Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Anyone in Huntingdon?
David asked: This Cambs CC press release suggests a minor mod to the map is needed. Is anyone near? It's probably not worth me travelling specially to Huntingdon, but if anyone could cover it, that would be good. I'm not, but I think the junction they describe is probably this one: http://osm.org/go/eu69EOEXH-- in case it helps Ed ___ Talk-gb-midanglia mailing list Talk-gb-midanglia@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-midanglia
Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Anyone in Huntingdon?
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ed Loach wrote: David asked: This Cambs CC press release suggests a minor mod to the map is needed. Is anyone near? It's probably not worth me travelling specially to Huntingdon, but if anyone could cover it, that would be good. I'm not, but I think the junction they describe is probably this one: http://osm.org/go/eu69EOEXH-- in case it helps Yes, that is the junction. I drive past it once a week or so. The main changes are traffic lights controlling the junction and the addition of a traffic island in the A141 with a pelican(ish) crossing I will be in Huntingdon on Saturday and could check the crossing type. Does it require any further surveying beyond that? Regards, Richard. ___ Talk-gb-midanglia mailing list Talk-gb-midanglia@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-midanglia
Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Anyone in Huntingdon?
On 20/08/2009 16:46, Richard Smith wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Ed Loach wrote: David asked: This Cambs CC press release suggests a minor mod to the map is needed. Is anyone near? It's probably not worth me travelling specially to Huntingdon, but if anyone could cover it, that would be good. I'm not, but I think the junction they describe is probably this one: http://osm.org/go/eu69EOEXH-- in case it helps Yes, that is the junction. I drive past it once a week or so. The main changes are traffic lights controlling the junction and the addition of a traffic island in the A141 with a pelican(ish) crossing I will be in Huntingdon on Saturday and could check the crossing type. Does it require any further surveying beyond that? Thanks! They mention a new path in their press release, which was the main thing that drew my attention, though maybe it is just a footway alongside the road, I've no way of knowing. I do remember putting a path in between Kings Ripton Road and the bypass where the road was closed off - perhaps they've improved that. David ___ Talk-gb-midanglia mailing list Talk-gb-midanglia@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-midanglia
Re: [Talk-GB] NAPTAN update?
Jason Cunningham wrote: Sent: 19 August 2009 12:49 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NAPTAN update? I found the wiki page giving advice on merging. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:NaPTAN/Surveying_and_Merging_NaPTAN _and_OSM_data But it does need updating. It mentions removing a 'source tag' which doesnt appear to be used, and mentions merging using software but I cant see a way to do that with Potlatch I'll stick with the advice Tom's just given, until its updated. Jason Cunningham 2009/8/19 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:27:37 +0100, Jason Cunningham wrote: Is there any guidance showing how we should deal with these new bus stop? Just looking at my local area, many of the new ones are in the wrong place. But I cant simply move them because there is already a bus stop in the correct location with route information. What is the correct procedure for merging bus stops? What remains, what gets removed? I believe Thomas Wood is planning to improve the wiki. I've made a start in Peckham, where the stops are all there but relations between pairs of stops are patchy, and many stops aren't in the right route relations. Some nodes have the route_ref tag which I'm treating as deprecated due to route relations. NAPTAN nodes have much better information that I don't want to lose. So my approach has been: - move the NAPTAN nodes to the right location and delete the old bus stop node - check the name and other details as one or two have been slightly incorrect - add the NAPTAN node to the right route relations - switch the naptan:verified tag to yes Regards, Tom There's a bit more details via the Birmingham NaPTAN trail page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Birmingham_Trial For an example of what I do when I merge the data see the following node example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/367694067 The tags with naptan: at the front are the import data and the rest are basically what I've taken from the stop sign on the ground. We remove the unverified=yes tag (verified=no perhaps in your case) once a stop has been verified and all the data merging complete. I use the merge tool in JOSM to merge the nodes. You will see also that I add + survey to the source tag. Hope this helps folk. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Spam] Re: NAPTAN update?
