Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Duncan Hill]

I think the most practical and easiest thing to do would be to have a
trusted community member control it. I'm sure that we can come up with some
measures to ensure that we can contact the domain owner when necessary.


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> I wonder what a divorce layer would say about this!  If there were
> disagreements at some point, how could we assure that we control our domain?
>
> To this regard, I would prefer a solution where osm-ca domain is not
> controlled of OSMF.
>
> Pierre
>
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> *De :* Fabian Rodriguez 
> *À :* Darryl Shpak 
> *Cc :* Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 25 mars 2013 16h45
> *Objet :* Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca
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> On 2013-03-25 10:33, Darryl Shpak wrote:
> > Good morning everyone,
> >
> > For the last several years I've owned the domain openstreetmap.ca.
> > [..]
>
> > So: I am just about to renew this domain for another year. I would
> > like to pass control of the domain over to the Canadian mapping
> > community, to someone who will do something -- anything! -- with it
> > that will be beneficial to Canadian users and/or mappers.
>
> Hello Darryl,
>
> Thanks for bringing up this resource on the list.
>
> If no one else has a better proposal, I'd like to offer the assistance
> of FACIL (http://facil.qc.ca) in managing this. I welcome any other
> members of this list to join me in this offer.
>
> FACIL is a non-profit based in Quebec province, doing advocacy for
> free open source software - these days we primarily focus on the
> government here in Quebec.
>
> I am sitting on the board as VP and we have a few competent admin
> resources, we have been reorganizing some of the hosting and content
> managament resources succesfully. We recently launched an internal
> ticket system and have access to free hosting via Koumbit.org.
>
> I also have access to other resources as a member of the Free Software
> Foundation but I believe the OSM project wiki combined with FACIL's
> guidance should be enough for anyone other contributors here to step
> in and add the missing glue.
>
> If nothing else, having FACIL own the domain and pay for it, and
> parking it until a formal project takes place would be logical for now.
>
> Going a bit further, I would at least redirect it to the OSM Canada
> wiki page [1], but that is up to you.
>
> Pending other discussions on this list, I am leaving that offer on the
> table. I have no urgency in adding another project to the many things
> I am involved in, but I can offer those resources now. I suppose some
> consensus will happen here.
>
> Cheers to all,
>
> Fabian
>
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[Talk-ca] Are we the crowd or are we the 1%

[Connors, Bernie (SNB)]

Interesting article:

Is Crowdsourcing Really a Myth?

Dan Woods had an interesting piece in Forbes Magazine last month that labels 
crowdsourcing as a myth. As Dan puts it, the popular press and millions of 
people are deluded in thinking that “there is a crowd that solves problem 
better than individuals.”

http://irevolution.net/2009/10/07/crowdsourcing-myth/

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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Pierre Béland]

I wonder what a divorce layer would say about this!  If there were 
disagreements at some point, how could we assure that we control our domain?


To this regard, I would prefer a solution where osm-ca domain is not controlled 
of OSMF. 
 
Pierre 



>
> De : Fabian Rodriguez 
>À : Darryl Shpak  
>Cc : Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
>Envoyé le : Lundi 25 mars 2013 16h45
>Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca
> 
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>On 2013-03-25 10:33, Darryl Shpak wrote:
>> Good morning everyone,
>> 
>> For the last several years I've owned the domain openstreetmap.ca.
>> [..]
>
>> So: I am just about to renew this domain for another year. I would
>> like to pass control of the domain over to the Canadian mapping
>> community, to someone who will do something -- anything! -- with it
>> that will be beneficial to Canadian users and/or mappers.
>
>Hello Darryl,
>
>Thanks for bringing up this resource on the list.
>
>If no one else has a better proposal, I'd like to offer the assistance
>of FACIL (http://facil.qc.ca) in managing this. I welcome any other
>members of this list to join me in this offer.
>
>FACIL is a non-profit based in Quebec province, doing advocacy for
>free open source software - these days we primarily focus on the
>government here in Quebec.
>
>I am sitting on the board as VP and we have a few competent admin
>resources, we have been reorganizing some of the hosting and content
>managament resources succesfully. We recently launched an internal
>ticket system and have access to free hosting via Koumbit.org.
>
>I also have access to other resources as a member of the Free Software
>Foundation but I believe the OSM project wiki combined with FACIL's
>guidance should be enough for anyone other contributors here to step
>in and add the missing glue.
>
>If nothing else, having FACIL own the domain and pay for it, and
>parking it until a formal project takes place would be logical for now.
>
>Going a bit further, I would at least redirect it to the OSM Canada
>wiki page [1], but that is up to you.
>
>Pending other discussions on this list, I am leaving that offer on the
>table. I have no urgency in adding another project to the many things
>I am involved in, but I can offer those resources now. I suppose some
>consensus will happen here.
>
>Cheers to all,
>
>Fabian
>
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>http://fsf.magicfab.ca
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[AJ Ashton]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Gordon Dewis  wrote:
> CIRA's residency requirements are defined in
> www.cira.ca/assets/Documents/Legal/Registrants/CPR.pdf

