Re: [OSM-talk-be] IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI too now using OpenStreetMap

[André Pirard]

Hi,

Regarding this wonderful proposition of Nicolas, IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI/НГИ 
have announcedCartoWebreplacingTestbed.

See the announcement below the fr/nl bars at the end of this e-mail.
This looks great when a JOSM bug/incompatibility will be fixed. I've 
opened a ticket and I'm confident.
This CartoWeb supports CECP 3857 /private-joke>
I need to see it work to compare with Testbed. I wonder how the 
additional layers can be selected.
One thing I can already say is that if the administrative borders were 
coarse with Testbed, they are completely wrong with CartoWeb and, if he 
looked at that, it's no wonder that someone found that they don't match OSM.
Please Nicolas or someone, look at convention #2 
 to see if they could agree to 
make it suitable for OSM.be.


André.


On 2015-11-12 09:43, joost schouppe wrote:

Hi André, Nicolas,

I would be interested in hearing what they have to say too. The NGI 
road data might be very interesting for us too, if only to check for 
missing roads in our map (especially the "slow roads" still need work 
in Belgium).


Sorry about the late response, and thanks for bumping this, André.

2015-11-11 18:25 GMT+01:00 André Pirard >:


On 2015-09-06 23:54, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :

Dear

In March, I have met the directeur général adjoint of IGN during
a meeting about GIS in Belgium where I represented the OSM.BE
 team (Ben had been invited too and I have
coordinated with him) and he let me know that he would be willing
to share data with us.

We could prepare to go and meet officially (as the OSM-be
representatives) IGN to discussi licences, compatibility and
mutual help.

Who is interested ?

The IGN/NGI is a most important source of information indeed.
I'm very surprised that no one else replied.
Thanks.  Keep us informed.

But the first thing to know is if what we do isn't allowed
already, like for the SPW.
IGN states conditions almost as vague as the SPW.
For the SPW, now that we know that "we cannot copy yet" isn't true
and now that the SPW fixed the PICC bug that I have asked 5 years
ago (and that was being laughed at), we can now redo with JOSM
with a 20cm precision much of the work that was made over 5 years
with a 2 to 5 m error and more with other editors.

Cheers

André.




Best regards,

Nicolas

Le dim 6 sep 2015 à 21:45, André Pirard
  a
écrit :

Hi,

In their now official Cartesius project
, IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI et
al. too are now using OpenStreetMap
 (click
Basemap).

It would have been surprising that NGI did not display the OSM ©
notice ;-)
Please notice that they reproduce without a frown the OSM
mapping of the so-called © NGI boundaries that we "cannot copy
yet" (belonging to the various successive governments (French
and Belgian mainly)) !

Cheers ,

André.








L’IGN a pris la décision d’arrêter le service en ligne Testbed ouvert 
depuis 2008, au *31 janvier 2016.*


En effet, ce service-test ne répond plus aux exigences et aux données 
techniques des services en ligne.


Cependant, afin de rencontrer la demande croissante des utilisateurs, 
nous avons développé et mis en ligne, un service performant appelé 
*‘CartoWeb.be’*.


Vous pouvez trouver l’ensemble des informations ainsi que les 
conditions d’utilisation concernant ce service sur notre site à la 
page : http://www.ngi.be/FR/FR1-19-1.shtm ou 
http://www.ngi.be/NL/NL1-19-1.shtm


Vous pouvez également le visualiser via notre application ‘Topomapviewer’

http://www.ngi.be/topomapviewer/public?lang=fr ou 
http://www.ngi.be/topomapviewer/public?lang=nl


CartoWeb.be possède de nombreux avantages. En plus d’être un WMTS et 
d’être donc largement plus rapide qu’un WMS, CartoWeb.be fonctionne 
avec une mise à jour continue et permet d’afficher 13 niveaux 
d’échelles avec des représentations cartographiques adaptées au zoom.


