Re: [OSM-talk-be] road signs plugin customization
On 2013-10-06 17:48, Glenn Plas wrote : EN: Hi, I'm in the process of creating a Belgian settings file for this great plug-in. Thanks, but I think that we should first finish Road signs in Belgium http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium and other parts of the international wiki, otherwise the taggers will have to do the same job twice to revise their work and they won't. I suppose it's a JOSM plugin, but unfortunately most taggers are using Potlatch and this is otherwise a problem by itself. As I said, I'm trying to write a general document about these matters, I'd like to devote most of my time to it rather than participate to more discussions right now. Cheers, André. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] road signs plugin customization
On 2013-10-07 13:01, André Pirard wrote: On 2013-10-06 17:48, Glenn Plas wrote : EN: Hi, I'm in the process of creating a Belgian settings file for this great plug-in. Thanks, but I think that we should first finish Road signs in Belgium http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium and other parts of the international wiki, otherwise the taggers will have to do the same job twice to revise their work and they won't. I suppose it's a JOSM plugin, but unfortunately most taggers are using Potlatch and this is otherwise a problem by itself. As I said, I'm trying to write a general document about these matters, I'd like to devote most of my time to it rather than participate to more discussions right now. You fail to see the point of the tool, which is only natural when you don't even take a look at it yet judge People spend hours in the wiki to find tags for a sign. Probably the reason why people to do to much traffic_sign entries. This plugin offers a way to intuitively tag a section with those signs in mind, in 2 clicks you can tag a way , read the wiki explainations right inside the tool when you click a familiar road sign. Also a help text, displaying the meaning of certain signs according to the law and my best effort to keep it updated an correct, and tranlated. I'm making it for myself anyway, so I keep my tagging consistent, just offering to share it. The wiki is a maze of deprecated and new pages, I'm so greatful they actually redirect you to -whatever new tagging scheme has been voted by 25 people last week- It's good it is there, but I want to spend quality time in JOSM, not in the wiki. Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] road signs plugin customization
On Sunday 06 October 2013 17:48:05 Glenn Plas wrote: I'm in the process of creating a Belgian settings file for this great plug-in. It would be a perfect tool to distil the common knowledge and tagging habits in our little country. I've done this in the past already (but half-assed ) but it's time to finish the work. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RoadSigns for more information Great, but we still need to actually end the discussion on how to tag everything first. Or we'll end up with competing plugins... Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] road signs plugin customization
On 2013-10-06 19:15, Ben Laenen wrote: On Sunday 06 October 2013 17:48:05 Glenn Plas wrote: I'm in the process of creating a Belgian settings file for this great plug-in. It would be a perfect tool to distil the common knowledge and tagging habits in our little country. I've done this in the past already (but half-assed ) but it's time to finish the work. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/RoadSigns for more information Great, but we still need to actually end the discussion on how to tag everything first. Or we'll end up with competing plugins... What plugin ? I know of none that do what this does. I think the tool will help the discussion. I'm just creating our translated/modded version that applies to our road code. It's easy to begin with the basis tags , for instance: access=no , then later when adding subsigns for C3 like uitzgezonderd bus , you need to get creative and check the wiki to find out this would have to be added : key=access:bus value=yes I won't be checking in any files until they are ok. It will sure help beginners to map this, I spend hours in the wiki trying to translate that into the settings. But seriously , End the discussion on how to tag everything ? You have too much spare time :) Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] road signs plugin customization
On Sunday 06 October 2013 19:31:47 Glenn Plas wrote: What plugin ? I know of none that do what this does. I know none exists right now, but if you start making some controversial decisions other plugins can appear. I once tried making a webpage once though where you could just click the signs and it would translate them into pages. It was actually working as well, but it had to use some experimental and self- invented tags to handle the complex access restrictions (like goods vehicles above 5 tons only allowed between 7am and 12pm for loading and unloading). Was actually a tool to think about those complex restrictions rather than Belgian tags. The tagging method for complex restrictions has grown up now and since it's not the same as the one I used, the page is no longer found anywhere. I can still dig it up if someone wants to take a look, it's all javascript and svg and didn't work with Internet Explorer at all :-) Just don't look to hard at it as some things were just wrong... I think the tool will help the discussion. I'm just creating our translated/modded version that applies to our road code. It's easy to begin with the basis tags , for instance: access=no , then later when adding subsigns for C3 like uitzgezonderd bus , you need to get creative and check the wiki to find out this would have to be added : key=access:bus value=yes I won't be checking in any files until they are ok. It will sure help beginners to map this, I spend hours in the wiki trying to translate that into the settings. But seriously , End the discussion on how to tag everything ? You have too much spare time :) I know, I've dwelt way too deep into this over the years and the things I could do if I get all those hours discussing back :-) . It's always been one of my goals in OSM to get access tags sorted out in a good and working way. I certainly could have picked an easier topic because everyone has their own ideas and they often are completely incompatible. Ranging from: tag everything explicitely, all the way to: don't tag anything with access tags, just tag what signs there are and let some tools do the translation. I've not given up yet. But even if it never leads to a result, I certainly learned a lot about our traffic code :-) Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] road signs plugin customization
On 2013-10-06 19:56, Ben Laenen wrote: On Sunday 06 October 2013 19:31:47 Glenn Plas wrote: What plugin ? I know of none that do what this does. I know none exists right now, but if you start making some controversial decisions other plugins can appear. I once tried making a webpage once though where you could just click the signs and it would translate them into pages. It was actually working as well, but it had to use some experimental and self- invented tags to handle the complex access restrictions (like goods vehicles above 5 tons only allowed between 7am and 12pm for loading and unloading). Was actually a tool to think about those complex restrictions rather than Belgian tags. The tagging method for complex restrictions has grown up now and since it's not the same as the one I used, the page is no longer found anywhere. I can still dig it up if someone wants to take a look, it's all javascript and svg and didn't work with Internet Explorer at all :-) Just don't look to hard at it as some things were just wrong... I'll be sticking to the current wiki information, so won't be inventing new tags to cover specials or make it too complex.I just need to stay in the loop with the current tagging habits. . But seriously , End the discussion on how to tag everything ? You have too much spare time :) I know, I've dwelt way too deep into this over the years and the things I could do if I get all those hours discussing back :-) . It's always been one of my goals in OSM to get access tags sorted out in a good and working way. I certainly could have picked an easier topic because everyone has their own ideas and they often are completely incompatible. Ranging from: tag everything explicitely, all the way to: don't tag anything with access tags, just tag what signs there are and let some tools do the translation. I've not given up yet. But even if it never leads to a result, I certainly learned a lot about our traffic code :-) Ben That last sentence sounds very familiar, it's an amazing maze ... very SM'ish of us isn't it :) I think what this tool produces in tags isn't too controversial anyway. I'm just mapping the wiki knowledge in the settings file for Belgium, it sure saves time looking up things you haven't tagged in the last 6 months. The latest discusssion was about a wrong C3 sign in combination with the road, so this plugin won't help anyway. Maybe we can finally tag this road in the Walloon region when I'm done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkb9soWl90 don't laugh, it's our money wasted Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
