Re: [Talk-ca] User r_coastlines

[Richard Weait]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:20 PM, john whelan  wrote:
> But recently I noted that the CANVEC tags are being removed.  Two people in
> the talk-ca list mentioned recently they had done so.

Yes.  All tags may be modified.  That's the point of OSM data; it is a
wiki, you know?  :-)

The formal attribution to NRCan, who have been awesome in every
transaction I've had with them, is on the Copyright page, which is not
a wiki.  http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

NRCan attribution is also shown on the wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution

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Re: [Talk-ca] User r_coastlines

[john whelan]

But recently I noted that the CANVEC tags are being removed.  Two people in
the talk-ca list mentioned recently they had done so.

Cheerio John

On 19 December 2011 15:38, Frank Steggink  wrote:

> On 19-12-2011 20:38, john whelan wrote:
>
>> Yes because it is the individual contributor who has to accept the OSM's
>> new licensing terms, the data was not imported directly from CANVEC into
>> OSM.
>>
>> As a Canadian tax payer I'm not quite certain I like the idea of OSM
>> having the power to re-license Government data but that is a separate issue.
>>
>>  John,
>
> Whether you like it or not, NRCan explicitly allows it, as long as they
> are attributed as the source:
>
> /All distributed data should be accessed and used relatively to the
> GeoGratis Unrestricted Use Licence Agreement  **geogratis/en/licence.jsp>.
> With this licence, users are granted a non-exclusive, fully paid,
> royalty-free right and licence to exercise all intellectual property rights
> in the data. This includes the right to use, incorporate, sublicense (with
> further right of sublicensing), modify, improve, further develop, and
> distribute the data; and to manufacture and/or distribute Derivative
> Products. The Licensee shall identify the source of the Data, in the
> following manner, where any of the Data are redistributed, or contained
> within Derivative Products: "© Department of Natural Resources Canada. All
> rights reserved."
> /
> See: 
> http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/**geogratis/en/index.html
>
> Furthermore, NRCan is even spending your tax dollars to facilitate
> incorporating their data into OSM.
>
> Personally, as a former Canadian tax payer I can say that what NRCan does
> is one of the best ways of my tax dollars being spent :) It's too bad that
> the national mapping agency which is currently being funded by my tax euros
> takes a way less proactive stance towards open data. At least by decree of
> our Ministry of Economy, Agriculture and Innovation, a lot of geospatial
> and other data will be open in a few weeks :)
>
> Every time when your government is doing something you don't like, are you
> going to share that with the world as well?
>
> Frank
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Re: [Talk-ca] User r_coastlines

[Frank Steggink]

On 19-12-2011 18:57, Andrew Allison wrote:

Hello:
Unless I'm missing something or it's a bug Using the OSM Inspector
tool. The coastline data as going to be removed, or at least a
significant amount.

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-81.24969&lat=42.97091&zoom=13&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created

There is a lot of data being flagged by users who haven't been around
in years. Sigh

Andrew


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Hi Andrew,

I'm not sure, but "r_coastlines" only shows up as a value for the 
"created_by" tag, which is a deprecated tag for programs / scripts to 
edit/import data in OSM. The PGS coastline data import doesn't seem to 
be assigned to a user. So, I would say that this data will remain in 
OSM, although I don't know for sure if this is true. The data itself 
comes from the US NGA, so it is Public Domain. See [1] for details.


The link you're showing, isn't showing coastlines, but data from London, 
ON, which has been contributed by RogueGPSer. He has (indeed) not 
decided about relicensing. [2]


Regards,

Frank

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PGS
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/RogueGPSer

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Re: [Talk-ca] User r_coastlines

[Frank Steggink]

On 19-12-2011 20:38, john whelan wrote:
Yes because it is the individual contributor who has to accept the 
OSM's new licensing terms, the data was not imported directly from 
CANVEC into OSM.


As a Canadian tax payer I'm not quite certain I like the idea of OSM 
having the power to re-license Government data but that is a separate 
issue.



John,

Whether you like it or not, NRCan explicitly allows it, as long as they 
are attributed as the source:


/All distributed data should be accessed and used relatively to the 
GeoGratis Unrestricted Use Licence Agreement 
. With this 
licence, users are granted a non-exclusive, fully paid, royalty-free 
right and licence to exercise all intellectual property rights in the 
data. This includes the right to use, incorporate, sublicense (with 
further right of sublicensing), modify, improve, further develop, and 
distribute the data; and to manufacture and/or distribute Derivative 
Products. The Licensee shall identify the source of the Data, in the 
following manner, where any of the Data are redistributed, or contained 
within Derivative Products: "© Department of Natural Resources Canada. 
All rights reserved."

/
See: http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/index.html

Furthermore, NRCan is even spending your tax dollars to facilitate 
incorporating their data into OSM.


Personally, as a former Canadian tax payer I can say that what NRCan 
does is one of the best ways of my tax dollars being spent :) It's too 
bad that the national mapping agency which is currently being funded by 
my tax euros takes a way less proactive stance towards open data. At 
least by decree of our Ministry of Economy, Agriculture and Innovation, 
a lot of geospatial and other data will be open in a few weeks :)


Every time when your government is doing something you don't like, are 
you going to share that with the world as well?


Frank

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Re: [Talk-ca] User r_coastlines

[john whelan]

Yes because it is the individual contributor who has to accept the OSM's
new licensing terms, the data was not imported directly from CANVEC into
OSM.

As a Canadian tax payer I'm not quite certain I like the idea of OSM having
the power to re-license Government data but that is a separate issue.

Cheerio John

On 19 December 2011 13:33, Gordon Dewis  wrote:

> If the source of data in jeopardy is CanVec do we need to remove it given
> that there are no issues with CanVec data being in OSM?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Andrew Allison  > wrote:
>
>> Hello:
>>Unless I'm missing something or it's a bug Using the OSM Inspector
>> tool. The coastline data as going to be removed, or at least a
>> significant amount.
>>
>>
>> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-81.24969&lat=42.97091&zoom=13&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created
>>
>>There is a lot of data being flagged by users who haven't been
>> around
>> in years. Sigh
>>
>>Andrew
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] User r_coastlines

[Gordon Dewis]

If the source of data in jeopardy is CanVec do we need to remove it given
that there are no issues with CanVec data being in OSM?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Andrew Allison
wrote:

> Hello:
>Unless I'm missing something or it's a bug Using the OSM Inspector
> tool. The coastline data as going to be removed, or at least a
> significant amount.
>
>
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-81.24969&lat=42.97091&zoom=13&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created
>
>There is a lot of data being flagged by users who haven't been
> around
> in years. Sigh
>
>Andrew
>
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[Talk-ca] User r_coastlines

[Andrew Allison]

Hello:
Unless I'm missing something or it's a bug Using the OSM Inspector
tool. The coastline data as going to be removed, or at least a
significant amount.

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-81.24969&lat=42.97091&zoom=13&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created

There is a lot of data being flagged by users who haven't been around
in years. Sigh

Andrew


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