Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[James]

usually if its included in name its: Xyz Township not township of xyz

On Feb 26, 2018 3:24 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" 
wrote:

> Hi Matthew:
>
> You do fine work here, yet I have a concern about "Township."  I don't
> know if in Canada, a Township is a bit of an "odd duck" like it is in the
> USA.  In the USA, we have county as admin_level=6, township as
> admin_level=7 (in about one-third of states) and city/town/village as
> admin_level=8.  The reason for 7 has to do with the way that a county might
> assign "home rule" responsibilities, which flow from the state extending
> its political administration to the counties, then a county might push this
> through to a "township," a crucial component being that township
> jurisdictions can often (but do not always) cover the ENTIRE county, rather
> than a portion of it, like a city does.  It's a little complicated, it
> varies from state to state, in our Midwest Region it often has to do with
> the way that state surveys were done (not the same in our New England
> Region) and OSM doesn't always align with the US Census Bureau's
> methodologies and/or results, (but does most of the time, there are good
> reasons for why OSM has reached the consensus we have in those exceptional
> cases, and we document these in our wikis).
>
> If Canada (its provinces, actually, I believe) has this same or a similar
> concept of "township," (you might, you might not), then admin_level=7 might
> be correct on Canadian "Township of..." boundaries.  If not, I'm blowing a
> lot of smoke into the equation and I'll thank you for reading and apologize
> for wasting time on this thread.
>
> Yes, they are USA-specific, but we have https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/
> United_States_admin_level (prescriptive, comprehensive) and
> https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/Boundaries
> (descriptive, rather more user-friendly/novice-oriented).  You might
> check these out (especially https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/
> WikiProject_United_States/Boundaries#Civil_townships) if Canada has
> "townships" as "potentially completely subdivided county entities" and see
> how we do it here (basically, they are admin_level=7).
>
> Looking at the Canada row in https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Tag:
> boundary%3Dadministrative and https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/
> WikiProject_Canada#Administrative_Boundaries I don't see this, I see that
> "Townships" are agglomerated together with "cities, villages, etc."  If
> that's correct, again, all of this I'm spouting about "Township" can be
> ignored, as it is effectively another word to describe an admin_level=8
> entity and you seem to be fine leaving things that way.
>
> Regards,
> SteveA
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Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

Hi Matthew:

You do fine work here, yet I have a concern about "Township."  I don't know if 
in Canada, a Township is a bit of an "odd duck" like it is in the USA.  In the 
USA, we have county as admin_level=6, township as admin_level=7 (in about 
one-third of states) and city/town/village as admin_level=8.  The reason for 7 
has to do with the way that a county might assign "home rule" responsibilities, 
which flow from the state extending its political administration to the 
counties, then a county might push this through to a "township," a crucial 
component being that township jurisdictions can often (but do not always) cover 
the ENTIRE county, rather than a portion of it, like a city does.  It's a 
little complicated, it varies from state to state, in our Midwest Region it 
often has to do with the way that state surveys were done (not the same in our 
New England Region) and OSM doesn't always align with the US Census Bureau's 
methodologies and/or results, (but does most of the time, there are good 
reasons for why OSM has reached the consensus we have in those exceptional 
cases, and we document these in our wikis).

If Canada (its provinces, actually, I believe) has this same or a similar 
concept of "township," (you might, you might not), then admin_level=7 might be 
correct on Canadian "Township of..." boundaries.  If not, I'm blowing a lot of 
smoke into the equation and I'll thank you for reading and apologize for 
wasting time on this thread.

Yes, they are USA-specific, but we have 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level (prescriptive, 
comprehensive) and 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/Boundaries (descriptive, 
rather more user-friendly/novice-oriented).  You might check these out 
(especially 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/Boundaries#Civil_townships) 
if Canada has "townships" as "potentially completely subdivided county 
entities" and see how we do it here (basically, they are admin_level=7).

Looking at the Canada row in 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative and 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada#Administrative_Boundaries I don't 
see this, I see that "Townships" are agglomerated together with "cities, 
villages, etc."  If that's correct, again, all of this I'm spouting about 
"Township" can be ignored, as it is effectively another word to describe an 
admin_level=8 entity and you seem to be fine leaving things that way.

Regards,
SteveA
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Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[Matthew Darwin]

Here is an update on progress.