Perhaps the OSMF could ask a favour of Her Majesty under section 2(m)

;-)

Alternatively, do (q) or (r) apply?

q) Trade-mark registered in Canada. A Person which does not meet any of the
> foregoing conditions, but which is the owner of a trade-mark which is the
> subject
> of a registration under the Trade-marks Act (Canada) R.S.C. 1985, c.T-13
> as
> amended from time to time, but in this case such permission is limited to
> an
> application to register a .ca domain name consisting of or including the
> exact
> word component of thatregistered trade-mark; or

(r) Official marks. A Person which does not meet any of the foregoing
> conditions,
> but which is a Person intended to be protected by Subsection 9(1) of the
> Trade-
> Marks Act (Canada) at whose request the Registrar of Trade-marks has
> published
> notice of adoption of any badge, crest, emblem, official mark or other mark
> pursuant to Subsection 9(1), but in this case such permission is limited
> to an
> application to register a .ca domain name consisting of or including the
> exact
> word component of such badge, crest, emblem, official mark or other mark in
> respect of which such Person requested publications.


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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Gordon Dewis]

CIRA's residency requirements are defined in 









www.cira.ca/assets/Documents/Legal/Registrants/CPR.pdf 
Cheers!









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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Darryl Shpak  wrote:

> Of all the suggestions offered, OSMF seems like the most natural fit to 
> me. That seems like it would very much keep the domain in the hands of 
> the community, instead of an individual, which would guard against the 
> individual becoming disinterested or unavailable. The biggest roadblock 
> would be if that violated any of CIRA's rules (I'll poke around and see 
> what I can learn).
> And I would LOVE to see a group of community members actually DO 
> something with the domain :-)
> Thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions and assistance! If there 
> are no compelling objections, I will start the transfer of the domain to 
> OSMF in a few days.
> - Darryl
> On 3/27/2013 7:42 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
>> I understand the interest in OSMF holding the openstreetmap.ca 
>>  domain.   To balance that, there is a 
>> requirement that .ca domains be held by some body with a legitimate 
>> interest or residence in Canada.  (Or something like that).  If OSMF 
>> (being a UK not for profit) does not meet that requirement, we're left 
>> with holding on to it for ourselves in some way.
>>
>> I'm all for whatever we decide.  Especially if we can lighten the load 
>> for Daryl, and allow more contribution from the community.
>>
>> Thank you Daryl, for thinking to get the domain when it was available, 
>> and for holding it safely for so long.  I know that you and I talked 
>> about doing something with it a while back, and neither of us did.  I 
>> don't think you've done anything "anti-community" with respect to the 
>> domain.  And I think that starting this conversation amply 
>> demonstrates that you are one of the good guys.
>>
>> So, thanks again!
>>
>> Among the options, for the domain I suppose, are:
>> - investigate getting OSMF to hold it
>> - continue to have a trusted community member hold the domain
>> - allow a trusted company to hold it
>> - form a company to hold it on our behalf
>> - something else(?)
>>
>> I'll ask about OSMF holding it.  And I'd be willing to hold it on 
>> behalf of OSMF and or "the Canadian community"
>>
>> And I'd like to see, as a separate step, a group of us put our heads 
>> and volunteer hours together to actually do something with it.  :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Richard
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Darryl Shpak]

Of all the suggestions offered, OSMF seems like the most natural fit to 
me. That seems like it would very much keep the domain in the hands of 
the community, instead of an individual, which would guard against the 
individual becoming disinterested or unavailable. The biggest roadblock 
would be if that violated any of CIRA's rules (I'll poke around and see 
what I can learn).


