Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
Hi, I'm cc'ing your notice to talk-ca. So the CanMatrix TIFFs, although georeferenced, they are older. However, they can still be used with Merkaarator. For those of you who have been under a rock about Merkaarator, (like me) the editing tool is very good. It allows nice viewing of WMS layers, which seems to be better than JOSM. Whats surprising, is that the area which is the Capital Region District boundary, as well as the backroads are actually available. This significant for ALL of Canada, because it means that there is no need to approach the cities about data, until these CanTopo & CanMatrix PDFs and TIFFs have been fully exhausted. So on top of the CanVec data, that were all looking forward to seeing, we can further detail the OSM map with this stuff. Note: City Boundary data could very well be available as SHP files. If anyone finds it, please do share :-), then we can create a rules.txt and make the .osm files available. Cheers, Sam On 6/23/10, Russell wrote: > Good news, > > I finally found a way to export GeoPDFs to GeoTIFF with GlobalMapper 11. So > if you want some cantopos converted for Merkaartor usage, let me know and I > can take care of that. You can download a few tiffs I converted here: > http://cantopo.russellporter.ca/ > For some reason, 092j02 is waay off what is in OSM, but the other two are > fine.. Not sure what is up but maybe everything has been traced on Yahoo > imagery in Whistler causing the problem? Anyways 092j03 and 092g06 are fine > which is what is important for me. > > Russell > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
Hi Sam, In shapefile format, the natural choice is Statistics Canada Census Subdivision boundaries (the most recent is for 2010). Census subdivisions are typically municipalities or equivalents. Here is the link: http://geodepot.statcan.gc.ca/2006/040120011618150421032019/031904_05-eng.jsp The data is under a similar (the same?) unlimited use license as the NRN. Dan On 06/23/2010 07:22 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: > Hi, > I'm cc'ing your notice to talk-ca. > > So the CanMatrix TIFFs, although georeferenced, they are older. > However, they can still be used with Merkaarator. > > For those of you who have been under a rock about Merkaarator, (like > me) the editing tool is very good. > It allows nice viewing of WMS layers, which seems to be better than JOSM. > > Whats surprising, is that the area which is the Capital Region > District boundary, as well as the backroads are actually available. > > This significant for ALL of Canada, because it means that there is no > need to approach the cities about data, until these CanTopo& > CanMatrix PDFs and TIFFs have been fully exhausted. > > So on top of the CanVec data, that were all looking forward to seeing, > we can further detail the OSM map with this stuff. > > Note: City Boundary data could very well be available as SHP files. If > anyone finds it, please do share :-), then we can create a rules.txt > and make the .osm files available. > > Cheers, > Sam > > On 6/23/10, Russell wrote: > >> Good news, >> >> I finally found a way to export GeoPDFs to GeoTIFF with GlobalMapper 11. So >> if you want some cantopos converted for Merkaartor usage, let me know and I >> can take care of that. You can download a few tiffs I converted here: >> http://cantopo.russellporter.ca/ >> For some reason, 092j02 is waay off what is in OSM, but the other two are >> fine.. Not sure what is up but maybe everything has been traced on Yahoo >> imagery in Whistler causing the problem? Anyways 092j03 and 092g06 are fine >> which is what is important for me. >> >> Russell >> >> > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
Cool, that just added another todo list item :) And so, the GeoTIFFs, albiet dated, can be used as a handy backdrop background. Sorting the data by physical geographical area, seems to be what the cool people does these days. NTS grid is prefered. Cheers, Sam On 6/23/10, Dan Putler wrote: > Hi Sam, > > In shapefile format, the natural choice is Statistics Canada Census > Subdivision boundaries (the most recent is for 2010). Census > subdivisions are typically municipalities or equivalents. Here is the > link: > http://geodepot.statcan.gc.ca/2006/040120011618150421032019/031904_05-eng.jsp > > The data is under a similar (the same?) unlimited use license as the NRN. > > Dan > > On 06/23/2010 07:22 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm cc'ing your notice to talk-ca. >> >> So the CanMatrix TIFFs, although georeferenced, they are older. >> However, they can still be used with Merkaarator. >> >> For those of you who have been under a rock about Merkaarator, (like >> me) the editing tool is very good. >> It allows nice viewing of WMS layers, which seems to be better than JOSM. >> >> Whats surprising, is that the area