Re: [Talk-dk] Adding housenumbers with StreetComplete

[Michael Andersen]

On onsdag den 8. november 2017 11.32.58 CET Tobias Zwick wrote:
> > But this also means that the functionality of leaving an OSM note for
> > missing and wrong addresses would be very helpful in Denmark.
> 
> To clarify:
> 
> The app asks for the housenumber of a building and prompts the user to
> input it. This housenumber and only the housenumber is then directly
> added to the OSM database, no note is created for that. (And similarly
> with inputing housenames)
> 
> Only if the user clicks on "Unable to answer", so in case the user
> surveyed the place and could not find a housenumber (or something like
> that), the user is given the choice to instead leave a note and explain
> the situation. The notes generally look like this then:
> 
>   Unable to answer "What is the housenumber of this building?" for
>   https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/[element id] via StreetComplete 3.0:
> 
>   [user message]
> 
> So then, so far, it looks like I shall disable the functionality for
> Denmark.
> 
> Tobias

Yes, please. In Denmark it is merely an annoyance (which so far has caused me 
to use StreetComplete less than I otherwise would).



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Re: [Talk-dk] Adding housenumbers with StreetComplete

[Tobias Zwick]

> But this also means that the functionality of leaving an OSM note for
> missing and wrong addresses would be very helpful in Denmark.

To clarify:

The app asks for the housenumber of a building and prompts the user to
input it. This housenumber and only the housenumber is then directly
added to the OSM database, no note is created for that. (And similarly
with inputing housenames)

Only if the user clicks on "Unable to answer", so in case the user
surveyed the place and could not find a housenumber (or something like
that), the user is given the choice to instead leave a note and explain
the situation. The notes generally look like this then:

  Unable to answer "What is the housenumber of this building?" for
  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/[element id] via StreetComplete 3.0:

  [user message]

So then, so far, it looks like I shall disable the functionality for
Denmark.

Tobias

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Re: [Talk-dk] Adding housenumbers with StreetComplete

[Jørgen Elgaard Larsen]

Tobias Zwick wrote:

So that is why I would like to ask you whether adding any housenumbers > (on 
building outlines) should be disabled for your country in the app.


It should definitively be disabled in Denmark.

First of all, in Denmark, addresses are placed on nodes rather than 
buildings. The nodes are placed where the official address is; Typically 
this is the main entrance of the main building. More importantly, the 
node is the place where ambulances etc. will arrive when summoned to 
that address.


Adding addresses to buildings in Denmark would break this scheme.


As mentioned on the wiki, the data quality of address nodes is quite 
high. But there are a few glitches when data is entered incorrectly in 
the official register by municipality staff. In such cases, the Danish 
OSM community works with the municipalities to have the data corrected 
at the source, i.e. in the municipality systems. This is much 
appreciated by the authorities, and is sometimes showcased as a benefit 
from opening government data to the public.



But this also means that the functionality of leaving an OSM note for 
missing and wrong addresses would be very helpful in Denmark.



- Jørgen

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Re: [Talk-dk] Adding housenumbers with StreetComplete

[Lars Gravengaard]

Hi Tobias

>  I have read that in your country, most (all?) housenumbers are imported
from an official source, regularly.

That true, pls read here >

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:Adresser or
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da=en=y=_t=da=UTF-8=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FDa%3AAdresser=

> So that is why I would like to ask you whether adding any housenumbers
(on building outlines) should be disabled for your country in the app.

In my opinion yes.

Regards
Lars


2017-11-07 20:36 GMT+01:00 Tobias Zwick :

> Hi, I am the author of StreetComplete, an Android app with with which
> surveyors can add data to the map directly. More Info here:
> https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete
>
> Amongst other things, the app incites its users to add housenumbers to
> buildings. I have read that in your country, most (all?) housenumbers
> are imported from an official source, regularly.
>
> On the wiki documentation
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Country_
> specific_rules_and_sources
> , it is not stated clearly whether this is discouraged. So that is why I
> would like to ask you whether adding any housenumbers (on building
> outlines) should be disabled for your country in the app. Ideally, the
> linked wiki should be updated to reflect the decision made.
>
> To help you decide on this, here are some facts about what the app does:
>
> When are users prompted to enter a housenumber?
> ---
>
> 1. Exclusively for buildings tagged as house, residential, apartments,
>detached, terrace, hotel, dormitory, houseboat, school, civic,
>college, university, public, hospital, kindergarten, train_station,
>retail, commercial. Notably not for building=yes
>
> 2. Only for buildings which do not contain (or contain on outline) any
>node that is tagged with a housenumber or -name
>
> 3. Only for buildings that are not contained in a larger area that
>already has a housenumber or -name (such as schools, hospitals,
>campuses etc)
>
> What tags do the users enter?
> -
>
> Users can enter either a addr:housenumber or a addr:housename.
> Alternatively, they can leave an OSM note in which they can explain the
> situation and optionally attach a photo.
> No tags are replaced by this app, the users can only add data. They can
> neither delete previously entered housenumbers nor merge housenumbers
> from nodes onto a building outline and as said above, are also not
> prompted to supply a housenumber for buildings that already contain a
> housenumber node.
>
> -
>
> You might want to follow the forum thread in the Norway and Netherlands
> forum where I asked the same question:
> Norway - https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=671651
> Netherlands - https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=671650
>
> Cheers
> Tobias
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[Talk-dk] Adding housenumbers with StreetComplete

[Tobias Zwick]

Hi, I am the author of StreetComplete, an Android app with with which
surveyors can add data to the map directly. More Info here:
https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete

Amongst other things, the app incites its users to add housenumbers to
buildings. I have read that in your country, most (all?) housenumbers
are imported from an official source, regularly.

On the wiki documentation
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Country_specific_rules_and_sources
, it is not stated clearly whether this is discouraged. So that is why I
would like to ask you whether adding any housenumbers (on building
outlines) should be disabled for your country in the app. Ideally, the
linked wiki should be updated to reflect the decision made.

To help you decide on this, here are some facts about what the app does:

When are users prompted to enter a housenumber?
---

1. Exclusively for buildings tagged as house, residential, apartments,
   detached, terrace, hotel, dormitory, houseboat, school, civic,
   college, university, public, hospital, kindergarten, train_station,
   retail, commercial. Notably not for building=yes

2. Only for buildings which do not contain (or contain on outline) any
   node that is tagged with a housenumber or -name

3. Only for buildings that are not contained in a larger area that
   already has a housenumber or -name (such as schools, hospitals,
   campuses etc)

What tags do the users enter?
-

Users can enter either a addr:housenumber or a addr:housename.
Alternatively, they can leave an OSM note in which they can explain the
situation and optionally attach a photo.
No tags are replaced by this app, the users can only add data. They can
neither delete previously entered housenumbers nor merge housenumbers
from nodes onto a building outline and as said above, are also not
prompted to supply a housenumber for buildings that already contain a
housenumber node.

-

You might want to follow the forum thread in the Norway and Netherlands
forum where I asked the same question:
Norway - https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=671651
Netherlands - https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=671650

Cheers
Tobias

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