[Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
Dear talk-ca, There is a new secret demo of routing on OSM data for Canada. The demo server could go away without notice, and it doesn't update data regularly, but it seems to be blindingly fast. Also, it only works for part of Europe. Except it secretly works for part of Canada too! So far, I'm using this to test routing connectivity for the Trans Canada, and for major roads in my area. So far, i see that there is a continuity problem in Eastern Nova Scotia and I hear that there is a problem near the Manitoba / Ontario border. In both cases if you try a route, it looks funny or fails to route. Looking funny is often either a route that goes the long way 'round, or goes backwards, then forward, or past the destination then back. The fix is to go find the overlapping nodes that aren't connected, or the missing bridge or backwards oneway tag, and fix them. Great fun! It should help find import issues where we haven't properly stitched imports to existing data. Again, this router isn't yet updating often, so maybe we can put things we find and fix in this thread, so we don't chase our tails? Then maybe ask for an update after the weekend? What do you think? Feel like doing some secret routing repair? ;-) And thanks to Frederik at Geofabrik, for adding Canada to this demo. This is pretty cool. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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The subject of people having problems routing because connections weren't made has been brought up before. Tried http://keepright.ipax.at ? I have, it got really depressing the number of roads and footpaths that just weren't connected. CANVEC at least is connected to other CANVEC roads so my personal view is if you want routing either accept a road system based on CANVEC or wait for CommonMap. Cheerio John On 4 March 2011 18:54, Richard Weait wrote: > Dear talk-ca, > > There is a new secret demo of routing on OSM data for Canada. The > demo server could go away without notice, and it doesn't update data > regularly, but it seems to be blindingly fast. Also, it only works > for part of Europe. > > Except it secretly works for part of Canada too! > > So far, I'm using this to test routing connectivity for the Trans > Canada, and for major roads in my area. So far, i see that there is a > continuity problem in Eastern Nova Scotia and I hear that there is a > problem near the Manitoba / Ontario border. In both cases if you try > a route, it looks funny or fails to route. Looking funny is often > either a route that goes the long way 'round, or goes backwards, then > forward, or past the destination then back. The fix is to go find the > overlapping nodes that aren't connected, or the missing bridge or > backwards oneway tag, and fix them. Great fun! It should help find > import issues where we haven't properly stitched imports to existing > data. > > Again, this router isn't yet updating often, so maybe we can put > things we find and fix in this thread, so we don't chase our tails? > Then maybe ask for an update after the weekend? > > What do you think? Feel like doing some secret routing repair? ;-) > > And thanks to Frederik at Geofabrik, for adding Canada to this demo. > This is pretty cool. > > Best regards, > Richard > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
Hi Richard, Yeah, that's sounds quite useful. How do we do it? Sam L. Kamloops -Original Message- From: Richard Weait To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:54:06 -0500 Dear talk-ca, There is a new secret demo of routing on OSM data for Canada. The demo server could go away without notice, and it doesn't update data regularly, but it seems to be blindingly fast. Also, it only works for part of Europe. Except it secretly works for part of Canada too! So far, I'm using this to test routing connectivity for the Trans Canada, and for major roads in my area. So far, i see that there is a continuity problem in Eastern Nova Scotia and I hear that there is a problem near the Manitoba / Ontario border. In both cases if you try a route, it looks funny or fails to route. Looking funny is often either a route that goes the long way 'round, or goes backwards, then forward, or past the destination then back. The fix is to go find the overlapping nodes that aren't connected, or the missing bridge or backwards oneway tag, and fix them. Great fun! It should help find import issues where we haven't properly stitched imports to existing data. Again, this router isn't yet updating often, so maybe we can put things we find and fix in this thread, so we don't chase our tails? Then maybe ask for an update after the weekend? What do you think? Feel like doing some secret routing repair? ;-) And thanks to Frederik at Geofabrik, for adding Canada to this demo. This is pretty cool. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > Dear talk-ca, > > There is a new secret demo of routing on OSM data for Canada. The > demo server could go away without notice, and it doesn't update data > regularly, but it seems to be blindingly fast. Also, it only works > for part of Europe. > > Except it secretly works for part of Canada too! Oops. guess I should have included the link! http://routingdemo.geofabrik.de/ I've found that routing even extends over the border a short way too, though I've only checked a few places so far. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Thanks Richard. I tested it on the Trans Canada heading east of Kamloops towards Banff. It was routing through Edmonton. Wha??? Tracked it down to a divided section of the TC west of Field where both sides of the highway were marked as westbound. KeepRight didn't pick it up in this case. Fixed. Thanks for the link. Very quick indeed. Sam L -Original Message- From: Richard Weait To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:19:01 -0500 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > Dear talk-ca, > > There is a new secret demo of routing on OSM data for Canada. The > demo server could go away without notice, and it doesn't update data > regularly, but it seems to be blindingly fast. Also, it only works > for part of Europe. > > Except it secretly works for part of Canada too! Oops. guess I should have included the link! http://routingdemo.geofabrik.de/ I've found that routing even extends over the border a short way too, though I've only checked a few places so far. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Samuel Longiaru wrote: > Thanks Richard. I tested it on the Trans Canada heading east of Kamloops > towards Banff. It was routing through Edmonton. Wha??? Tracked it down to > a divided section of the TC west of Field where both sides of the highway > were marked as westbound. KeepRight didn't pick it up in this case. > Fixed. Thanks for the link. Very quick indeed. There are more anomalies on the TC-1 east of Golden... anyone familiar with the area care to fix the problems? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.27396&lon=-116.76355&zoom=16 James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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British Columbia: the highway 97/97C interchange (between kelowna and peachland) had a routing error, but was corrected two days after the data was pulled (by someone I don't know). When you said fast, you weren't kidding! This'll be great to get on the main page (when it works in conjunction with address search, etc). Adam On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:38 PM, James Ewen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Samuel Longiaru wrote: > >> Thanks Richard. I tested it on the Trans Canada heading east of Kamloops >> towards Banff. It was routing through Edmonton. Wha??? Tracked it down to >> a divided section of the TC west of Field where both sides of the highway >> were marked as westbound. KeepRight didn't pick it up in this case. >> Fixed. Thanks for the link. Very quick indeed. > > There are more anomalies on the TC-1 east of Golden... anyone familiar > with the area care to fix the problems? > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.27396&lon=-116.76355&zoom=16 > > James > VE6SRV > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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I've fixed some continuity errors, etc. on Hwy 417 near Ottawa. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > I've fixed some continuity errors, etc. on Hwy 417 near Ottawa. I'm working now on the rest of 417, then I'll tackle 416. Ottawa is a mess. A disaster. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
fixed QEW at 403. overlapping nodes not connected ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > fixed QEW at 403. overlapping nodes not connected QEW at Hidden Valley. same. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 08:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > > I've fixed some continuity errors, etc. on Hwy 417 near Ottawa. > > I'm working now on the rest of 417, then I'll tackle 416. Ottawa is a > mess. A disaster. > Well my first test route, failed. I'm going to have to start inserting a lot of no left turn's signs into the map. Can't say it was a high priority in my mind before. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Hwy 1;97/5 interchange west of Kamloops: heading east on 1, then changing to south on 5, motorway_link incorrectly tagged as oneway. Sam L, should [http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/24446790] be a two-directional single carriageway or one way dual carriageways (has a concrete Jersey barrier in the centre)? I've set it to two-directional for now. Adam On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Andrew Allison wrote: > On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 08:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >> > I've fixed some continuity errors, etc. on Hwy 417 near Ottawa. >> >> I'm working now on the rest of 417, then I'll tackle 416. Ottawa is a >> mess. A disaster. >> > Well my first test route, failed. I'm going to have to start inserting a > lot of no left turn's signs into the map. Can't say it was a high > priority in my mind before. > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Yes... I believe you have that correct now. No barrier as I remember. Thanks. The interchange at Highway 93 (Icefields Parkway) and the TransCanada was not routing correctly coming south off the Parkway. I made some minor edits there and hopefully that will fix it, but the Bing coverage is poor. Also, there has been a lot of construction through there as they twin the highway. Anybody with better local knowledge willing to give it a go? It's a bit of a dog's breakfast right now. http://osm.org/go/WOMm6ScJD-- Sam L. -Original