Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Oxted, Reminder: Maidstone 27th March
Anyone want to arrange something an April? hint hint ;-) Yes, I can still do but due to likely work pressure it will now have to be April 10/11 or 17/18 - I'm probably going to have to work until about 1pm-2pm on the weekend of 24/25 and May 1/2/3. I'll see how Haslemere's doing and if it still needs work, if not I'll pick somewhere else (possibly a countryside event) in the same area. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
On 8 March 2010 02:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: So I had a look at the map and have identified a few that could be ticked off in an afternoon by nearby mappers. Thanks, it's good to make OSM to-do lists for everybody, like the UK Mapping Priorities list. - *To complete NCN 3*: St Austell to Truro is only partly mapped Hmm, possible I might do this in May. - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! The end of the mapped route is marked on the ground by some blood and ambulance track marks. Thankfully not mine and OSM on Garmin showed me there was a cafe with a phone across the road (beating the tunnel vision Sustrans route map) when there was no phone signal. I think the route and/or the signs might be confused around there, but it could maybe be worked out by someone who had OSM on their task list. The C2C also has an alternative start point of Workington (instead of Whitehaven) and there is a large section of that from Cockermouth to wherever it joins missing. I have no plans to repeat the C2C in the next year, but I recommend it to others. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
Does anyone know what happens to ncn11 south of Stansted Mountfitchet? I mapped it through to there a few months ago and then went back to take it further but couldn't find it on the ground. I'd assumed it followed the Lea valley maybe via Bishops Stortford and Harlow, but the signs just seem to stop at Stansted Mountfitchet station (that's the village not the airport). David On 8 Mar 2010, at 10:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Hi all, OSM's National Cycle Network coverage is astounding and one of the reasons why everyone loves OpenCycleMap. With the sun finally emerging once again (yay) we've got the chance to fill some of the gaps and make it really useful. Anna and I went out on Saturday to map a recently opened section of National Route 45 (south of Worcester), and it occurred to me that a few afternoons like that would complete coverage of several high-profile routes. So I had a look at the map and have identified a few that could be ticked off in an afternoon by nearby mappers. Obviously, some are already in hand - Gregory W cycled most of NCN 1 last year, for example, and I've got a few planned for this year. == South == - *To complete NCN 3*: St Austell to Truro is only partly mapped - *To complete NCN 4*: Tiny little section in north Bristol (near Catbrain!) needs doing == Midlands == - *To complete Great Central Cycle Ride*: missing section through Daventry == Wales == - *To complete Lon Teifi*: NCN 82 from Cardigan to Fishguard == North == - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! - *To complete the Pennine Cycleway*: NCN 68's alternative route via Burnley and the Leeds Liverpool canal towpath is only partly mapped. - *The new Way of the Roses*: a coast-to-coast route being launched this year, roughly Morecambe-Settle-Harrogate-York-Bridlington. East of York it's fully mapped. Morecambe to York is not yet fully signed. But it'd be great to have it mapped on OSM at launch. - Hadrian's Cycleway (NCN 72) and the Reivers Route (NCN 10) could be completed with a little effort. A few gaps around Sheffield could also be completed fairly easily. Any takers? Or any other gaps in big routes that people have spotted? cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
Harlow to Stansted is still 'under development' according to Sustrans http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/national-cycle-network/route-numbering-system/route-11 PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 08 March 2010 11:38 To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps Does anyone know what happens to ncn11 south of Stansted Mountfitchet? I mapped it through to there a few months ago and then went back to take it further but couldn't find it on the ground. I'd assumed it followed the Lea valley maybe via Bishops Stortford and Harlow, but the signs just seem to stop at Stansted Mountfitchet station (that's the village not the airport). David On 8 Mar 2010, at 10:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Hi all, OSM's National Cycle Network coverage is astounding and one of the reasons why everyone loves OpenCycleMap. With the sun finally emerging once again (yay) we've got the chance to fill some of the gaps and make it really useful. Anna and I went out on Saturday to map a recently opened section of National Route 45 (south of Worcester), and it occurred to me that a few afternoons like that would complete coverage of several high-profile routes. So I had a look at the map and have identified a few that could be ticked off in an afternoon by nearby mappers. Obviously, some are already in hand - Gregory W cycled most of NCN 1 last year, for example, and I've got a few planned for this year. == South == - *To complete NCN 