which is the Capital Region >> District boundary, as well as the backroads are actually available. >> >> This significant for ALL of Canada, because it means that there is no >> need to approach the cities about data, until these CanTopo& >> CanMatrix PDFs and TIFFs have been fully exhausted. >> >> So on top of the CanVec data, that were all looking forward to seeing, >> we can further detail the OSM map with this stuff. >> >> Note: City Boundary data could very well be available as SHP files. If >> anyone finds it, please do share :-), then we can create a rules.txt >> and make the .osm files available. >> >> Cheers, >> Sam >> >> On 6/23/10, Russell wrote: >> >>> Good news, >>> >>> I finally found a way to export GeoPDFs to GeoTIFF with GlobalMapper 11. >>> So >>> if you want some cantopos converted for Merkaartor usage, let me know and >>> I >>> can take care of that. You can download a few tiffs I converted here: >>> http://cantopo.russellporter.ca/ >>> For some reason, 092j02 is waay off what is in OSM, but the other two are >>> fine.. Not sure what is up but maybe everything has been traced on Yahoo >>> imagery in Whistler causing the problem? Anyways 092j03 and 092g06 are >>> fine >>> which is what is important for me. >>> >>> Russell >>> >>> >> >> > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
> For those of you who have been under a rock about Merkaarator, (like > me) the editing tool is very good. > It allows nice viewing of WMS layers, which seems to be better than JOSM. So out of curiosity, does Markaator allow direct opening of the TIFF files? JOSM doesn't seem to allow this. What procedure would be involved in aligning these TIFFs to reality? > Whats surprising, is that the area which is the Capital Region > District boundary, as well as the backroads are actually available. > This significant for ALL of Canada, because it means that there is no > need to approach the cities about data, until these CanTopo & > CanMatrix PDFs and TIFFs have been fully exhausted. > So on top of the CanVec data, that were all looking forward to seeing, > we can further detail the OSM map with this stuff. Would the CanVec data not include all of this data? Or is it a completely separate data set? I took at look at the TIFF for Portage La Prairie in MB (near me): ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/cantopo/50k_tif/062/g/cantopo_062g16_tif.zip I did notice the city boundaries in there. Hmm, that's always good to see... :) The data is out there, we just need to find it. Tyler ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
Merkaartor has support for GeoTiffs (already rectified), and CanVec definitely doesn't include all the data, although it has most of it. CanMatrix seems to have the most park boundaries in it although some are out of date. Basically if you are trying to get an area to a high level of detail: 1. geobase import 2. Canvec import 3. NHN import in BC (included in canvec soon) 4. Cantopo/Canmatrix tracing 5. Yahoo tracing 5. Ground work Of course you should try to verify all this data because I find a lot of the NrCan data to be still a bit inaccurate. Russell On 2010-06-23, at 8:03 PM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > >> For those of you who have been under a rock about Merkaarator, (like >> me) the editing tool is very good. >> It allows nice viewing of WMS layers, which seems to be better than > JOSM. > > So out of curiosity, does Markaator allow direct opening of the TIFF > files? JOSM doesn't seem to allow this. > What procedure would be involved in aligning these TIFFs to reality? > > >> Whats surprising, is that the area which is the Capital Region >> District boundary, as well as the backroads are actually available. >> This significant for ALL of Canada, because it means that there is no >> need to approach the cities about data, until these CanTopo & >> CanMatrix PDFs and TIFFs have been fully exhausted. >> So on top of the CanVec data, that were all looking forward to seeing, >> we can further detail the OSM map with this stuff. > > Would the CanVec data not include all of this data? Or is it a completely > separate data set? > > I took at look at the TIFF for Portage La Prairie in MB (near me): > ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/cantopo/50k_tif/062/g/cantopo_062g16_tif.zip > I did notice the city boundaries in there. Hmm, that's always good to > see... :) The data is out there, we just need to find it. > > Tyler ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:38:27 -0700, Dan Putler wrote: > Hi Sam, > > In shapefile format, the natural choice is Statistics Canada Census > Subdivision boundaries (the most recent is for 2010). Census > subdivisions are typically municipalities or equivalents. Here is the > link: > http://geodepot.statcan.gc.ca/2006/040120011618150421032019/031904_05-eng.jsp > > The data is under a similar (the same?) unlimited use license as the NRN. Hmm, I just looked at this data in OpenJump and it looks like Winnipeg's boundary is Winnipeg.. I think perhaps I'll give a shot at converting this to OSM format and see what things look like. Tyler ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