Message- From: Adam Dunn To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org, Samuel Longiaru Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:38:46 -0800 Hwy 1;97/5 interchange west of Kamloops: heading east on 1, then changing to south on 5, motorway_link incorrectly tagged as oneway. Sam L, should [http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/24446790] be a two-directional single carriageway or one way dual carriageways (has a concrete Jersey barrier in the centre)? I've set it to two-directional for now. Adam On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Andrew Allison wrote: > On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 08:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >> > I've fixed some continuity errors, etc. on Hwy 417 near Ottawa. >> >> I'm working now on the rest of 417, then I'll tackle 416. Ottawa is a >> mess. A disaster. >> > Well my first test route, failed. I'm going to have to start inserting a > lot of no left turn's signs into the map. Can't say it was a high > priority in my mind before. > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
About 100 meters of Hwy 93 was missing just west of BC/Alberta border (yup, just plain gone). Fixed now. Adam On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Samuel Longiaru wrote: > > Yes... I believe you have that correct now. No barrier as I remember. > Thanks. > > > The interchange at Highway 93 (Icefields Parkway) and the TransCanada was > not routing correctly coming south off the Parkway. I made some minor edits > there and hopefully that will fix it, but the Bing coverage is poor. Also, > there has been a lot of construction through there as they twin the > highway. Anybody with better local knowledge willing to give it a go? It's > a bit of a dog's breakfast right now. > > http://osm.org/go/WOMm6ScJD-- > > > Sam L. > > > -Original Message- > From: Adam Dunn > To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org, Samuel Longiaru > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. > Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:38:46 -0800 > > Hwy 1;97/5 interchange west of Kamloops: heading east on 1, then > changing to south on 5, motorway_link incorrectly tagged as oneway. > Sam L, should [http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/24446790] be a > two-directional single carriageway or one way dual carriageways (has a > concrete Jersey barrier in the centre)? I've set it to two-directional > for now. > > Adam > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Andrew Allison > wrote: >> On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 08:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >>> > I've fixed some continuity errors, etc. on Hwy 417 near Ottawa. >>> >>> I'm working now on the rest of 417, then I'll tackle 416. Ottawa is a >>> mess. A disaster. >>> >> Well my first test route, failed. I'm going to have to start inserting a >> lot of no left turn's signs into the map. Can't say it was a high >> priority in my mind before. >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
Fixed oneway on TCH at MB /ON border. Westbound routing improved. ;-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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MB TCH: fix bad oneway at PTH 44 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > MB TCH: fix bad oneway at PTH 44 Good to Winnipeg, so far. ;-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Langley, BC: Hwy 1 west to 56 Ave at 1/13 interchange: short section marked as oneway when it shouldn't be. Fixed. Just south of Merritt, at the 5/5C/97A interchange, heading north on 5, then going east on 97C, there's a traffic-lit intersection with 97C. Since 97C is dual carriageway, the intersection is an H design, but the connector of the H is set as motorway_link, which implies oneway. Setting oneway=no. Adam On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> MB TCH: fix bad oneway at PTH 44 > > Good to Winnipeg, so far. ;-) > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
Hwy 99, Sea-to-Sky section (North of Vancouver), just north of Sunset Bay, there's a short section, where it's a single carriageway, but motorway implies oneway. Since Sea-to-Sky has been upgraded (Olympics), it's now dual carriage. This site is great for finding route errors. OSM will really improve thanks to this. I can't believe how many errors there were, and major ones that would prevent road trip planning for travellers. Thanks Richard, and the other programmers involved! Adam On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Adam Dunn wrote: > Langley, BC: Hwy 1 west to 56 Ave at 1/13 interchange: short section > marked as oneway when it shouldn't be. Fixed. > > Just south of Merritt, at the 5/5C/97A interchange, heading north on > 5, then going east on 97C, there's a traffic-lit intersection with > 97C. Since 97C is dual carriageway, the intersection is an H design, > but the connector of the H is set as motorway_link, which implies > oneway. Setting oneway=no. > > Adam > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >>> MB TCH: fix bad oneway at PTH 44 >> >> Good to Winnipeg, so far. ;-) >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Amen to that. Now THIS would make a great JOSM tool. Just to test locally around an interchange or some such thing you're working on. That would be cool. This is