And I would LOVE to see a group of community members actually DO 
something with the domain :-)


Thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions and assistance! If there 
are no compelling objections, I will start the transfer of the domain to 
OSMF in a few days.


- Darryl

On 3/27/2013 7:42 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
I understand the interest in OSMF holding the openstreetmap.ca 
 domain.   To balance that, there is a 
requirement that .ca domains be held by some body with a legitimate 
interest or residence in Canada.  (Or something like that).  If OSMF 
(being a UK not for profit) does not meet that requirement, we're left 
with holding on to it for ourselves in some way.


I'm all for whatever we decide.  Especially if we can lighten the load 
for Daryl, and allow more contribution from the community.


Thank you Daryl, for thinking to get the domain when it was available, 
and for holding it safely for so long.  I know that you and I talked 
about doing something with it a while back, and neither of us did.  I 
don't think you've done anything "anti-community" with respect to the 
domain.  And I think that starting this conversation amply 
demonstrates that you are one of the good guys.


So, thanks again!

Among the options, for the domain I suppose, are:
- investigate getting OSMF to hold it
- continue to have a trusted community member hold the domain
- allow a trusted company to hold it
- form a company to hold it on our behalf
- something else(?)

I'll ask about OSMF holding it.  And I'd be willing to hold it on 
behalf of OSMF and or "the Canadian community"


And I'd like to see, as a separate step, a group of us put our heads 
and volunteer hours together to actually do something with it.  :-)


Best regards,
Richard


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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Richard Weait]

I understand the interest in OSMF holding the openstreetmap.ca domain.   To
balance that, there is a requirement that .ca domains be held by some body
with a legitimate interest or residence in Canada.  (Or something like
that).  If OSMF (being a UK not for profit) does not meet that requirement,
we're left with holding on to it for ourselves in some way.

I'm all for whatever we decide.  Especially if we can lighten the load for
Daryl, and allow more contribution from the community.

Thank you Daryl, for thinking to get the domain when it was available, and
for holding it safely for so long.  I know that you and I talked about
doing something with it a while back, and neither of us did.  I don't think
you've done anything "anti-community" with respect to the domain.  And I
think that starting this conversation amply demonstrates that you are one
of the good guys.

So, thanks again!

Among the options, for the domain I suppose, are:
- investigate getting OSMF to hold it
- continue to have a trusted community member hold the domain
- allow a trusted company to hold it
- form a company to hold it on our behalf
- something else(?)

I'll ask about OSMF holding it.  And I'd be willing to hold it on behalf of
OSMF and or "the Canadian community"

And I'd like to see, as a separate step, a group of us put our heads and
volunteer hours together to actually do something with it.  :-)

Best regards,
Richard
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 27-03-13 07:51 , Steve Singer wrote:
> Another proposal is to let OSMF register the domain and have them
> point it at a server with whatever we want to do with it.  If OSMF
> owns the domain they could still point it at a community controlled
> server.
Yes, I'd very much support this. The link between OSM and OSMF is strong.

cheers,
 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Steve Singer]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:


If no one else has a better proposal, I'd like to offer the assistance
of FACIL (http://facil.qc.ca) in managing this. I welcome any other
members of this list to join me in this offer.



Another proposal is to let OSMF register the domain and have them point it 
at a server with whatever we want to do with it.  If OSMF owns the domain 
they could still point it at a community controlled server.


The nice thing about having OSMF host the domain over some other project 
like FACIL is that OSMF is focussed on openstreetmap and we don't have to 
worry about them losing interest in the project (or if they do the community 
has a much bigger re-hosting problem).


* I don't know what policies OSMF has (if any) for domains in cctlds. I am 
hope they would be willing to take over the domain if local community 
asks.


Steve



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