to the left or one to the right.  Never both.

Anyway, I see no point in mapping that a sign says the hydrant
that much away from the sign.  Those numbers are their for people
who are looking for the hydrant to find by saying about where they
should look.  In my expieriences they're also not very accurate.



It would make sense with hidden ones and a smartphone application to 
find them using OSM data.  If you know what to look for _and_ where, you 
are all set.


But in the end it doesn't matter, I really didn't forsee that by copying 
a key from the severly micromapped Rossleben a discussion of this kind 
would erupt.  In the end, it's probably bad tagging, values like that 
deserve their own keys.  But the same thing can be said about a tree, 
why would you map a tree? only reason I know is to make it a landmark.  
I do this sometimes as this can help recognizing distinct areas.


Sometimes the application of those things is beyond our imagination.
Things like this emerge nowadays : 
http://eprints.nuim.ie/2482/1/Ciepluch-et-al-ACM-GIS-CamerReady1.pdf
Using OSM data to determine location without GPS, just by using vector 
data.   I can imagine an application (google glasses ?) that could do 
wicked things using this.


But in the end, it's only a sign.  But it would be not against OSM 
spirit, e.g. To map what is there in the real world.   Mapping the 
hydrant is much more important.   Eventually the lat/lon on that, if 
precise enough is exactly the location, so in essence, we would be using 
a different positioning system in an existing one.


So , eventually it's not all that important to do, and I would not have 
a problem to drop those from the ones I made.


Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Kurt Roeckx]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:16:14AM +0200, Teddy wrote:
> 2013/7/24 Kurt Roeckx 
> 
> > fire_hydrant
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Kurt,
> No, there are 3 numbers for the offset, in the tag "fire_hydrant:position"

On the signs there are only ever 2 of those numbers.  Either you
one to the left or one to the right.  Never both.

Anyway, I see no point in mapping that a sign says the hydrant
that much away from the sign.  Those numbers are their for people
who are looking for the hydrant to find by saying about where they
should look.  In my expieriences they're also not very accurate.

I think that we want to map where the hydrant it, not map the sign
and say the hydrant has an offset relative to that sign.  I assume
you also don't map road signs pointing to a city and then saying
that that sign says that the city is that many km away.  I really
see no value whatsover in mapping what the sign says about the
position.

> ** fire_hydrant:position= lane/parking_lot/sidewalk/green; left
> offset;front offset;right offset

None of the the various wiki's mention anything about the offsets.
I also see no point in using 3 numbers for it while the sign will
only ever have 2 on them.

> Rem : on fire signaling panels (Belgium, France, Deutchland) :
> B is for Borne -> above ground
> H is for Hydrant -> below ground

Yes, I already said that in my mail.


Kurt


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Glenn Plas]

On 2013-07-25 10:16, Teddy wrote:


2013/7/24 Kurt Roeckx mailto:k...@roeckx.be>>

fire_hydrant



Hello Kurt,
No, there are 3 numbers for the offset, in the tag "fire_hydrant:position"
** fire_hydrant:position= lane/parking_lot/sidewalk/green; left 
offset;front offset;right offset


But in the official description (see below), there is no numbers at 
the end of the tag !


The type of material is in the tag "fire_hydrant:type"

** fire_hydrant:type=underground/pillar/wall/pond

The diameter is in the tag : "fire_hydrant:diameter"

The diameter is in the tag : "fire_hydrant:standard", DIN is the 
standard for Europe.


**fire_hydrant:standard = DIN

*Be carrefull, officialy, you must also use the tag :*

***amenity=fire_hydrant*

*See->**http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant#VOTE_END_UPDATE*

Rem : on fire signaling panels (Belgium, France, Deutchland) :
B is for Borne -> above ground
H is for Hydrant -> below ground


Eddy,

That is not correct.  There is a little notice that says:

The proposal moved to emergency. ? Tag:emergency=fire_hydrant

Below that someone correctly states:

"After a long discussion about the "emergency-tags" we decided to let 
the fire hydrants in the amenity namespace (for now).

This discussion was where? Please provide the link."

So you should not use amenity.  There is also no law that says you 
cannot deviate from the norm.  If you check the occcurences of the way I 
tagged the position of  hydrant you will see more of those,  I also 
frequently see discussions on the general mailing list that state the 
wiki is not always correct and it is lagging behind in many cases.


If you check the occurences of this tag:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=emergency&value=fire_hydrant 
vs http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=amenity&value=fire_hydrant


I think it is safe to say you should keep using emergency.
Eddy,

That is not correct.  There is a little notice that says:

The proposal moved to emergency. ? Tag:emergency=fire_hydrant

Below that someone correctly states:

"After a long discussion about the "emergency-tags" we decided to let 
the fire hydrants in the amenity namespace (for now).