catching the logic errors that other tools aren't. Sam L. -Original Message- From: Adam Dunn To: talk-ca Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 11:43:21 -0800 <> This site is great for finding route errors. OSM will really improve thanks to this. I can't believe how many errors there were, and major ones that would prevent road trip planning for travellers. Thanks Richard, and the other programmers involved! Adam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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There is the route finding plugin for JOSM, which has been around a while, but I tried to get it running last night, and it doesn't seem to be working anymore (but it worked well in the past). The graph visualization plugin also has some potential, but could use work. Adam On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Samuel Longiaru wrote: > Amen to that. Now THIS would make a great JOSM tool. Just to test locally > around an interchange or some such thing you're working on. That would be > cool. This is catching the logic errors that other tools aren't. > > Sam L. > > > -Original Message- > From: Adam Dunn > To: talk-ca > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. > Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 11:43:21 -0800 > > <> > > This site is great for finding route errors. OSM will really improve > thanks to this. I can't believe how many errors there were, and major > ones that would prevent road trip planning for travellers. Thanks > Richard, and the other programmers involved! > > Adam > > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Adam Dunn wrote: > This site is great for finding route errors. OSM will really improve > thanks to this. I can't believe how many errors there were, and major > ones that would prevent road trip planning for travellers. Thanks > Richard, and the other programmers involved! I agree, except with the part about me. My only involvement is letting you know about it. ;-) The code is here, http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/routed/ , so those motivated can run their own router. Geofabrik was intimately involved in the development and it's currently running as a demo on one of their servers. University of Karlsruhe students wrote much of the code and Jochen and Frederick made some adjustments for the demo we're using. They did great stuff. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Oop, forgot we were supposed to indicate routing errors corrected here... Southeast of Edmonton, Alberta: Highway 14/21 interchange node not connected fixed. Canvec service road removed from highway 14/Anthony Henday interchange. It would definitely be nice to have this functionality built into the editing tools. I was running Geofabric in one window, and then having to find the same spot in another window with Potlatch to be able to find and correct the source of the error. James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 6:23 PM, James Ewen wrote: > Oop, forgot we were supposed to indicate routing errors corrected here... > > Southeast of Edmonton, Alberta: > > Highway 14/21 interchange node not connected fixed. > > Canvec service road removed from highway 14/Anthony Henday interchange. > > > It would definitely be nice to have this functionality built into the > editing tools. I was running Geofabric in one window, and then having > to find the same spot in another window with Potlatch to be able to > find and correct the source of the error. Indeed. Tighter integration would be nice in future. Frankly, I'm having a great time with it now. It s fast! If not built into the editors, perhaps allow an "alt-click on the routing error to open that bb in your editor of choice." ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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The routing data was updated as of a few hours ago, so your fixes from earlier in the day should now show up when you test them. Also, all of Victoria Island should route properly as well as, perhaps a US border town or two. Thank you, Frederik! ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Highway 47, SW of Edson, Alberta to Robb, Alberta - duplicate highway fixed, numerous joins connected. Sam L -Original Message- From: James Ewen To: talk-ca Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 16:23:55 -0700 Oop, forgot we were supposed to indicate routing errors corrected here... Southeast of Edmonton, Alberta: Highway 14/21 interchange node not connected fixed. Canvec service road removed from highway 14/Anthony Henday interchange. It would definitely be nice to have this functionality built into the editing tools. I was running Geofabric in one window, and then having to find the same spot in another window with Potlatch to be able to find and correct the source of the error. James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Section of highway 2 southbound immediately south of the Anthony Henday was one way northbound not allowing anyone to leave the city of Edmonton! Reversed the flow! James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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In Vancouver, from Hwy 1 heading west onto Brunette Ave heading southwest, the routing software advises to take the offramp going north onto Brunette, then do a u-turn at the Brunette/Bernatchey intersection in order to head