Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Matthew -- I am not from Canada but as the secretary of the OSM
Foundation board I am working with local OSM organizations to become
official local chapters. If you want, we can meet up in Boulder with other
folks from Canada and see if there's enough interest and support from the
Canadian community at large to move in that direction.
Martijn


Martijn van Exel
skype: mvexel

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>
> During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning the
> informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
> corporation.  I'm looking for other folks who think this might be a good
> idea (or maybe have a contrary opinion) and want to talk about it.
>
> Of course comments are accepted here or directly to me (matt...@mdarwin.ca
> ).
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Matthew Darwin]

Yes.

Matthew Darwin
matt...@mdarwin.ca
http://www.mdarwin.ca

On 2017-09-28 12:17 PM, James wrote:
And as a local chapter new comers could suggest/view tasks to work 
on. Kind of like what we did for Fort Mac.


A centralized communication hub would enable us to move forward and 
concentrate our efforts(small remote villages for example)




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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[James]

And as a local chapter new comers could suggest/view tasks to work on. Kind
of like what we did for Fort Mac.

A centralized communication hub would enable us to move forward and
concentrate our efforts(small remote villages for example)

On Sep 28, 2017 12:12 PM, "Matthew Darwin" <matt...@mdarwin.ca> wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> In my view we definitely need OSMCanada to go beyond the big cities.  It
> is not "Canada" if we don't.
>
> In my view the main things that a collection of people cannot do on their
> own are:
>
> 1) Have a bank account.  There are groups that would give and organization
> money to do things around OSM. You can't just give money to an
> individual.   Also might need to look into charitable status later on so
> people could give donations and get a tax receipt (more paperwor overhead
> for that)
>
> 2) Look into getting money from the feds.  There have been announcements
> about Feds making money available for Smart Cities and related activities,
> for sure money cannot go to individuals.  I am waiting to see the details
> on what they are going to fund.
>
> Monies received could go towards meetups/hosting costs (which people pay
> out of their own pocket now) as well as "hiring" people to work on specific
> projects which normally they would not spend time on or maybe travel
> costs to go do a survey in an area which needs help, but has no expert
> mappers. or more training activities for folks. I could also see an
> educational component whereas it would be great to have people go into
> highschool civic classes and do a session on OSM.
>
> 3) The Building Canada 2020 project needs some leadership to make things
> happen.  Having an organization helping to drive that would make that
> easier.
>
> 4) There are things that some folks across the country have done to
> improve their area of the map... would be good to share practices more
> broadly, in a Canadian context.
>
> Of course all of these can be done in a private organization (eg like
> Mapbox), but I feel that building an organization to represent the broader
> community would be more beneficial in the long run.
>
> My 2c.
> On 2017-09-28 08:19 AM, Brian Bancroft wrote:
>
> Hi Matthew,
>
> It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and
> I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where
> the platform is exactly what they need.
>
> Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it
> seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and
> task management?
>
> Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal
> association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?
>
> I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what
> your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe
> (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet
> government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to
> crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.
>
> Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> *From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
> *To:* scr...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
>
> I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
> sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?
>
> Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I
> think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
> recently about the use of OSM in names.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
>> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>
>> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>>
>> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
>> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
>> > corporation.
>>
>> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
>> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
>> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
>> OSMF Chapter?
>>
>>  Stewart
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Brian,

In my view we definitely need OSMCanada to go beyond the big cities.  
It is not "Canada" if we don't.


In my view the main things that a collection of people cannot do on 
their own are:


1) Have a bank account.  There are groups that would give and 
organization money to do things around OSM. You can't just give money 
to an individual.   Also might need to look into charitable status 
later on so people could give donations and get a tax receipt (more 
paperwor overhead for that)


2) Look into getting money from the feds.  There have been 
announcements about Feds making money available for Smart Cities and 
related activities, for sure money cannot go to individuals. I am 
waiting to see the details on what they are going to fund.


Monies received could go towards meetups/hosting costs (which people 
pay out of their own pocket now) as well as "hiring" people to work on 
specific projects which normally they would not spend time on or 
maybe travel costs to go do a survey in an area which needs help, but 
has no expert mappers. or more training activities for folks. I could 
also see an educational component whereas it would be great to have 
people go into highschool civic classes and do a session on OSM.


3) The Building Canada 2020 project needs some leadership to make 
things happen.  Having an organization helping to drive that would 
make that easier.


4) There are things that some folks across the country have done to 
improve their area of the map... would be good to share practices more 
broadly, in a Canadian context.


Of course all of these can be done in a private organization (eg like 
Mapbox), but I feel that building an organization to represent the 
broader community would be more beneficial in the long run.


