Re: [Talk-ca] Validating existing data in Ottawa area
Thanks for your suggestions for tools to do the work. I reviewed the region N 45.40-.44, W 75.86-92 last night. There were a lot of areas on the west edge of Aylmer, PQ, where the validator complained because land use area boundaries had been partly made up with roads or with sides of adjacent land use areas. I got quite good at snipping away existing connections and creating new ones that made everything disjoint. I do question the objection to land use adjacencies. In the previous block I worked on, I left in place an adjacency between landuse=water and landuse=wetlands, because it made sense to do so. The Aylmer region is missing a number of roads shown on CanVec, and has a lot of unnamed roads. One area done on the basis of Bing is misaligned by up to 15 meters with the CanVec image. Rotation as well as translation is involved. I'll probably take a drive to that area and sort things out, but it really seems like some importing from CanVec is needed. That is especially so for the administrative boundary of Aylmer, which is marked with a note saying it is very approximate. Besides, I'm trying to remember if Aylmer got incorporated into the new city of Gatineau. Lots to do. Tom Taylor ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Validating existing data in Ottawa area
Tom, I've been doing some manual work on Aylmer based on Bing imagery and my own traces. I suspect that every urban road has been messed with by me at some point over the past couple of years. Let me know where your concerns are. I'm really reluctant to contemplate a CanVec import overtop work based on imagery and GPS traces. Aylmer is part of Gatineau. -- Jonathan Crowe http://www.jonathancrowe.net ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Validating existing data in Ottawa area
OK, the particular spot I was concerned about for misalignment was above Alexandria Bay. It's a little neighbourhood off Ch. Lattion, including R. de la Spartan, R. de la Lobo, and R. de la Cortland. CanVec shows R. de la Sparta running further north and another street or two coming off it. One of us really needs to run a GPS trace through there. Further west a number of the streets are lacking names. Surely you'll need CanVec, if only to get the administrative boundaries of Gatineau. Is the region broken down into sub-regions, so Aylmer continues to exist? I'll add that I know how to get CanVec as images in JOSM, but I don't know how to get the encoded data. On 03/12/2012 10:08 AM, Jonathan Crowe wrote: Tom, I've been doing some manual work on Aylmer based on Bing imagery and my own traces. I suspect that every urban road has been messed with by me at some point over the past couple of years. Let me know where your concerns are. I'm really reluctant to contemplate a CanVec import overtop work based on imagery and GPS traces. Aylmer is part of Gatineau. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Validating existing data in Ottawa area
Tom For the Québec municipalities administrative boundaries there were discussions on this list about a month ago. We plan to import at once using data from government of Québec. I communicated with the government Données libres site and wait for their approval. Pierre De : Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com À : Jonathan Crowe jonathan.cr...@gmail.com Cc : talk-ca@openstreetmap.org talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 3 décembre 2012 10h26 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Validating existing data in Ottawa area OK, the particular spot I was concerned about for misalignment was above Alexandria Bay. It's a little neighbourhood off Ch. Lattion, including R. de la Spartan, R. de la Lobo, and R. de la Cortland. CanVec shows R. de la Sparta running further north and another street or two coming off it. One of us really needs to run a GPS trace through there. Further west a number of the streets are lacking names. Surely you'll need CanVec, if only to get the administrative boundaries of Gatineau. Is the region broken down into sub-regions, so Aylmer continues to exist? I'll add that I know how to get CanVec as images in JOSM, but I don't know how to get the encoded data. On 03/12/2012 10:08 AM, Jonathan Crowe wrote: Tom, I've been doing some manual work on Aylmer based on Bing imagery and my own traces. I suspect that every urban road has been messed with by me at some point over the past couple of years. Let me know where your concerns are. I'm really reluctant to contemplate a CanVec import overtop work based on imagery and GPS traces. Aylmer is part of Gatineau. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Autoroute 50 Gatineau - Thurso
Suite à la complétion de l'autoroute 50 en Outaouis, je constate qu'il y a encore une zone près de Buckingham où l'autoroute est uniquement à deux voix. En parallèle, on voit une section de route en construction. Est-ce que ça correspond à la réalité? Ou au contraire, est-ce que l'autoroute est complétée avec dans chaque direction un segment de deux voies? Pierre ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: Autoroute 50 Gatineau - Thurso