"Municipalities" in Ontario are done.  The following 4 names were 
handled as explained.  (New names came from NRCan)


   2439 Municipality of the Nation   >> La Nation
    710 Municipality Of Markstay-warren   >> Markstay-Warren
    293 Municipality Of St.-charles >> St.-Charles
  1 Municipality of Brockton;Municipality of South Bruce   >> 
Unchanged


Next up the rest of Ontario: Townships, Districts, Countys and Towns, 
as follows:



   6466 Township of West Lincoln
   5261 Township of Galway-Cavendish and Harvey
   5063 Township of Rideau Lakes
   4792 Township of Oro-Medonte
   4533 Township of Smith-Ennismore-Lakefield
   4346 Township of South Glengarry
   4222 Township of Severn
   4151 Township of Minden Hills
   3883 Township of St. Clair
   3839 Township of Wainfleet
   3828 Township of Centre Wellington
   3778 Township of Scugog
   3776 Township of Tiny
   3725 Township of Springwater
   3648 Township of Strathroy-Caradoc
   3539 Township of South Dundas
   3481 Township of North Glengarry
   3388 Township of Tay Valley
   3268 Township of Leeds and the Thousand Islands
   3202 Township of North Dundas
   3149 Township of South Frontenac
   3056 Township of Seguin
   3044 Township of King
   3006 Township of Clearview
   2975 Township of South Stormont
   2847 Township of Ramara
   2845 Township of Brock
   2827 Township of Havelock-Belmont-Methuen
   2790 Township of Woolwich
   2785 Township of Tay
   2755 Township of Georgian Bluffs
   2743 Township of Uxbridge
   2704 Township of Elizabethtown-Kitley
   2636 Township of Hamilton
   2627 Township of Alnwick/Haldimand
   2599 Township of Essa
   2517 Township of Drummond/North Elmsley
   2494 Township of North Stormont
   2463 Township of North Kawartha
   2455 Township of Mapleton
   2420 Township of Huron-Kinloss
   2416 Township of Stone Mills
   2265 Township of Loyalist
   2192 Township of Chatsworth
   2191 Township of Zorra
   2173 Township of Norwich
   2144 Township of Southgate
   2055 Township of Russell
   2036 Township of Adjala-Tosorontio
   2023 Township of Douro-Dummer
   2012 Township of Alfred and Plantagenet
   2003 Township of Lanark Highlands
   1977 Township of Edwardsburgh/Cardinal
   1939 Township of Cavan-Monaghan
   1867 Township of Otonabee-South Monaghan
   1822 Township of Wellington North
   1715 Township of Central Frontenac
   1636 Township of Dawn-Euphemia
   1569 Township of Champlain
   1560 Township of South-West Oxford
   1554 Township of Malahide
   1554 Township of Cramahe
   1522 Township of Augusta
   1491 Township of North Dumfries
   1463 Township of Algonquin Highlands
   1450 Township of Guelph/Eramosa
   1414 Township of Wellesley
   1405 Township of Perth East
   1400 Township of Stirling-Rawdon
   1363 Township of Central Manitoulin
   1250 Township of Asphodel-Norwood
   1203 Township of Tyendinaga
   1136 Township of Southwold
   1124 Township of Mulmur
   1092 Township of Sables-Spanish Rivers
   1084 Township of Melancthon
   1043 Township of Amaranth
    988 Township of Enniskillen
    966 Township of Blandford-Blenheim
    933 Township of Carling
    910 Township of McKellar
    907 Township of Madoc
    906 Township of Puslinch
    900 Township of Lucan Biddulph
    868 Township of Montague
    845 Township of Warwick
    842 Township of Addington Highlands
    834 Township of East Hawkesbury
    813 Township of Athens
    767 Township of Adelaide-Metcalfe
    745 Township of Front of Yonge
    732 Township of East Luther Grand Valley
    710 Township of Perry
    672 Township Of Laurentian Valley
    654 Township of East Garafraxa
    640 Township of Georgian Bay
    629 Township of Lake of Bays
    623 Township of East Zorra-Tavistock
    609 Township Of St. Joseph
    571 Township of Frontenac Islands
    546 Township of Muskoka Lakes
    528 Township of Nipigon
    518 Township of Terrace Bay
    512 Township Of Black River-matheson
    488 Township of Beckwith
    470 Township Of Macdonald, Meredith And Aberdeen Additional
    439 Township of Strong
    412 Township of McMurrich-Monteith
    412 Township of Armour
    407 Township of the Archipelago
    362 Township of Schreiber
    345 Township of Madawaska Valley
    342 Township Of Chapleau
    334 Township Of Plummer Additional
    322 Township of Pelee
    313 Township of MacHar
    312 Township Of Laird
    306 Township Of Johnson
    302 Township Of Manitouwadge
    291 Township of North Frontenac
    276 Township of Red Rock
    275 Township of Billings
    273 Township Of Hornepayne
    270 Township Of Jocelyn
    254 Township of Dorion
    251 Township Of Moonbeam
    239 Township Of Tarbutt And Tarbutt Additional
    238 Township Of Hilton
    236 Township of Ryerson
    223 Township of McNab/Braeside
    219 Township of Assiginack
    213 Township Of The North Shore
    208 Township of Nipissing
    204 Township of Perth South
    184 Township Of Prince
    182 Township Of 

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[Matthew Darwin]

I will leave the wonky towns (the ones that have parentheses) for 
cleanup later.  The other "Town Of" are done.