My 2c.

On 2017-09-28 08:19 AM, Brian Bancroft wrote:

Hi Matthew,

It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit 
lately, and I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't 
know about OSM where the platform is exactly what they need.


Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would 
it seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal 
support and task management?


Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal 
association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?


I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about 
what your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and 
others believe (or know) it would solve through incorporation and 
(possibly?)  sweet government handouts. I'm guessing that these are 
the questions you want to crunch out while you're at the gathering 
of interesting people.


Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,

Brian




*From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
*Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
*To:* scr...@gmail.com
*Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22


I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not 
very sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of 
the country?


Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian 
corporation? I think it would have to change its name though there 
have been discussions recently about the use of OSM in names.


Cheerio John

On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com 
<mailto:scr...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/

Nope. Wish I could afford it.

> During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about
turning
> the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit
Canadian
> corporation.

I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last
I heard
it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the
non-profit
do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
OSMF Chapter?

 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

I responded to Matthew off-list an on, but my response bounced to here
because I used an alternate email address.

Speaking as the secretary of the OSMF board and non-Canadian: we welcome
new Local Chapters and any movement towards that. A first step is to gain
sufficient momentum; a Local Chapter, or any official national OSM
organization, should represent the community as a whole. That would be the
first thing to figure out. I see a lot of regulars on this list, and having
a discussion here about the viability / desirability of incorporating would
be a great start. Discussing in person can be beneficial, but is
understandably challenging in a large country. Feel free to reach out to me
any time if you want to discuss more.

Lastly, I would encourage you to subscribe to the local-chapters mailing
list, which we have dedicated to discuss (the path to) local chapters.

Best,
Martijn

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Дмитрий Киселев <dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi I hope I will,
> but I don't have any thought about local chapter and do we want to have a
> local not-for-profit org, or not.
>
> It works when you want to get some data / hardware / money from gov or
> companies (not from ordinary people).
> I'm here not for a long time but looks like gov more willing to work with
> OSM directly, as well as big GIS players.
> So local chapter is nice but not a neccessary thing.
>
> 2017-09-28 9:19 GMT-03:00 Brian Bancroft <bancroft...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Matthew,
>>
>> It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and
>> I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where
>> the platform is exactly what they need.
>>
>> Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it
>> seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and
>> task management?
>>
>> Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal
>> association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?
>>
>> I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what
>> your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe
>> (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet
>> government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to
>> crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.
>>
>> Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
>> *To:* scr...@gmail.com
>> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
>>
>> I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
>> sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?
>>
>> Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation?
>> I think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
>> recently about the use of OSM in names.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
>>> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>>
>>> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>>>
>>> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
>>> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
>>> > corporation.
>>>
>>> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
>>> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
>>> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
>>> OSMF Chapter?
>>>
>>>  Stewart
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Дмитрий Киселев]

Hi I hope I will,
but I don't have any thought about local chapter and do we want to have a
local not-for-profit org, or not.

It works when you want to get some data / hardware / money from gov or
companies (not from ordinary people).
I'm here not for a long time but looks like gov more willing to work with
OSM directly, as well as big GIS players.
So local chapter is nice but not a neccessary thing.

2017-09-28 9:19 GMT-03:00 Brian Bancroft <bancroft...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Matthew,
>
> It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and
> I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where
> the platform is exactly what they need.
>
> Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it
> seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and
> task management?
>
> Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal
> association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?
>
> I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what
> your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe
> (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet
> government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to
> crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.
>
> Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> *From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
> *To:* scr...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
>
> I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
> sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?
>
> Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I
> think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
> recently about the use of OSM in names.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
>> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>
>> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>>
>> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
>> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
>> > corporation.
>>
>> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
>> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
>> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
>> OSMF Chapter?
>>
>>  Stewart
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Brian Bancroft]

 Hi Matthew, It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where the platform is exactly what they need.Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and task management?Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,BrianFrom: jwhelan0...@gmail.comSent: September 28, 2017 7:06 AMTo: scr...@gmail.comCc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22  I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions recently about the use of OSM in names.Cheerio JohnOn 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com> wrote:On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/

Nope. Wish I could afford it.

> During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
> the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
> corporation.

I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
OSMF Chapter?

 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[john whelan]

I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?

Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I
think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
recently about the use of OSM in names.

Cheerio John

On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:

> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>
> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>
> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
> > corporation.
>
> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
> OSMF Chapter?
>
>  Stewart
>
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[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/

Nope. Wish I could afford it.

> During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
> the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
> corporation.

I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
OSMF Chapter?

 Stewart

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