Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
I think the only one who can take legal actions in OSM data is the OSM Foundation. As you sign their terms of service when you start using the service. Anyway, maybe it's not a bad idea to set up the monitoring a bit more organised. I'm monitoring this bounding box: http://osm.org/?box=yesbbox=2.89,50.87,3.29,51.01 It would be nice to gather who's monitoring which area, so we know every area is monitored. I also always check names I see for the first time, never seen real vandalism, but often seen mistakes like non-connected roads, or tagging for the renderer. Greets, Sander 2013/5/18 Jo winfi...@gmail.com I sent Henning the following link: http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_loi/loi_a1.pl?language=nlla=Ntable_name=wetcn=1867060801caller=listNfromtab=wettri=dd+AS+RANKrech=1numero=1sql=%28text+contains+%28%27%27%29%29#Art.550bis referring him to Art.550ter. I don't think we have anything more specific, although that should be sufficient to make vandals think twice, I guess/hope. I tried to get a direct link to the paragraph on the French page, but didn't succeed. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
I'm checking the area of Antwerp for strange edits. Not as vigorously as I once used to though -- I used to check every edit made in the area but that's just too much work for too little time :-) Using itoworld gives a great view to know what's happening around the area pretty quickly http://www.itoworld.com/map/131?lon=4.42692lat=51.19332zoom=11fullscreen=true (or one of the other maps for recent edits: http://www.itoworld.com/map/group/20 ) Tx for that link, didn't know about this one. Very handy stuff, exactly what I need to realise I haven't been editing for some time :) Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
On 05/17/2013 09:44 AM, Julien Fastré wrote: Hello, My forêt question is: will the belgian law apply? Julien Envoyé depuis mon téléphone Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi, I received a question from Henning from the DWG asking whether we have legislation in Belgium which can be used to warn off people committing vandalism on our data. There is somebody in Belgium who thinks it's funny to use highways to draw letters and symbols over the map: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Vandalism_20130516.png Jo Best action is to swiftly get his ID blocked using the appropriate channels or in IRC, this gets done quickly when requested. This will probably happen another 2/3 times and then he will give up. The most important thing is stop him before he starts to have fun. Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
It would be nice to have a way to get notified of e.g. the ten first edits of a user in a certain area Right now, I monitor an area from Antwerp to Mechelen and Sint-Niklaas to Lier for all changes via http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox=4.10,51.00,4.67,51.30 For new names I take a closer look at what they did. When Polyglot passes by I skip the changelist :-) I do this since a couple of months and haven't seen anything irregular so far. A couple of newcomers using Id over the past week. m On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: Is this the first time we have this problem? Maybe it is a sign that the visibility of OSM in Belgium is finally increasing a bit! :-) Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com http://twitter.com/xivk On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.bewrote: On 05/17/2013 09:44 AM, Julien Fastré wrote: Hello, My forêt question is: will the belgian law apply? Julien Envoyé depuis mon téléphone Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi, I received a question from Henning from the DWG asking whether we have legislation in Belgium which can be used to warn off people committing vandalism on our data. There is somebody in Belgium who thinks it's funny to use highways to draw letters and symbols over the map: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/File:Vandalism_20130516.**pnghttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Vandalism_20130516.png Jo Best action is to swiftly get his ID blocked using the appropriate channels or in IRC, this gets done quickly when requested. This will probably happen another 2/3 times and then he will give up. The most important thing is stop him before he starts to have fun. Glenn __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
He received 1 block so far: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Evoluon/edits He did 20 changesets, looks like http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aighes is on his heels. Last is from yesterday. Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
It's user aighes who asked me the question. Probably to have some more leverage. It seems to work in Germany to scare them off by threathening with legal repercussions. Jo 2013/5/17 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be He received 1 block so far: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Evoluon/edits He did 20 changesets, looks like http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aighesis on his heels. Last is from yesterday. Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
2013/5/17 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com It would be nice to have a way to get notified of e.g. the ten first edits of a user in a certain area Indeed. Right now, I monitor an area from Antwerp to Mechelen and Sint-Niklaas to Lier for all changes via http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox=4.10,51.00,4.67,51.30 For new names I take a closer look at what they did. When Polyglot passes by I skip the changelist :-) Don't tell me my changesets are too big... I try to keep them smaller than a few months ago, but I also try to not overflow the history with many small changes. I do wonder what is going to happen once we'll start integrating all that wonderful UrbIS data we have at our disposal now... Pnorman has been irritating the French while they were adding the data from their cadastre (and vice versa, I'm sure :-) Oddly nobody blocked me yet for adding hundreds and hundreds of bus stops, but then each and every one is vetted manually and there are other improvements as well. I do this since a couple of months and haven't seen anything irregular so far. A couple of newcomers using Id over the past week. I'm glad there are not all too many actual vandals on OSM. They became a real plague on Wiktionary and probably still are. I gave up on moderating there. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
Jo, I do this since a couple of months and haven't seen anything irregular so far. A couple of newcomers using Id over the past week. I'm glad there are not all too many actual vandals on OSM. They became a real plague on Wiktionary and probably still are. I gave up on moderating there. I'm not going to stop doing this , don't think you will either, so eventually, this is just an annoyance to be dealt with, as long as we take care of it, they will come and go. We are here to stay I think. It will keep us sharp! Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?
Don't tell me my changesets are too big... I try to keep them smaller than a few months ago, but I also try to not overflow the history with many small changes. No, it's just that I know you're not a vandal :-) although ... dropping all those bus icons all over the map :-) On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/5/17 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com It would be nice to have a way to get notified of e.g. the ten first edits of a user in a certain area Indeed. Right now, I monitor an area from Antwerp to Mechelen and Sint-Niklaas to Lier for all changes via http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/scripts/rss.php?bbox=4.10,51.00,4.67,51.30 For new names I take a closer look at what they did. When Polyglot passes by I skip the changelist :-) Don't tell me my changesets are too big... I try to keep them smaller than a few months ago, but I also try to not overflow the history with many small changes. I do wonder what is going to happen once we'll start integrating all that wonderful UrbIS data we have at our disposal now... Pnorman has been irritating the French while they were adding the data from their cadastre (and vice versa, I'm sure :-) Oddly nobody blocked me yet for adding hundreds and hundreds of bus stops, but then each and every one is vetted manually and there are other improvements as well. I do this since a couple of months and haven't seen anything irregular so far. A couple of newcomers using Id over the past week. I'm glad there are not all too many actual vandals on OSM. They became a real plague on Wiktionary and probably still are. I gave up on moderating there. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