I've worked with these layers a fair amount. Some things will throw you off, such as First Nations reserves in and around urban areas, and special districts (such as the UBC Pt. Grey campus and the University Endowment lands which aren't technically in Vancouver, but in Electorial District A, and the Census Subdivision boundaries place them in Electorial District A along with the unpopulated water shed area above North and West Van). Dan On 06/23/2010 08:24 PM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:38:27 -0700, Dan Putler > wrote: > >> Hi Sam, >> >> In shapefile format, the natural choice is Statistics Canada Census >> Subdivision boundaries (the most recent is for 2010). Census >> subdivisions are typically municipalities or equivalents. Here is the >> link: >> >> > http://geodepot.statcan.gc.ca/2006/040120011618150421032019/031904_05-eng.jsp > >> The data is under a similar (the same?) unlimited use license as the >> > NRN. > > > Hmm, I just looked at this data in OpenJump and it looks like Winnipeg's > boundary is Winnipeg.. > I think perhaps I'll give a shot at converting this to OSM format and see > what things look like. > > Tyler > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
JOSM is currently allergic to GeoTIFFs. The only direct way around it is to use the PicLayer plugin and take a screanshot view of an area and manually move it around. An option is to use mapwarper to make a wms of it, that requires making control points. So i dont know what is faster. Russell knows the better method. Jump on the #osm-ca IRC and bug me about the shp files for admin boundaries. Lots of things going on, so todo items tend to get pushed to the side. Cheers, Sam On 6/23/10, Tyler Gunn wrote: > >> For those of you who have been under a rock about Merkaarator, (like >> me) the editing tool is very good. >> It allows nice viewing of WMS layers, which seems to be better than > JOSM. > > So out of curiosity, does Markaator allow direct opening of the TIFF > files? JOSM doesn't seem to allow this. > What procedure would be involved in aligning these TIFFs to reality? > > >> Whats surprising, is that the area which is the Capital Region >> District boundary, as well as the backroads are actually available. >> This significant for ALL of Canada, because it means that there is no >> need to approach the cities about data, until these CanTopo & >> CanMatrix PDFs and TIFFs have been fully exhausted. >> So on top of the CanVec data, that were all looking forward to seeing, >> we can further detail the OSM map with this stuff. > > Would the CanVec data not include all of this data? Or is it a completely > separate data set? > > I took at look at the TIFF for Portage La Prairie in MB (near me): > ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/cantopo/50k_tif/062/g/cantopo_062g16_tif.zip > I did notice the city boundaries in there. Hmm, that's always good to > see... :) The data is out there, we just need to find it. > > Tyler > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
My aim is to import more aboriginal lands before working on this stuff, so its a little easier to see. And we also need to be careful to not merge nodes with residential area or anything else. On 6/23/10, Dan Putler wrote: > I've worked with these layers a fair amount. Some things will throw you > off, such as First Nations reserves in and around urban areas, and > special districts (such as the UBC Pt. Grey campus and the University > Endowment lands which aren't technically in Vancouver, but in Electorial > District A, and the Census Subdivision boundaries place them in > Electorial District A along with the unpopulated water shed area above > North and West Van). > > Dan > > On 06/23/2010 08:24 PM, Tyler Gunn wrote: >> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:38:27 -0700, Dan Putler >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Sam, >>> >>> In shapefile format, the natural choice is Statistics Canada Census >>> Subdivision boundaries (the most recent is for 2010). Census >>> subdivisions are typically municipalities or equivalents. Here is the >>> link: >>> >>> >> http://geodepot.statcan.gc.ca/2006/040120011618150421032019/031904_05-eng.jsp >> >>> The data is under a similar (the same?) unlimited use license as the >>> >> NRN. >> >> >> Hmm, I just looked at this data in OpenJump and it looks like Winnipeg's >> boundary is Winnipeg.. >> I think perhaps I'll give a shot at converting this to OSM format and see >> what things look like. >> >> Tyler >> >> > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] CanTopo!