This discussion was where? Please provide the link."

So you should not use amenity.  There is also no law that says you 
cannot deviate from the norm.  If you check the occcurences of the way I 
tagged the position of  hydrant you will see more of those,  I also 
frequently see discussions on the general mailing list that state the 
wiki is not always correct and it is lagging behind in many cases.


If you check the occurences of this tag:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=emergency&value=fire_hydrant 
vs http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=amenity&value=fire_hydrant


I think it is safe to say you should keep using emergency.

Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Teddy]

2013/7/24 Kurt Roeckx 

> fire_hydrant



Hello Kurt,
No, there are 3 numbers for the offset, in the tag "fire_hydrant:position"

** fire_hydrant:position= lane/parking_lot/sidewalk/green; left
offset;front offset;right offset

But in the official description (see below), there is no numbers at the end
of the tag !

The type of material is in the tag "fire_hydrant:type"

** fire_hydrant:type=underground/pillar/wall/pond

The diameter is in the tag : "fire_hydrant:diameter"

The diameter is in the tag : "fire_hydrant:standard", DIN is the standard
for Europe.

**fire_hydrant:standard = DIN
*Be carrefull, officialy, you must also use the tag :*

***amenity=fire_hydrant*

*See->**
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant#VOTE_END_UPDATE
*

Rem : on fire signaling panels (Belgium, France, Deutchland) :
B is for Borne -> above ground
H is for Hydrant -> below ground

More informations :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant (fire
signaling panels)
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Kurt Roeckx]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:13:53AM +0200, Teddy wrote:
> Bonjour,
> 
> The numbers are meabe for the position of the Hydrant (under the sidewalk)
> from the signpost.
> On the official fire signaling panels (for Hydrants) see :
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B72s2PiIFkrZNVBFOVRTYmRURlE/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> You have 3 numbers :
> at left : the distance between the base of the signpost at left and the
> Hydrant
> in the middle : the distance between the base of the signpost (in
> front) and the Hydrant   ex:1.2m
> at right : the distance between the base of the signpost at right and the
> Hydrant ex:0.8m
> (if the number is negative the position of the Hydrant is behind the
> signpost)
> 
> For this tag :
> *"fire_hydrant:position = sidewalk;0.0;1.2;0.0"*
> left : 0m
> front : 1,2m
> right : 0m

That sign should indicate where the hydrant really is, so it's
easier to locate.  I see no point in mapping where the sign is
and we should just map where the hydrant is instead.

For a proper meaning of the sign, in Dutch, see:
http://blog.seniorennet.be/westendseblik/archief.php?catID=1637

In short:
It has 2 numbers, indicating an x and y offset in meters
There is a letter, B for below ground, H for above ground
The B or H might be followed by a number indicting the
diameter



Kurt


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Teddy]

Bonjour,

The numbers are meabe for the position of the Hydrant (under the sidewalk)
from the signpost.
On the official fire signaling panels (for Hydrants) see :
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B72s2PiIFkrZNVBFOVRTYmRURlE/edit?usp=sharing

You have 3 numbers :
at left : the distance between the base of the signpost at left and the
Hydrant
in the middle : the distance between the base of the signpost (in
front) and the Hydrant   ex:1.2m
at right : the distance between the base of the signpost at right and the
Hydrant ex:0.8m
(if the number is negative the position of the Hydrant is behind the
signpost)

For this tag :
*"fire_hydrant:position = sidewalk;0.0;1.2;0.0"*
left : 0m
front : 1,2m
right : 0m

I think it is a good suggestion.

Kind regards.
*__Eddy__*


2013/7/16 Julien Fastré 

>  @Marc: Thanks for this information, Marc.
>
> @Glenn: What does this mean :
>
>
>- fire_hydrant:position = sidewalk;0.0;1.2;0.0
>- fire_hydrant:standard = DIN
>
>  I understand fire_hydrant:position:sidewalk, but not the numbers after.
> Are they the position from the sidewalk's edge ?
>
> Do you have a list of fire_hydrant:standard ?
>
> In the wiki, the page key:fire_hydrant:position redirect to
> key:fire_hydrant.
>
> Julien
>
> Le 15/07/13 21:36, Marc Gemis a écrit :
>
> In Friesland, Germany, they recently did an import of fire hydrants:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16872978
>
>  regards
>
>  m
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>
>>  On 07/15/2013 08:37 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Glenn ! I will speak to them about your dataset
>> request/suggestion.
>>
>> Julien
>>
>>  Hi Julien,
>>
>> No problem, you could refer the mappers involved to npde
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836 as an example.
>>
>> this node already seen a revision as well, so there are more contributers
>> which is very good.  See wiki as well :
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant and
>> beyond.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Glenn
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Jo]

The water company and the gas companies do something similar on those
yellow (and blue?) signs which are on people's 'façades'.