Ce changement peut amener des différences significatives pour vous. 
C’est pourquoi nous vous encourageons à nous faire part de toute 
remarque ou critique (positive ou négative) de façon à ce que nous 
puissions concentrer nos efforts pour améliorer nos services dans la 
mesure de nos possibilités.


L’adresse de contact est carto...@ngi.be  .

En vous remerciant d’avance pour votre collaboration,

L’équipe CartoWeb.be de l’institut géographique national

cid:image001.jpg@01D0CADF.4A296910





Op *31 januari 2016* stopt het NGI met de onlinedienst Testbed, die 
startte in 2008. 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI too now using OpenStreetMap

[joost schouppe]

Hi André, Nicolas,

I would be interested in hearing what they have to say too. The NGI road
data might be very interesting for us too, if only to check for missing
roads in our map (especially the "slow roads" still need work in Belgium).

Sorry about the late response, and thanks for bumping this, André.

2015-11-11 18:25 GMT+01:00 André Pirard :

> On 2015-09-06 23:54, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :
>
> Dear
>
> In March, I have met the directeur général adjoint of IGN during a meeting
> about GIS in Belgium where I represented the OSM.BE team (Ben had been
> invited too and I have coordinated with him) and he let me know that he
> would be willing to share data with us.
>
> We could prepare to go and meet officially (as the OSM-be representatives)
> IGN to discussi licences, compatibility and mutual help.
>
> Who is interested ?
>
> The IGN/NGI is a most important source of information indeed.
> I'm very surprised that no one else replied.
> Thanks.  Keep us informed.
>
> But the first thing to know is if what we do isn't allowed already, like
> for the SPW.
> IGN states conditions almost as vague as the SPW.
> For the SPW, now that we know that "we cannot copy yet" isn't true and now
> that the SPW fixed the PICC bug that I have asked 5 years ago (and that was
> being laughed at), we can now redo with JOSM with a 20cm precision much of
> the work that was made over 5 years with a 2 to 5 m error and more with
> other editors.
>
> Cheers
>
> André.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le dim 6 sep 2015 à 21:45, André Pirard 
>  a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> In their now official Cartesius project
> , IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI et al. too are
> now using OpenStreetMap
>  (click Basemap).
>
> It would have been surprising that NGI did not display the OSM © notice ;-)
>
> Please notice that they reproduce without a frown the OSM mapping of the
> so-called © NGI boundaries that we "cannot copy yet" (belonging to the
> various successive governments (French and Belgian mainly)) !
>
> Cheers ,
>
> André.
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI too now using OpenStreetMap

[André Pirard]

On 2015-09-06 23:54, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :
> Dear 
>
> In March, I have met the directeur général adjoint of IGN during a
> meeting about GIS in Belgium where I represented the OSM.BE team (Ben
> had been invited too and I have coordinated with him) and he let me
> know that he would be willing to share data with us.
>
> We could prepare to go and meet officially (as the OSM-be
> representatives) IGN to discussi licences, compatibility and mutual help.
>
> Who is interested ?
The IGN/NGI is a most important source of information indeed.
I'm very surprised that no one else replied.
Thanks.  Keep us informed.

But the first thing to know is if what we do isn't allowed already, like
for the SPW.
IGN states conditions almost as vague as the SPW.
For the SPW, now that we know that "we cannot copy yet" isn't true and
now that the SPW fixed the PICC bug that I have asked 5 years ago (and
that was being laughed at), we can now redo with JOSM with a 20cm
precision much of the work that was made over 5 years with a 2 to 5 m
error and more with other editors.

Cheers

André.