Forgot to cc the group. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jonathan Crowe jonathan.cr...@gmail.com Date: 2012/12/3 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Autoroute 50 Gatineau - Thurso To: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr C'était moi qui l'ai fait. C'est une route proposée (highway=proposed) et non en construction (highway=construction). J'étais capable d'y placer : dans les images de haute resolution, la location probable de la deuxième voie était évident. Je n'ai aucune information sur la commencement de la construction de cette deuxième voie. 2012/12/3 Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr Suite à la complétion de l'autoroute 50 en Outaouis, je constate qu'il y a encore une zone près de Buckingham où l'autoroute est uniquement à deux voix. En parallèle, on voit une section de route en construction. Est-ce que ça correspond à la réalité? Ou au contraire, est-ce que l'autoroute est complétée avec dans chaque direction un segment de deux voies? Pierre ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Jonathan Crowe http://www.jonathancrowe.net -- Jonathan Crowe http://www.jonathancrowe.net ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Validating existing data in Ottawa area
In my experience the addr:interpolation ways imported from CanVec do not have reliable geometries, particularly in new subdivisions in Aylmer. (See, for example, the new stuff near Wilfrid-Lavigne, at the far north end of the neighbourhood.) It's not just a matter of being shifted over a few metres. I coded the very approximate Aylmer boundary myself (knowledge: unreliable best guess) as a suburb of Gatineau, which itself is not shown yet on the map. Looking forward to the boundary data for Quebec. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.comwrote: OK, the particular spot I was concerned about for misalignment was above Alexandria Bay. It's a little neighbourhood off Ch. Lattion, including R. de la Spartan, R. de la Lobo, and R. de la Cortland. CanVec shows R. de la Sparta running further north and another street or two coming off it. One of us really needs to run a GPS trace through there. Further west a number of the streets are lacking names. Surely you'll need CanVec, if only to get the administrative boundaries of Gatineau. Is the region broken down into sub-regions, so Aylmer continues to exist? I'll add that I know how to get CanVec as images in JOSM, but I don't know how to get the encoded data. On 03/12/2012 10:08 AM, Jonathan Crowe wrote: Tom, I've been doing some manual work on Aylmer based on Bing imagery and my own traces. I suspect that every urban road has been messed with by me at some point over the past couple of years. Let me know where your concerns are. I'm really reluctant to contemplate a CanVec import overtop work based on imagery and GPS traces. Aylmer is part of Gatineau. -- Jonathan Crowe http://www.jonathancrowe.net ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OSM PEI Canada
Hi Folks I'm new to the OSM - using my Nexus 7 Android device I find that depending on the program you use, you get different results. All these programs are using the Open Street Map - some have no POI, City name, etc while others appear to be better. My observation are for Prince Edward Island, Canada. Free Android Apps NavFree - with OSM Canada 2012 Postcodes Canada -Is really poor, few city name's, no POI, missing lots of streets, etc OSMAnd - using OSM prince-edward-island northamerica OSM map - has alot of POI, street names, etc... So my assumption that OSM for PEI Canada was missing alot of data may not be correct - just that some companies maybe using only a subset of the available data. What is the best tool on Andriod or Windows to do some verification of the OSM maps for Prince Edward Island? The Province has alot of GIS data that could be imported into OSM - but they use a different format ie: NTX and I don't know how to convert NTX to OSM format? Danny ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OSM PEI Canada
Hi Danny, The apps you mention could be doing a variety of things with the data…. they may have old data, and as you say they may only be rendering certain things to their tiles (I'm assuming that they're rendering their own tile data). The beauty of OSM is that the data can be there in the OSM db - but you get to pick and choose what to render for your use case. PEI is probably missing lots of data, which could equally be true for any other location. That's part of the the fun - adding useful stuff to it. I'm not aware of great tools for Android - but JOSM ( http://josm.openstreetmap.de ) on a PC/Mac is a great tool for seeing what's actually available in the OSM data. It can be fairly complex. As for the province having lots of data - yes it does. But we have to be careful what data we import into OSM - that's a fairly complex thing. I wouldn't go importing things into the database until the community has reached a consensus on the data you wish to import. It's great that you want to get involved, and it's great that you're asking questions. Perhaps we could go for a coffee and I can help point you in the right direction for a bunch of OSM stuff. Best wishes Bob On 2012-12-03, at 8:44 PM, Danny Lane lane...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks I'm new to the OSM - using my Nexus 7 Android device I find that depending on the program you use, you get different results. All these programs are using the Open Street Map - some have no POI, City name, etc while others appear to be better. My observation are for Prince Edward Island, Canada. Free Android Apps NavFree - with OSM Canada 2012 Postcodes Canada -Is really poor, few city name's, no POI, missing lots of streets, etc OSMAnd - using OSM prince-edward-island northamerica OSM map - has alot of POI, street names, etc... So my assumption that OSM for PEI Canada was missing alot of data may not be correct - just that some companies maybe using only a subset of the available data. What is the best tool on Andriod or Windows to do some verification of the OSM maps for Prince Edward Island? The Province has alot of GIS data that could be imported into OSM - but they use a different format ie: NTX and I don't know how to convert NTX to OSM format? Danny ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