Somehow they seem afraid their employees wouldn't be able to locate the
yellow and blue covers of the shutters without them.

Jo

2013/7/16 Glenn Plas 

>
>  @Glenn: What does this mean :
>
>
>- fire_hydrant:position = sidewalk;0.0;1.2;0.0
>- fire_hydrant:standard = DIN
>
>  I understand fire_hydrant:position:sidewalk, but not the numbers after.
> Are they the position from the sidewalk's edge ?
>
> Do you have a list of fire_hydrant:standard ?
>
>
> I copied most keys from RossLeben area, anyone who was there in Lier
> should remember that micromap.  Check out node
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1841448214 there.
>
> The person ( manu1400 ) that did the last edit on that node, also
> corrected the one I mentioned earlier in Mechelen :
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836
>
> So that corrected the same key on both, I'm sure I copied that over.  I
> believed at the time it's a description of the location/distance from the
> first part: in this case the sidewalk.  I noticed that potlatch marks that
> key as problematic but It seems to be the consensus for the location of the
> hydrant.
>
> manu1400 hasn't corrected it (yet) ;-)
>
> I'm sure it's described somewhere but I'm running circles too on the wiki
> on that.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Glenn Plas]

@Glenn: What does this mean :


  * fire_hydrant:position = sidewalk;0.0;1.2;0.0
  * fire_hydrant:standard = DIN

I understand fire_hydrant:position:sidewalk, but not the numbers 
after. Are they the position from the sidewalk's edge ?


Do you have a list of fire_hydrant:standard ?


I copied most keys from RossLeben area, anyone who was there in Lier 
should remember that micromap.  Check out node 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1841448214 there.


The person ( manu1400 ) that did the last edit on that node, also 
corrected the one I mentioned earlier in Mechelen : 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836


So that corrected the same key on both, I'm sure I copied that over.  I 
believed at the time it's a description of the location/distance from 
the first part: in this case the sidewalk.  I noticed that potlatch 
marks that key as problematic but It seems to be the consensus for the 
location of the hydrant.


manu1400 hasn't corrected it (yet) ;-)

I'm sure it's described somewhere but I'm running circles too on the 
wiki on that.


Glenn
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

[Julien Fastré]

@Marc: Thanks for this information, Marc.

@Glenn: What does this mean :


  * fire_hydrant:position = sidewalk;0.0;1.2;0.0
  * fire_hydrant:standard = DIN

I understand fire_hydrant:position:sidewalk, but not the numbers after. 
Are they the position from the sidewalk's edge ?


Do you have a list of fire_hydrant:standard ?

In the wiki, the page key:fire_hydrant:position redirect to 
key:fire_hydrant.


Julien

Le 15/07/13 21:36, Marc Gemis a écrit :
In Friesland, Germany, they recently did an import of fire hydrants: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16872978


regards

m


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Glenn Plas > wrote:


On 07/15/2013 08:37 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:

Thank you, Glenn ! I will speak to them about your dataset
request/suggestion.

Julien


Hi Julien,

No problem, you could refer the mappers involved to npde
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836 as an example.

this node already seen a revision as well, so there are more
contributers which is very good.  See wiki as well :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant
and beyond.

Greetings,

Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

Please keep supplying us with details on this! I'm also very interested in
what their needs are for routing and the map in general. :-)

Also my day job is routing and rendering with OSM data, i'm always able to
help you out there!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
http://twitter.com/xivk



On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> In Friesland, Germany, they recently did an import of fire hydrants:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16872978
>
> regards
>
> m
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>
>>  On 07/15/2013 08:37 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Glenn ! I will speak to them about your dataset
>> request/suggestion.
>>
>> Julien
>>
>>  Hi Julien,
>>
>> No problem, you could refer the mappers involved to npde
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836 as an example.
>>
>> this node already seen a revision as well, so there are more contributers
>> which is very good.  See wiki as well :
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant and
>> beyond.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Glenn
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In Friesland, Germany, they recently did an import of fire hydrants:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16872978

regards

m


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:

>  On 07/15/2013 08:37 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:
>
> Thank you, Glenn ! I will speak to them about your dataset
> request/suggestion.
>
> Julien
>
>  Hi Julien,
>
> No problem, you could refer the mappers involved to npde
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836 as an example.
>
> this node already seen a revision as well, so there are more contributers
> which is very good.  See wiki as well :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant and
> beyond.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Glenn
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM

[Glenn Plas]

On 07/15/2013 08:37 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:
Thank you, Glenn ! I will speak to them about your dataset 
request/suggestion.