>
> Best regards,
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le dim 6 sep 2015 à 21:45, André Pirard  a
> écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> In their now official Cartesius project
>> , IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI et al.
>> too are now using OpenStreetMap
>>  (click
>> Basemap).
>>
>> It would have been surprising that NGI did not display the OSM ©
>> notice ;-)
>> Please notice that they reproduce without a frown the OSM mapping of
>> the so-called © NGI boundaries that we "cannot copy yet" (belonging
>> to the various successive governments (French and Belgian mainly)) !
>>
>> Cheers ,
>>
>> André.
>>
>>

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI too now using OpenStreetMap

[André Pirard]

On 2015-09-06 23:54, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :
> Dear 
>
> In March, I have met the directeur général adjoint of IGN during a
> meeting about GIS in Belgium where I represented the OSM.BE team (Ben
> had been invited too and I have coordinated with him) and he let me
> know that he would be willing to share data with us.
>
> We could prepare to go and meet officially (as the OSM-be
> representatives) IGN to discussi licences, compatibility and mutual help.
>
> Who is interested ?
The geographic sites conditions usually limit the vision of what is
conceivable to do with their maps to "you can print a map" (waste paper,
what about copying the picture to a smartphone/GSM instead?). But we
have learned after 5 years of "we cannot copy (yet)" that what the SPW
conditions do not say is that "what OSM is doing is not copying". Hence,
it would be *very interesting* indeed to *at least* know the
corresponding opinion of IGN/NGI about what we are doing.  And even more
that they are willing to share data as Minister Henry wad told to have
asked the SPW to do.
And, btw, to ask the Minister if the boundary data is the property of
IGN/NGI or theirs (btw, should I explain that if M. Henry is no longer
the right minister, his successor should be asked after crossing one's
fingers).
A typical case is this map

that can be obtained from here   (tag
Visualisez) (or otherwise).
What can exactly be done with it, especially the +++ borderlines beside
not printing it?
Compare it with others, help understanding others, correcting others,
... or, if, like the SPW secret, "être copiées et reproduites de manière
excessive" is not what OSM is doing?
I'd like to know that, as a contributor of 5000 km of very precisely
mapped Walloon borders, who would rectify other borders 10, 25, 50 m off
their location, I started with a 250m shift in Banneux.

The IGN/NGI is a most important source of information indeed.
Thanks.  Keep us informed.

Cheers

André.


>
> Best regards,
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le dim 6 sep 2015 à 21:45, André Pirard  a
> écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> In their now official Cartesius project
>> , IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI et al.
>> too are now using OpenStreetMap
>>  (click
>> Basemap).
>>
>> It would have been surprising that NGI did not display the OSM ©
>> notice ;-)
>> Please notice that they reproduce without a frown the OSM mapping of
>> the so-called © NGI boundaries that we "cannot copy yet" (belonging
>> to the various successive governments (French and Belgian mainly)) !
>>
>> Cheers ,
>>
>> André.
>>
>>

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI too now using OpenStreetMap

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Dear

In March, I have met the directeur général adjoint of IGN during a 
meeting about GIS in Belgium where I represented the OSM.BE team (Ben 
had been invited too and I have coordinated with him) and he let me 
know that he would be willing to share data with us.


We could prepare to go and meet officially (as the OSM-be 
representatives) IGN to discussi licences, compatibility and mutual 
help.


Who is interested ?

Best regards,

Nicolas

Le dim 6 sep 2015 à 21:45, André Pirard  a 
écrit :

Hi,

In their now official Cartesius project, IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI et al. too 
are now using OpenStreetMap (click Basemap).


It would have been surprising that NGI did not display the OSM © 
notice ;-)
Please notice that they reproduce without a frown the OSM mapping of 
the so-called © NGI boundaries that we "cannot copy yet" (belonging 
to the various successive governments (French and Belgian mainly)) !


Cheers ,

André.

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[OSM-talk-be] IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI too now using OpenStreetMap

[André Pirard]

Hi,

In their now official Cartesius project
, IGN/NGI/NGI/NGI et al. too
are now using OpenStreetMap
 (click Basemap).

It would have been surprising that NGI did not display the OSM © notice ;-)
Please notice that they reproduce without a frown the OSM mapping of the
so-called © NGI boundaries that we "cannot copy yet" (belonging to the
various successive governments (French and Belgian mainly)) !

Cheers ,

André.



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