I am working on "Municipality Of" now.

On 2018-02-18 11:04 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:


Hi Bill,

Thanks for the feedback.  OSM is updated accordingly.

I also changed "City of Prince Edward County" to "Prince Edward" (I 
didn't receive any comments on that one).   "City Of" updates in 
Ontario is now complete (at least until someone adds another one).


Updates to "Town Of" are now in  progress.   If anyone has comments 
about how to handle the following please do speak up:


   3053 Town of the Blue Mountains   => "Blue Mountains"  [remove "the"]
 14 Town of Caledon (Bolton)
  2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville)
  2 Town of Caledon (Sandhill)
  1 Town of Saugeen Shores (Southampton)
  1 Town of Mono (Rosemont)
  1 Town of Huntsville (Port Sydney)
  1 Town of Clarington (Enniskillen)

Following towns, I will be updating "Municipality Of" (after that 
"Township Of").  The list for "Municipality Of" is:


  22881 Municipality of Chatham-Kent
   9906 Municipality of Clarington
   3962 Municipality of West Grey
   3929 Municipality of Grey Highlands
   3815 Municipality of Kincardine
   3690 Municipality of Trent Hills
   3549 Municipality of Leamington
   3543 Municipality of Middlesex Centre
   3293 Municipality of Port Hope
   3284 Municipality of North Grenville
   3192 Municipality of Brockton
   2794 Municipality of Meaford
   2793 Municipality of Highlands East
   2706 Municipality of Arran-Elderslie
   2462 Municipality of Thames Centre
   2439 Municipality of the Nation
   2418 Municipality of Tweed
   2320 Municipality of Southwest Middlesex
   2275 Municipality of Brighton
   2194 Municipality of North Perth
   2145 Municipality of Northern Bruce Peninsula
   1981 Municipality of Central Elgin
   1634 Municipality of South Bruce
   1501 Municipality Of Greenstone
   1462 Municipality of Marmora and Lake
   1424 Municipality of Oliver Paipoonge
   1374 Municipality of Hastings Highlands
   1265 Municipality of Centre Hastings
   1227 Municipality of West Nipissing
   1197 Municipality of Brooke-Alvinston
   1168 Municipality of Bayham
   1060 Municipality of Whitestone
   1015 Municipality of McDougall
    989 Municipality of French River
    943 Municipality of Wawa
    895 Municipality of Magnetawan
    817 Municipality of Shuniah
    790 Municipality of Lambton Shores
    710 Municipality Of Markstay-warren
    665 Municipality of Neebing
    634 Municipality Of Huron Shores
    460 Municipality of West Elgin
    414 Municipality of Huron Shores
    367 Municipality of Dutton/Dunwich
    293 Municipality Of St.-charles
    281 Municipality of Powassan
    236 Municipality of North Middlesex
    165 Municipality of Killarney
 47 Municipality Of West Nipissing
 46 Municipality Of Charlton And Dack
 23 Municipality Of Wawa
 18 Municipality of Callander
  7 Municipality Of Sioux Lookout
  4 Municipality Of Killarney
  2 Municipality Of French River
  1 Municipality of Brockton;Municipality of South Bruce


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Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2018-02-18 11:04 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> 
>   2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville)

Like so many post-Amalgamation towns, Whitchurch-Stouffville is the
official name (http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDOLC).
There are some real doozies out there: Ashfield-Colborne-Wawanosh,
Smith-Ennismore-Lakefield, Havelock-Belmont-Methuen …

Having spent several years working on a project in
Ashfield-Colborne-Wawanosh (just north of Goderich), the new name hadn't
exactly taken.

cheers,
 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

It's good to see that admin_level tags (always 8?  they might be 7 if township, 
that's a chunky topic...) are there.  What I mean by "cutting room floor 
recycling" includes this thought:  it couldn't hurt to update/touch-up/fix 
these after a cursory examination that's they are thumbs-up/thumbs-down, need a 
touch-up.

SteveA
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Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the feedback.  OSM is updated accordingly.