Actually, I just removed the sample area. that I made from the stats Can shp files. As the license that listed in the PDF is for 'personal use only', And the rest of that licence is not written in english eithor lol :). http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1002082 Instead, as the alternate, we CAN trace from the pdf maps (cantopo & canmatrix), to get these boundaries. Which might not be the most current, but IS the most current that is 'freely available'. So thats also good. Fortunately, for the Province of Ontario, there is this data available http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Land_Information_Ontario#Administrative Cheers, Sam On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: > My aim is to import more aboriginal lands before working on this > stuff, so its a little easier to see. > And we also need to be careful to not merge nodes with residential > area or anything else. > > On 6/23/10, Dan Putler wrote: >> I've worked with these layers a fair amount. Some things will throw you >> off, such as First Nations reserves in and around urban areas, and >> special districts (such as the UBC Pt. Grey campus and the University >> Endowment lands which aren't technically in Vancouver, but in Electorial >> District A, and the Census Subdivision boundaries place them in >> Electorial District A along with the unpopulated water shed area above >> North and West Van). >> >> Dan >> >> On 06/23/2010 08:24 PM, Tyler Gunn wrote: >>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:38:27 -0700, Dan Putler >>> wrote: >>> Hi Sam, In shapefile format, the natural choice is Statistics Canada Census Subdivision boundaries (the most recent is for 2010). Census subdivisions are typically municipalities or equivalents. Here is the link: >>> http://geodepot.statcan.gc.ca/2006/040120011618150421032019/031904_05-eng.jsp >>> The data is under a similar (the same?) unlimited use license as the >>> NRN. >>> >>> >>> Hmm, I just looked at this data in OpenJump and it looks like Winnipeg's >>> boundary is Winnipeg.. >>> I think perhaps I'll give a shot at converting this to OSM format and see >>> what things look like. >>> >>> Tyler >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > > -- > Twitter: @Acrosscanada > Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ > http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans > Skype: samvekemans > IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) > @Acrosscanadatrails > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] CanTopo Product Review
Hi all, Last week i got re-aquanted with the CanMatrix & CanTopo PDF maps, that are available for us to trace from. Note: Once all of the CanVec data has been imported (manually copying) we ask, whats next? The CanTopo PDF maps are basically the newer version of CanMatrix. Where there are GeoTIFFs created for the areas of most demand. The CanMatrix pdfs were basically the scanned verson of the origional paper maps. Where CanTopo are the latest & Greatest. Plus printed on a pritty map :) The catelogue is familar to the CanVec set, but a few changes to note. - the 'residential area' that we see in CanVec is now extrapolated based on the GeoBase NRN, as it lists the road density. The more concentration of little roads the bigger the grey area is. So basically, we can use CanTopo to check the residential area and make it bigger, based on this newer data. For 'wooded_area' it now is from the Canadian Forestry Service satelite imagery, were previously vineyards & Orchards were included. -the map 'legend' is actually on the map, so you can basically look at the map to understand what the symbols & Numbers are. There is the map # (NTS tile) directly on the map, so it helps. The map legend also has groovey pictographs of the symbols which make it easier to understand. The 'Tundra Ponds' and 'Palsa bog' and 'esker' are all listed, so after some time using the maps, you'll recognize it. Ideally, we want to have this entire mapset available on a single WMS layer. Fortunatly, we have some awesome volunteers to make this happen. :) James Dupont has offered to host samples of it, but since our volume is big, we need a designated host. James showed me the technical details (basically changing text & file names) thats all for now, Sam -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