On 20 Aug 2009, at 13:21, Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/8/17 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com: I'll start the imports tomorrow. I think it'd be wise to spread them around the country so one group of people aren't entirely swamped with several counties. As such, I'll start with Hull, Greater London and Suffolk, mostly picked based on the impression of eagerness for this to happen in those regions to begin. Shall we continue with Hull and Suffolk now? Yes please Peter -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM coverage in Scotland and Wales
I have done some preliminary measures of OSM coverage for Scotland and Wales based on using NUTS-3 regional boundaries as common ground to compare DfT figures for the length of roads in a local authority against the length of roads in OSM. NUTS-3 is the basis for EU regional statistics, and they publish the boundaries as shapefiles. The precision isn't as great as you get from admin boundaries on OSM, but there are missing admin boundaries in Scotland and Wales, so this is a kind of stop-gap. On the whole the boundaries match up reasonably well, and where they don't exactly correspond, I can normally aggregate the road length statistics for a few authorities to get the figure for the equivalent NUTS region. It's only in the Scottish highlands where this doesn't work too well. Bascially the local authority for the Highlands crosses several NUTS regions, so I've had to take average figures to cope with boundaries that are not aligned. I realise the colouring could do with some work to make it more clear, but first version of the resulting map is here - http://www.reedhome.org.uk/Documents/OSMCover.png The headlines are that Anglesey and Edinburgh look well covered. Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Gwynedd are pretty good. While Powys, Aberdeenshire, Orkney and Shetland are looking a bit thin. For anyone interested in doing a similar exercise elsewhere in Europe, there are Eurostat figures for road lengths at the NUTS-2 level (i.e. the next largest geographical grouping after those I am using here). Eurostat only split Motorways and Other Roads so dealing with dual carriageways etc is going to be a bit iffy. However, I've done a quick comparison of their numbers for the UK, and the rough figures ((motorways * 2) + other roads) gives me a total that isn't a million miles away my more detailed calculations. The Eurostat figures are here - http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/region_cities/regional_s tatistics/data/database under Regional Transport Statistics. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM Coverage in Scotland and Wales
I mean to add this to my previous message - and hit the button too quickly. The shapefiles that I used for boundaries of the NUTS regions are here - http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/gisco/popups/references/ Administrative%20units%20and%20Statistical%20units1 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Spam] Re: NAPTAN update?
Suffolk: Output 6216 StopPoints and 1755 StopAreas Hull: Output 1299 StopPoints and 0 StopAreas Upload will begin shortly. 2009/8/20 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: On 20 Aug 2009, at 13:21, Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/8/17 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com: I'll start the imports tomorrow. I think it'd be wise to spread them around the country so one group of people aren't entirely swamped with several counties. As such, I'll start with Hull, Greater London and Suffolk, mostly picked based on the impression of eagerness for this to happen in those regions to begin. Shall we continue with Hull and Suffolk now? Yes please Peter -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM coverage in Scotland and Wales
Peter Reed wrote: I have done some preliminary measures of OSM coverage for Scotland and Wales based on using NUTS-3 regional boundaries as common ground to compare DfT figures for the length of roads in a local authority against the length of roads in OSM. Peter, Thanks for producing these maps, as they show that OSM's UK coverage is very lop-sided, which needs addressing. Could you change the colour map to have a greater level of contrast? I'm red-green colour blind, and most of Scotland looks the same colour to me. Even where I can see the different shades, I can't match them to the legend, because the background colours are different. Including more primary colours would help immensely -- start at primary red for 50%, for instance. Thanks, Jonathan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Spam] Re: NAPTAN update?
Hull is in as expected. I'm having a few unexpected issues with completing the upload for the Suffolk StopAreas, the remainder are being uploaded slowly. 2009/8/20 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com: Suffolk: Output 6216 StopPoints and 1755 StopAreas Hull: Output 1299 StopPoints and 0 StopAreas Upload will begin shortly. 2009/8/20 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: On 20 Aug 2009, at 13:21, Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/8/17 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com: I'll start the imports tomorrow. I think it'd be wise to spread them around the country so one group of people aren't entirely swamped with several counties. As such, I'll start with Hull, Greater London and Suffolk, mostly picked based on the impression of eagerness for this to happen in those regions to begin. Shall we continue with Hull and Suffolk now? Yes please Peter -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Postcodes map moribund?
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 13:27 +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Ciarán Mooneygeneral.moo...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Seen this map before, very cool. Do you use the postcode=* or add:postcode=* to pull out the areas? postal_code and addr:postcode taken from either nodes or ways -- they all get turned into points then it creates a giant voronoi diagram and pieces together polygons from continuous cells. There's lots of streets tagged postal_code in the UK (mostly with just the prefix from a street sign) and then recently there's lots of buildings and points tagged with addr:postcode so those are included too. There are layers for data from the NPE and FTP projects too. Last updated in May. Dave When you find time to fix the map would it be possible to add post boxes as an additional data source for the OSM layer? Many thanks, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way
The wording I took us from a recent Explorer map. Luke --Original Message-- From: Andy Street To: Luke Bosman Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Public Rights of Way Sent: 20 Aug 2009 20:47 On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 19:20 +, Luke Bosman wrote: The wording is The representation on this map of any other road, track or path is no evidence of the existence of a right of way. Cheers, Luke It depends which map you look at! ;o) I took my wording from an OS 1:25,000 First Edition which is the closest thing I have to an NPE map. Is your wording from NPE or a modern OS map? Andy Lots of planets have a north ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM coverage in Kodachrome
It will be perfectly obvious to all that I am no expert at this, but there is another version of the OSM UK coverage map here http://www.reedhome.org.uk/Documents/OSMCoverColour.png with brighter colours. I've still faded the regions that use NUTS data slightly to try and distinguish them from those based on OSM boundaries. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