I also changed "City of Prince Edward County" to "Prince Edward" (I 
didn't receive any comments on that one).   "City Of" updates in 
Ontario is now complete (at least until someone adds another one).


Updates to "Town Of" are now in  progress.   If anyone has comments 
about how to handle the following please do speak up:


   3053 Town of the Blue Mountains   => "Blue Mountains" [remove "the"]
 14 Town of Caledon (Bolton)
  2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville)
  2 Town of Caledon (Sandhill)
  1 Town of Saugeen Shores (Southampton)
  1 Town of Mono (Rosemont)
  1 Town of Huntsville (Port Sydney)
  1 Town of Clarington (Enniskillen)

Following towns, I will be updating "Municipality Of" (after that 
"Township Of").  The list for "Municipality Of" is:


  22881 Municipality of Chatham-Kent
   9906 Municipality of Clarington
   3962 Municipality of West Grey
   3929 Municipality of Grey Highlands
   3815 Municipality of Kincardine
   3690 Municipality of Trent Hills
   3549 Municipality of Leamington
   3543 Municipality of Middlesex Centre
   3293 Municipality of Port Hope
   3284 Municipality of North Grenville
   3192 Municipality of Brockton
   2794 Municipality of Meaford
   2793 Municipality of Highlands East
   2706 Municipality of Arran-Elderslie
   2462 Municipality of Thames Centre
   2439 Municipality of the Nation
   2418 Municipality of Tweed
   2320 Municipality of Southwest Middlesex
   2275 Municipality of Brighton
   2194 Municipality of North Perth
   2145 Municipality of Northern Bruce Peninsula
   1981 Municipality of Central Elgin
   1634 Municipality of South Bruce
   1501 Municipality Of Greenstone
   1462 Municipality of Marmora and Lake
   1424 Municipality of Oliver Paipoonge
   1374 Municipality of Hastings Highlands
   1265 Municipality of Centre Hastings
   1227 Municipality of West Nipissing
   1197 Municipality of Brooke-Alvinston
   1168 Municipality of Bayham
   1060 Municipality of Whitestone
   1015 Municipality of McDougall
    989 Municipality of French River
    943 Municipality of Wawa
    895 Municipality of Magnetawan
    817 Municipality of Shuniah
    790 Municipality of Lambton Shores
    710 Municipality Of Markstay-warren
    665 Municipality of Neebing
    634 Municipality Of Huron Shores
    460 Municipality of West Elgin
    414 Municipality of Huron Shores
    367 Municipality of Dutton/Dunwich
    293 Municipality Of St.-charles
    281 Municipality of Powassan
    236 Municipality of North Middlesex
    165 Municipality of Killarney
 47 Municipality Of West Nipissing
 46 Municipality Of Charlton And Dack
 23 Municipality Of Wawa
 18 Municipality of Callander
  7 Municipality Of Sioux Lookout
  4 Municipality Of Killarney
  2 Municipality Of French River
  1 Municipality of Brockton;Municipality of South Bruce

On 2018-02-17 02:18 PM, Bill & Kathy Patterson wrote:

I can speak to Maple, living a few km north of it.  The OSM wiki states:
—CLIP—
Use place <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=suburb to 
identify a major area in a place 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=town 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dtown> or place 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=city 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dcity> with a 
distinct and recognised local name and identity. Suburbs may have 
uncertain boundaries, may overlap with other suburbs, and are often 
best mapped using a node.
For areas within a suburb, the tag place 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=neighbourhood 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dneighbourhood> will 
usually be used. If necessary, place 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=quarter 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dquarter> may be 
used for an area of a large settlement which is smaller than a 
suburb and larger than a neighbourhood.

—END CLIP—
and on that basis I'd say yes, Maple is definitely a suburb of 
Vaughan, as are 1/2 of Thornhill, Concord, Woodbridge, and 
Kleinburg.  Purpleville and Nashville should likely be classified as 
neighbourhoods, and Hope and Burrlington (note double "r") as 
pioneer communities.


16796 Town of Markham, has been a city for a few years.

Bill Patterson

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*From:* Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca>
*To:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
*Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I 
will not update the name if it does not exist in NRCan without 
further review here.


