[OSM-talk-be] Tagging of a large slab of concrete with many bus routes going over it

2010-10-07 Thread Jo
What follows are the reactions of 2 people on talk-be, regarding my
question. I know Ivodeb is not happy with how I tried to solve the marriage
between proper rendering of normal maps and maps of bus routes. We'd need a
separate tag for indicating that these 'roads' are not actually there, but
they are more like 'virtual pathways' of where the vehicles are likely to
travel across such a wide road, devoid of lanes.

Please let me know what you think. Ivodeb would also like to see two oneway
streets between the platforms, but there too, there is only a wide slab of
concrete. I could add them to the multipolygon, ofc, but that's completely
breaking with how OSM used to map. Maybe it's the way to go, though.

So three main possibilities:
1. map only what's really there. Result: ugly bus routes
2. do it halfbaked, like it's now.
3. go completely nuts with the virtual pathways and add the spaces between
the platforms to the multipolygon as well. Result: really clear and smooth
bus routes.

Jo


Hi,

I'm working on the bus terminal of Leuven in Belgium.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.882181lon=4.714964zoom=18layers=M

There is a triangular shaped slab of concrete with an island, the bus
terminal is right next to it. I created many 'ways' that are not exactly
there, but in order to create contiguous relations they are needed.

My biggest beef with the rendering are all those little one way arrows. So I
already took them away, but somebody else insists on putting them back...

What I did with the multipolygon conveys what's actually there. All the
virtual ways are paths across the concrete in order to get a nice picture
when rendering the bus routes. It seems like a good compromise, but I'm at a
loss about whether it's the right way to map the whole area.

Thanks for your input.


Jo
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The Mapnik rendering is not perfect, and one of its imperfections is
its over-display of one-way arrows. That's a problem for the renderer
to fix, I'm afraid.

I think you always need ways, even if they are covered by an area, so
your approach strikes me as just fine.

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 On 04/10/2010 18:39, Jo wrote:


 My biggest beef with the rendering are all those little one way arrows.


Who cares about that when you got seven pubs adjacent to each other!  :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tagging of a large slab of concrete with many bus routes going over it

2010-10-07 Thread Ben Laenen
Jo wrote:
 What follows are the reactions of 2 people on talk-be, regarding my
 question. I know Ivodeb is not happy with how I tried to solve the marriage
 between proper rendering of normal maps and maps of bus routes. We'd need a
 separate tag for indicating that these 'roads' are not actually there, but
 they are more like 'virtual pathways' of where the vehicles are likely to
 travel across such a wide road, devoid of lanes.

Whenever I encounter a virtual path for for example a cycle route or a 
walking route crossing a big pedestrian square, I draw an extra way, with just 
the tag route=bicycle or route=foot (no highway tags) which shows how 
you'd walk or drive over it, and I add that way to the relation.


 Please let me know what you think. Ivodeb would also like to see two oneway
 streets between the platforms, but there too, there is only a wide slab of
 concrete. I could add them to the multipolygon, ofc, but that's completely
 breaking with how OSM used to map. Maybe it's the way to go, though.

Not sure if I understand this situation correctly, but if there is no division 
between the two directions, then it should be one way.

Greetings
Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tagging of a large slab of concrete with many bus routes going over it

2010-10-07 Thread Jo
2010/10/7 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com

 Jo wrote:
  What follows are the reactions of 2 people on talk-be, regarding my
  question. I know Ivodeb is not happy with how I tried to solve the
 marriage
  between proper rendering of normal maps and maps of bus routes. We'd need
 a
  separate tag for indicating that these 'roads' are not actually there,
 but
  they are more like 'virtual pathways' of where the vehicles are likely to
  travel across such a wide road, devoid of lanes.

 Whenever I encounter a virtual path for for example a cycle route or a
 walking route crossing a big pedestrian square, I draw an extra way, with
 just
 the tag route=bicycle or route=foot (no highway tags) which shows how
 you'd walk or drive over it, and I add that way to the relation.


  Please let me know what you think. Ivodeb would also like to see two
 oneway
  streets between the platforms, but there too, there is only a wide slab
 of
  concrete. I could add them to the multipolygon, ofc, but that's
 completely
  breaking with how OSM used to map. Maybe it's the way to go, though.

 Not sure if I understand this situation correctly, but if there is no
 division
 between the two directions, then it should be one way.

 Greetings
 Ben


Please have a look at that last sentence again. I don't think it says what
you wanted it to say. Removing the highway tags may well be the solution I
was looking for.
Could you have a look at the actual link? It became a real 'work of art' :-)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.882181lon=4.714964zoom=18layers=M

Thanks,

Jo
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