Julien


Hi Julien,

No problem, you could refer the mappers involved to npde 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836 as an example.


this node already seen a revision as well, so there are more 
contributers which is very good.  See wiki as well : 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant and beyond.


Greetings,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM

[Julien Fastré]

Thank you, Glenn ! I will speak to them about your dataset
request/suggestion.

Julien

Le 15/07/13 17:44, Glenn Plas a écrit :
> It would be very interesting to also get their datasets concerning
> fire_hydrants, water sources and all other relevant info needed for
> the job,
> OSM has got established keys for that.  That would really lift up the
> usefulness.
>
> I've micromapped those before and it's very difficult to find their
> specs (diameter, type, ref and such) if you're not into the
> firefighting scene.
>
> As for routing purposes, I would suggest looking at pgrouting code ,
> very performant https://github.com/pgRouting/pgrouting.
> 
>
> Glenn
>
> Nederlands=
>
> Het zou inderdaad handig zijn om dit nog meer open te trekken naar
> brandkranen en ander waterbronnen.  Ze zouden deze informatie kunnen
> combineren voor nog efficienter tewerk te gaan.  Ik heb al een paar
> keer dit soort dingen gemicromapped maar het vinden van accurate
> informatie was heel moeilijk (zelfs met foto van de ref. plaatjes ter
> plekke).  Als je als leek in die wereld begeeft extra moeilijk.
>
> Als ze dat soort data zouden willen toevoegen in OSM, zou fantastisch
> zijn kwa mogelijkheden naderhand.
>
> Bekijk zeker ook de link hierboven omtrent routing engines.
>
> Glenn
>
> Zeer interessant gegeven.
>
> On 07/15/2013 03:17 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am currently having a contact with firefighters in Namur and
>> Hainaut. They would like to use OSM in their routing engines. They
>> are interested in contribuing to OSM, and re-use OSM data's for
>> specific routing (driving a five-ton truck is not so easy than
>> driving a car, and they do not find correct routing engine for that
>> purpose).
>>
>> Pierre Willot and I are meeting them in August. We will keep you in
>> touch.
>>
>> Julien Fastré
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM

[Glenn Plas]

It would be very interesting to also get their datasets concerning 
fire_hydrants, water sources and all other relevant info needed for the 
job,
OSM has got established keys for that.  That would really lift up the 
usefulness.


I've micromapped those before and it's very difficult to find their 
specs (diameter, type, ref and such) if you're not into the firefighting 
scene.


As for routing purposes, I would suggest looking at pgrouting code , 
very performant https://github.com/pgRouting/pgrouting. 



Glenn

Nederlands=

Het zou inderdaad handig zijn om dit nog meer open te trekken naar 
brandkranen en ander waterbronnen.  Ze zouden deze informatie kunnen 
combineren voor nog efficienter tewerk te gaan.  Ik heb al een paar keer 
dit soort dingen gemicromapped maar het vinden van accurate informatie 
was heel moeilijk (zelfs met foto van de ref. plaatjes ter plekke).  Als 
je als leek in die wereld begeeft extra moeilijk.


Als ze dat soort data zouden willen toevoegen in OSM, zou fantastisch 
zijn kwa mogelijkheden naderhand.


Bekijk zeker ook de link hierboven omtrent routing engines.

Glenn

Zeer interessant gegeven.

On 07/15/2013 03:17 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:

Hi,

I am currently having a contact with firefighters in Namur and 
Hainaut. They would like to use OSM in their routing engines. They are 
interested in contribuing to OSM, and re-use OSM data's for specific 
routing (driving a five-ton truck is not so easy than driving a car, 
and they do not find correct routing engine for that purpose).


Pierre Willot and I are meeting them in August. We will keep you in 
touch.


Julien Fastré

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[OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM

[Julien Fastré]

Hi,

I am currently having a contact with firefighters in Namur and Hainaut. 
They would like to use OSM in their routing engines. They are interested 
in contribuing to OSM, and re-use OSM data's for specific routing 
(driving a five-ton truck is not so easy than driving a car, and they do 
not find correct routing engine for that purpose).


Pierre Willot and I are meeting them in August. We will keep you in touch.

Julien Fastré

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