Re: [OSM-talk-be] Workshop Trage Wegen - short report
THank you very much Wouter fot this good and interesting report. 2011/6/19 Wouter Hamelinck wouter.hameli...@gmail.com: After a short lunch break we went out to do some tracking. Most of us went on to discover the paths around Haaltert. Polyglot showed a great interest in house numbers which caused the local people to alert the police about this suspect activity. does this mean that the inhabitants did not like that the people passing by write their house number ? Have I well understood ? I finished with a short demonstration of Potlatch and JOSM. Unfortunately there was a lack of time to let the attendees experiment a lot with their own data. good to know. Could you give us some idea about the timing you had = what did take how much time ? For this reason I have limited my edits this far to the region where the others did not go. I will keep an eye on the evolution the coming days. +1 There was a very positive response from the people of the vzw Trage Wegen. They have a lot of data and have problems to make it public. very good. They see a lot of possibilities in OSM at the very minimum to use it as a background layer. They intend to recreate there website, with a new site that should be more map-oriented and e.g. allows visitors to draw the trage wegen/voies lentes by themselves. hope fully this could lead to some other easy ways to enter data in OSM. A few problems: * A lot of their data is based on NGI-data and hence not directly usable in OSM how are these data based on NGI data ? copied, inspered ? Could this be used as one way to go to NGI and ask them for a specific limited access to some of their data in a way that would be compatible with OSM . * They are very hesitating to redo all the work they have done this far. this is understandable. This support the idea of 1/ open-standard to encode the data 2/ have the data free right from the beginning ! Some automation should be needed. (Will need follow-up) * The editors are intimidating for not-very-computer-minded people. According to me it would be good to have an a to z explanation with the minimum knowledge for specific interests. This means a full description from creating an OSM-account and recording tracks to the tags needed (in the case of trage wegen/voies lentes just track/path/footway/cycleway would in fact be enough, they don't care a lot about the rest) in one file or one page on the wiki. I think I'll give that a shot. Good idea to have very short films to sho how to do something with OSM, specifically explaining the points that interest these people. Major opportunity: they are very eager to distribute the data that they have. In that point of view we are completely at the same wavelength. +10 THanks again Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Workshop Trage Wegen - short report
does this mean that the inhabitants did not like that the people passing by write their house number ? Have I well understood ? Some inhabitants saw a group of people taking pictures of houses and called the police because they thought it was suspect. I know this because a bit later on (after the group had split up and most of us were somewhere in the fields) a passing police patrol stopped me when they saw me with a camera and gps in my hands. They asked what I was doing, I gave them an explanation etc. They have written down my identity and I even gave them my mobile phone number if they would need more information. If you intended to burglar some houses in Haaltert, please don't. I might be rather high on the list of suspects. Higher than I like anyhow. Could you give us some idea about the timing you had = what did take how much time ? Time for the workshop was from 10am to 4pm. I started a bit late (hard to get an internet connection there) let's say at 10.15. My whole explanation and demonstrations of use have taken about 1.5 hours. Then had the lunch. By the time we went out, where sure that the gps devices (including some that I am totally not used to) had tracking on etc and were actually moving it was 1pm (based on my track). We met again at our starting point at 2.45 pm. Let's say that I had one hour to demonstrate the use of both editors. how are these data based on NGI data ? copied, inspered ? Could this be used as one way to go to NGI and ask them for a specific limited access to some of their data in a way that would be compatible with OSM . Normally they use a topographical map (NGI 1:10.000) as a base layer and draw lines on that where the the buurtwegen/chemins vicinaux are supposed to be. Example of the kind of maps that are hidden somewhere on their website: http://www.trage-wegen-lijn.be/downloads/Haaltert/Evaluatiekaart%20Denderhoutem_LR.pdf Legality of the distribution of those maps: we haven't been thinking a lot about that For the use as a base layer for they own work they have an agreement with NGI. It certainly helps them that nearly all of their projects are supported (financially and materially) by authorities (community or province). wouter -- Wie niet in zichzelf gelooft, komt nergens. - Thor Heyerdahl ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Workshop Trage Wegen - short report
Thank you Wouter for the good and interesting presentation. For an actual workshop, where people can actually become active entering data, I think it'd take 2-3 hours all by itself. I was taking photographs of house numbers. I'm always careful not to include names or license plates on my pictures. People have asked me what I was doing before, usually mentioning an uprise of break ins as the reason. I never managed to get the police mobilised, probably because I explain people what it's all about when I'm approached. Maybe the fact that we were a group worked intimidating as well. Wouter, you had many before and after images of cities. Will there be a before and after of Haaltert as well? I'm not quite done yet, but I think the difference will be noticeable. I'm also staying away from the Trage Wegen, that I didn't map myself for the moment. Hopefully some of the participants will enter them. Cheers, Polyglot 2011/6/19 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be THank you very much Wouter fot this good and interesting report. 2011/6/19 Wouter Hamelinck wouter.hameli...@gmail.com: After a short lunch break we went out to do some tracking. Most of us went on to discover the paths around Haaltert. Polyglot showed a great interest in house numbers which caused the local people to alert the police about this suspect activity. does this mean that the inhabitants did not like that the people passing by write their house number ? Have I well understood ? I finished with a short demonstration of Potlatch and JOSM. Unfortunately there was a lack of time to let the attendees experiment a lot with their own data. good to know. Could you give us some idea about the timing you had = what did take how much time ? For this reason I have limited my edits this far to the region where the others did not go. I will keep an eye on the evolution the coming days. +1 There was a very positive response from the people of the vzw Trage Wegen. They have a lot of data and have problems to make it public. very good. They see a lot of possibilities in OSM at the very minimum to use it as a background layer. They intend to recreate there website, with a new site that should be more map-oriented and e.g. allows visitors to draw the trage wegen/voies lentes by themselves. hope fully this could lead to some other easy ways to enter data in OSM. A few problems: * A lot of their data is based on NGI-data and hence not directly usable in OSM how are these data based on NGI data ? copied, inspered ? Could this be used as one way to go to NGI and ask them for a specific limited access to some of their data in a way that would be compatible with OSM . * They are very hesitating to redo all the work they have done this far. this is understandable. This support the idea of 1/ open-standard to encode the data 2/ have the data free right from the beginning ! Some automation should be needed. (Will need follow-up) * The editors are intimidating for not-very-computer-minded people. According to me it would be good to have an a to z explanation with the minimum knowledge for specific interests. This means a full description from creating an OSM-account and recording tracks to the tags needed (in the case of trage wegen/voies lentes just track/path/footway/cycleway would in fact be enough, they don't care a lot about the rest) in one file or one page on the wiki. I think I'll give that a shot. Good idea to have very short films to sho how to do something with OSM, specifically explaining the points that interest these people. Major opportunity: they are very eager to distribute the data that they have. In that point of view we are completely at the same wavelength. +10 THanks again Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Workshop Trage Wegen - short report
I was taking photographs of house numbers. I'm always careful not to include names or license plates on my pictures. People have asked me what I was doing before, usually mentioning an uprise of break ins as the reason. I never managed to get the police mobilised, probably because I explain people what it's all about when I'm approached. Maybe the fact that we were a group worked intimidating as well. Anyhow, I am very glad that they stopped one of us and not one of the other participants of the workshop. Wouter, you had many before and after images of cities. Will there be a before and after of Haaltert as well? Those were taken from the wiki pages of those cities. I should check if I still have an old image of Haaltert. Making the after image is easy of course. wouter -- Wie niet in zichzelf gelooft, komt nergens. - Thor Heyerdahl ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