3*: St Austell to Truro is only partly mapped - *To complete NCN 4*: Tiny little section in north Bristol (near Catbrain!) needs doing == Midlands == - *To complete Great Central Cycle Ride*: missing section through Daventry == Wales == - *To complete Lon Teifi*: NCN 82 from Cardigan to Fishguard == North == - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! - *To complete the Pennine Cycleway*: NCN 68's alternative route via Burnley and the Leeds Liverpool canal towpath is only partly mapped. - *The new Way of the Roses*: a coast-to-coast route being launched this year, roughly Morecambe-Settle-Harrogate-York-Bridlington. East of York it's fully mapped. Morecambe to York is not yet fully signed. But it'd be great to have it mapped on OSM at launch. - Hadrian's Cycleway (NCN 72) and the Reivers Route (NCN 10) could be completed with a little effort. A few gaps around Sheffield could also be completed fairly easily. Any takers? Or any other gaps in big routes that people have spotted? cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
On 08/03/10 11:37, David Earl wrote: Does anyone know what happens to ncn11 south of Stansted Mountfitchet? I mapped it through to there a few months ago and then went back to take it further but couldn't find it on the ground. I'd assumed it followed the Lea valley maybe via Bishops Stortford and Harlow, but the signs just seem to stop at Stansted Mountfitchet station (that's the village not the airport). It can't possibly follow the Lea from Stortford to Harlow... The Stort maybe, but not the Lea... The Lea Valley is the 1 as far as Hoddesdon and then the 61 as far as Hertford where the 61 heads off along the Cole Green Way. The 1 leaves the Lea somewhere near Rye house and heads over the Harlow although that part of the route doesn't seem to be fixed yet - my guess is that the plan is to follow the Stort from where it leaves the Lea over towards Harlow. Presumably the 11 diverges from 1 somewhere and goes to Stansted rather than Cambridge? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
I should point out that I've still got some of my data from last summer's trip to be entered. This includes bits of NCR1, RCR30 in East Anglia, and NCR13. However, I've been very busy lately hence not really managing to get the data entered particularly fast. There could be quite a bit more to do in Wales in the future with all of the new NCN routes that are currently being proposed there. Cheers, Gregory -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst Sent: 8 March 2010 10:24 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps Hi all, OSM's National Cycle Network coverage is astounding and one of the reasons why everyone loves OpenCycleMap. With the sun finally emerging once again (yay) we've got the chance to fill some of the gaps and make it really useful. Anna and I went out on Saturday to map a recently opened section of National Route 45 (south of Worcester), and it occurred to me that a few afternoons like that would complete coverage of several high-profile routes. So I had a look at the map and have identified a few that could be ticked off in an afternoon by nearby mappers. Obviously, some are already in hand - Gregory W cycled most of NCN 1 last year, for example, and I've got a few planned for this year. == South == - *To complete NCN 3*: St Austell to Truro is only partly mapped - *To complete NCN 4*: Tiny little section in north Bristol (near Catbrain!) needs doing == Midlands == - *To complete Great Central Cycle Ride*: missing section through Daventry == Wales == - *To complete Lon Teifi*: NCN 82 from Cardigan to Fishguard == North == - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! - *To complete the Pennine Cycleway*: NCN 68's alternative route via Burnley and the Leeds Liverpool canal towpath is only partly mapped. - *The new Way of the Roses*: a coast-to-coast route being launched this year, roughly Morecambe-Settle-Harrogate-York-Bridlington. East of York it's fully mapped. Morecambe to York is not yet fully signed. But it'd be great to have it mapped on OSM at launch. - Hadrian's Cycleway (NCN 72) and the Reivers Route (NCN 10) could be completed with a little effort. A few gaps around Sheffield could also be completed fairly easily. Any takers? Or any other gaps in big routes that people have spotted? cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
Gregory wrote: On 8 March 2010 02:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! The end of the mapped route is marked on the ground by some blood and ambulance track marks. That sounds awfully familiar. My C2C attempt ended in a similar heap of blood and gristle at the bottom of a hill where I'd spotted the signpost too late. One of the reasons to improve OSM's NCN coverage is that future cyclists can be warned in good time by the map on their Garmin, rather than having to squint for a little blue sign. :) cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
