Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 01.03.2018 16:00, john whelan wrote:
> These are all things that can be added with tools such as street
> complete.  Because you are adding tags to enrich the existing data you
> are unlikely to to draw a building in the wrong place.
> 
> I'd go after enriching the existing data first before thinking of
> importing more buildings.

My thinking here would be: 90% of the value of what you produce will be
in the surveyed stuff - as John said, number of levels, type of building
etc.; what he didn't mention but what certainly could also be
interesting to some is the 3D modeling tags like roof shape information
which will make the building look nicer on 3D maps.

If 90% of the value is in the "handmade" stuff anyway, why even depend
on an import for the remaining 10% - isn't there aerial imagery from
which you can trace the building? With proper tooling this is quick and
painless, and a student who has actually "drawn" the houses will feel
much more pride in the resulting map as one who has simply taken
existing data and uploaded it to OSM. One is a creative task, the other
just data mangling. I'm pretty sure students would warm more to the
creative task.

Best
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[john whelan]

Looking at Brandon in OpenStreetMap many buildings are mapped but there
isn't much detail.

Stats was after things like the number of levels, house number, street
name, is the building commerical, residential, apartment.  There are some
70 or 80 different tags used for buildings in taginfo.  At the bit of
Brandon I looked at there were only two values used.  It was also after
amenties such as cafes etc.

These are all things that can be added with tools such as street complete.
Because you are adding tags to enrich the existing data you are unlikely to
to draw a building in the wrong place.

I'd go after enriching the existing data first before thinking of importing
more buildings.

Cheerio John

On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
wrote:

> Hi OSM'ers
>
> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
> this?
>
> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
> maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
> for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
> results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
> get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2018-02-28 11:59 AM, James wrote:
> Before Scruss comes out and says it:

… thanks, James! Been busy with the new job.

> After license is approved …

I'm not a lawyer, but the Brandon licence looks especially troublesome.
It's not based on any other licence I've seen. Most worryingly, it
requires that the person using/importing the data on behalf of a legal
entity has the capacity to legally bind that entity.

In short, it means that if we import the Brandon data, we agree that we
have the legal capacity to respond to anything that Brandon could choose
to throw at us. Not one of us has that.

 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[john whelan]

 If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings
have been mapped.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada#
map=14/49.8381/-99.9503

They don't align perfectly with Bing but they aren't too bad.  If you ask
nicely someone could pick them up and move them over so they did but the
highways don't quite align either.

Why would you want to do an import here when most of the buildings are
already mapped or am I looking in the wrong place?

If I am perhaps we could identify those buildings that are likely to be of
interest to be marked as accessible or not and ensure they are mapped
before your event.

Cheerio John


On 28 February 2018 at 19:26, john whelan  wrote:

> If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings
> have been mapped.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada#
> map=14/49.8381/-99.9503
>
> They don't align perfectly with Bing but they aren't too bad.  If you ask
> nicely someone could pick them up and move them over so they did but the
> highways don
>
> On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi OSM'ers
>>
>> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
>> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
>> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
>> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
>> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
>> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
>> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
>> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
>> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
>> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
>> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
>> this?
>>
>> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using
>> walking maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is
>> accessible for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write
>> the results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas
>> how to get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[john whelan]

If I look at OpenStreetMap at Brandon there seems to be most buildings have
been mapped.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Brandon%20canada#map=14/49.8381/-99.9503

They don't align perfectly with Bing but they aren't too bad.  If you ask
nicely someone could pick them up and move them over so they did but the
highways don

On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
wrote:

> Hi OSM'ers
>
> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
> this?
>
> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
> maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
> for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
> results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
> get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[James]

Before Scruss comes out and says it:
1. Wiki documentation
2. You need to get LWG to approve license as it's not a standard license.
Explicit permission can certainly help our case.

After license is approved we could move on to approval of data quality,
then submit it for revue on import list(p.s. if it's crappy data they are
going to tell you about how it's crappy)

After all that(maybe 1-2 years later) can we move on to the serving of data
via a tasking manager and start the import

On Feb 28, 2018 11:54 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> Similar to does not mean the same unless it is the TB Open Data license
> but I suspect it predates that one.  Given that Stats Canada has said it
> will make the data available through the Federal Government's Open Data
> portal real soon now I suspect that an email from the city even to yourself
> would be acceptable.
>
> There is an import process speak nicely to James and he may be kind enough
> to handhold you through it.
>
> The LWG will give an opinion on the license but it could take some
> considerable time to do so.
>
> The import needs to be approved by a the local community.  In Ottawa two
> or three local mappers gathered together over coffee to approve it.  I
> think there were more than three.
>
> Given your suspected time frames its probably best to document the import
> fairly quickly.  That way it allows for those mappers who feel imports are
> terrible to have their say.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi OSM'ers
>>
>> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
>> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
>> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
>> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
>> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
>> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
>> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
>> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
>> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
>> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
>> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
>> this?
>>
>> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using
>> walking maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is
>> accessible for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write
>> the results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas
>> how to get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[john whelan]

Similar to does not mean the same unless it is the TB Open Data license but
I suspect it predates that one.  Given that Stats Canada has said it will
make the data available through the Federal Government's Open Data portal
real soon now I suspect that an email from the city even to yourself would
be acceptable.

There is an import process speak nicely to James and he may be kind enough
to handhold you through it.

The LWG will give an opinion on the license but it could take some
considerable time to do so.

The import needs to be approved by a the local community.  In Ottawa two or
three local mappers gathered together over coffee to approve it.  I think
there were more than three.

Given your suspected time frames its probably best to document the import
fairly quickly.  That way it allows for those mappers who feel imports are
terrible to have their say.

Cheerio John

On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley 
wrote:

> Hi OSM'ers
>
> I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
> questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
> shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
> OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
> course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
> license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here
> http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an
> email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba
> land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data
> is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the
> current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload
> this?
>
> The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
> maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
> for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
> results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
> get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
>
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[Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work

[keith hartley]

 Hi OSM'ers

I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few
questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address
shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in
OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of
course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data
license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here http://opengov.brandon.ca/
terms.aspx) I can get  written consent in an email if need be as well.
Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba land initiative website (MLI)
and I can see that the city of Brandon Data is much more accurate (in both
attributes and position) I will review the current data. Is there anything
else I should be doing before I upload this?

The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using walking
maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible
for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the
results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how to
get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!)

Cheers,
Keith
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