1)  3 Ci

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

[Bill & Kathy Patterson]

I can speak to Maple, living a few km north of it.  The OSM wiki 
states:—CLIP—Use place=suburb to identify a major area in a place=town or 
place=city with a distinct and recognised local name and identity. Suburbs may 
have uncertain boundaries, may overlap with other suburbs, and are often best 
mapped using a node.For areas within a suburb, the tag place=neighbourhood will 
usually be used. If necessary, place=quarter may be used for an area of a large 
settlement which is smaller than a suburb and larger than a neighbourhood.—END 
CLIP—and on that basis I'd say yes, Maple is definitely a suburb of Vaughan, as 
are 1/2 of Thornhill, Concord, Woodbridge, and Kleinburg.  Purpleville and 
Nashville should likely be classified as neighbourhoods, and Hope and 
Burrlington (note double "r") as pioneer communities.
16796 Town of Markham, has been a city for a few years.
Bill Patterson

  From: Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca>
 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
 Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario
   
 The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I will not 
update the name if it does not exist in NRCan without further review here.
 
 1)  3 City of Vaughan (Maple)
 
 Probably "Maple" should in the addr:suburb field instead? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple,_Ontario
 
 2)   6165 City of Prince Edward County
 
 There is a "Prince Edward" as a City in Ontario not "Prince Edward County" as 
a city. Need to drop the word "County"  
http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FEQSA
 
 Comments?
 
 
 Edits are in progress for the other cities that I previously listed...
 
 Next up, towns:
 
   16796 Town of Markham
   11080 Town of Fort Erie
   10641 Town of Whitby
    7441 Town of Ajax
    7389 Town of Milton
    7025 Town of Lincoln
    6689 Town of Caledon
    6460 Town of Niagara-On-The-Lake
    5995 Town of Georgina
    5947 Town of Innisfil
    5886 Town of Newmarket
    5827 Town of Halton Hills
    5381 Town of Lakeshore
    5036 Town of Pelham
    4914 Town of South Bruce Peninsula
    4796 Town of Wasaga Beach
    4680 Town of Grimsby
    4474 Town of Essex
    4405 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville
    4244 Town of Aurora
    4127 Town of Saugeen Shores
    3803 Town of New Tecumseth
    3720 Town of Collingwood
    3574 Town of Kingsville
    3188 Town of Amherstburg
    3097 Town of Tecumseh
    3053 Town of the Blue Mountains
    3050 Town of Greater Napanee
    2927 Town of Gravenhurst
    2837 Town of Midland
    2689 Town of Tillsonburg
    2667 Town of East Gwillimbury
    2600 Town of Lasalle
    2542 Town of Bradford West Gwillimbury
    2390 Town of Cobourg
    2201 Town of Plympton-Wyoming
    1993 Town of Erin
    1751 Town of Smiths Falls
    1648 Town of Ingersoll
    1587 Town of Penetanguishene
    1527 Town of Mono
    1506 Town Of Petawawa
    1416 Town of Hanover
    1388 Town of Huntsville
    1328 Town of Mississippi Mills
    1219 Town Of Kirkland Lake
    1217 Town of Hawkesbury
    1113 Town Of Kapuskasing
    1105 Town of Petrolia
    1043 Town of Perth
     982 Town of Parry Sound
     917 Town of Gananoque
     914 Town of Prescott
     897 Town Of Hearst
     847 Town of Espanola
     803 Town Of Iroquois Falls
     792 Town of Minto
     784 Town of Aylmer
     715 Town of Marathon
     706 Town Of Cochrane
     673 Town of Shelburne
     669 Town of Carleton Place
     528 Town of Arnprior
     505 Town of Kearney
     492 Town Of Deep River
     436 Town of Blind River
     409 Town of Northeastern Manitoulin and the Islands
     398 Town of Deseronto
     396 Town of Bracebridge
     326 Town Of Thessalon
     278 Town Of Bruce Mines
     256 Town Of Smooth Rock Falls
     256 Town Of Blind River
     238 Town of Gore Bay
     218 Town of Deep River
     211 Town of Spanish
  92 Town Of Laurentian Hills
  90 Town of St. Marys
  14 Town of Caledon (Bolton)
  14 Town Of Bancroft
   7 Town of Laurentian Hills
   5 Town Of Spanish
   2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville)
   2 Town of Caledon (Sandhill)
   1 Town of Saugeen Shores (Southampton)
   1 Town of Mono (Rosemont)
   1 Town of Huntsville (Port Sydney)
   1 Town of Clarington (Enniskillen)
 
 On 2018-02-16 12:41 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
  
 
To start the cleanup process, the following Ontario cities are being changed 
(remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll come back with the 
next batch to process...
  The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful 
consideration to ensure the necessary boundary relations are in place and of 
course more discussion to see if people are comfortable to proceed on that kind 
of activity.
   110707 City of Toronto
   45716 City of Hamilton
   27234 City of London
   25393 City of Brampton
   17251 City of Vaug