south on Brunette. However, if one were to continue along Hwy 1, there is a proper offramp to go south on Brunette. Judging by the map, it looks like the u-turn method is actually shorter in terms of distance, so this is what the routing software chooses to do! (plus the Brunette/Bernatchey intersection is an H style [Brunette being the dual-way], so the software doesn't see it as a u-turn). A no_u_turn relation would fix this issue, but I'm not sure if u-turns are actually restricted there. Also, the routing software attempts to use ferries if it needs to, but doesn't seem to be using the Horseshoe Bay (Vancouver) <-> Departure Bay (Nanaimo) route even though it all seems okay in data. Adam P.S. pnorman is my hero for the following tag: note=Yes, this track does overlap a road It's nice when people explain their odd ways of mapping (a rail and a road overlapping ways in this case). On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:36 PM, James Ewen wrote: > Section of highway 2 southbound immediately south of the Anthony > Henday was one way northbound not allowing anyone to leave the city of > Edmonton! Reversed the flow! > > James > VE6SRV > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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I think I have a note somewhere that says "This is confusing in OSM. It's worse on the ground". I try to include those when I map something that seems completely illogical, but is an accurate representation of reality. I fixed the Brunette/Bernatchey intersection - my imagery indicates that you can't get to that from the service lane, so you can't go from the middle of the H to westbound brunette and there's not enough room to do a u-turn. I also fixed up my UBC commute - unfortunately, the secondary/tertiary/primary designations don't mean as much in the city for travel time as the router thinks. It gets the work commute exactly right, in both directions. > -Original Message- > From: Adam Dunn [mailto:dunna...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:03 PM > To: talk-ca > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo. > > In Vancouver, from Hwy 1 heading west onto Brunette Ave heading > southwest, the routing software advises to take the offramp going north > onto Brunette, then do a u-turn at the Brunette/Bernatchey intersection > in order to head south on Brunette. However, if one were to continue > along Hwy 1, there is a proper offramp to go south on Brunette. Judging > by the map, it looks like the u-turn method is actually shorter in terms > of distance, so this is what the routing software chooses to do! (plus > the Brunette/Bernatchey intersection is an H style [Brunette being the > dual-way], so the software doesn't see it as a u-turn). A no_u_turn > relation would fix this issue, but I'm not sure if u-turns are actually > restricted there. > > Also, the routing software attempts to use ferries if it needs to, but > doesn't seem to be using the Horseshoe Bay (Vancouver) <-> Departure Bay > (Nanaimo) route even though it all seems okay in data. > > Adam > > P.S. pnorman is my hero for the following tag: note=Yes, this track does > overlap a road It's nice when people explain their odd ways of mapping > (a rail and a road overlapping ways in this case). > > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 8:36 PM, James Ewen wrote: > > Section of highway 2 southbound immediately south of the Anthony > > Henday was one way northbound not allowing anyone to leave the city of > > Edmonton! Reversed the flow! > > > > James > > VE6SRV > > > > ___ > > Talk-ca mailing list > > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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On 2011-03-05, at 4:31 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > The routing data was updated as of a few hours ago, so your fixes from > earlier in the day should now show up when you test them. > > Also, all of Victoria Island should route properly as well as, perhaps > a US border town or two. I've tested a bunch of routing in & around vancouver island (and victoria). It looks pretty good. A few minor fixes to some of the highway interchanges around Victoria (mostly turn restrictions -- turning left out of a merge lane across the highway would be bad for your health) I fixed one issue with the TCH near Medicine Hat, and then found others. It's bedtime, though, so someone else gets to find & fix. > Thank you, Frederik! Indeed! -Austin ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Secret routing demo.
More fixes near Sydney, NS. This _will_ be routable. ;-) There are large sections of hwy 125 that are drawn as single carriageway and highway=motorway. This implies oneway=yes, so we can go to Sydney but never return. Nice place, I'm sure. It does appear to have grade separated interchanges. The "really right thing to do" is to survey it and determine if either: - there is a central barrier, and draw as dual carriageway - no barrier, and redefine as trunk I'm not there, so in the interest of doing the least damage, I'm going with a single carriageway, highway=motorway, oneway=no. There are lots of other little fixups here; correct direction of _link, add _links in places, grade separate and add layers for bridges (hello, PotM!) Now moving to Sydney Mines on 125. Fixed 125 and Seaview Drive interchange. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