On 8 March 2010 14:46, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Gregory wrote: On 8 March 2010 02:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! The end of the mapped route is marked on the ground by some blood and ambulance track marks. That sounds awfully familiar. My C2C attempt ended in a similar heap of blood and gristle at the bottom of a hill where I'd spotted the signpost too late. One of the reasons to improve OSM's NCN coverage is that future cyclists can be warned in good time by the map on their Garmin, rather than having to squint for a little blue sign. :) cheers Richard Not a lot of use when the route goes through yet another gap that's not big enough for your bike, and you have to leap off, and go through sideways, holding your bike over you head yet again, (This happens several times on NCN1 in Medway (and I'm not that fat really!) and that's when the route has not yet again taken some scenic diversion yet again around some bush No help from any Garmin is going to help you follow and actual get along NCN1 (at about this point you give up and cycle along the A2 (Which in this case has quite a nice cycle track along the side.) Peter. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: . POI, track, and photo collection would be useful additional features, along with something to highlight in the directions where there is a FIXME or OSMbug entry nearby on the map. I think that integrating these features into Navit (perhaps as plugins), rather than having a separate app would be of much greater benefit. Robert (Jamie) Munro Robert, I am not sure that adding more features to another application is the best way to do it - To be useful something like POI and photo collection needs to be really simple, without having to go through a lot of menus to get there. Therefore I think it would be best to have one application that does navigation, and another one for collecting mapping information or tweaking the map on the go. So I am navigating somewhere, and I notice a missing POI. I have to exit the app, load another app, wait for the map to download, navigate different menus to the ones I am used to, then I can make a note of the problem. I then have to exit that app, load my navigation app and hope that it has remembered where I was going. Alternatively: I press the camera button on the phone and take a picture inisde my navigation app. This gets marked on the map, and saved for later, and I am presented with a menu on the screen asking me to say why I have taken a photo, either by selecting a preset, by leaving a text note or by leaving a voice note. Once I've pressed that, I'm straight back into navigation. I should be able to do this with 2 clicks, e.g. when stopped at traffic lights, or pulled over for just a moment. Another situation: Perhaps I see a road not on the map (preferably that looks like it might go in roughly the direction of my destination). I turn into this road. The navigation app notices I have gone off road, records a trace, and gives me a direction and distance arrow to my destination. When I reach a road that is back on the map, the app recalculates my route from that point, and stops the trace. No clicks at all needed, so I can improve the map without stopping. It can upload the trace to OSM, and when I get home I can convert it into a street using JOSM in no time. Of course, at any point during the above, I could have pressed the camera button to record a photo with position and add a note, e.g. to record a junction or to record the road name with a voice note. Another advantage: People aren't going to install a POI collecting app unless they are heavily into OSM. They will probably install a sat-nav app people have recommended if they ever want to go anywhere. They might drive down roads not on the map either by mistake, by curiosity, or because they know where they are going even if the map doesn't. Once they learn they can fix the map, they may well become a keen mapper. Will having apps mean that I need to copies of the map on my phone? That seems like a waste of space. So we have to ensure that they can both read the same data file. Don't say that it will download over the net, because probably most of the unmapped countryside has no 3G coverage. A lot has no coverage at all. So that will be painful if it works at all. Particularly if 2 apps are downloading data at the same time. No, it needs to be one app. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuVGUwACgkQz+aYVHdncI3+jwCfZxf6rxRj7uDP9ZY3P4ZDgWrp 484Anin6AaUHNaFJMblfMoIZw5Oq4iDj =jNaA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] rendering locks
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:32:59PM GMT, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Steve Chilton wrote: two nodes with waterway=lock_gate at either end of a way tagged waterway=canal;lock=yes and single node with waterway=lock OR lock=yes (with lock-gates not mapped) These are definitely sensible. (I have a preference for the latter on the UK canal system.) I use the first of these two options and include name and ref too. It could easily be argued that length and width tags should be added as few locks conform to a standard size and you clearly need to know if you'd like to take your sixty foot narrowboat on a waterway that has locks only forty foot long. I think in time we may need to map some locks as areas, though in Britain there aren't that many big enough to justify the treatment. Eastham Lock certainly is! Agreed, while not perhaps not as common in the UK, the locks on, say, the Rhine, Danube or Panama Canal are the size of several football pitches, so an area is far more logical. Al ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] rendering locks
Al Girling wrote: Sent: 08 March 2010 4:49 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] rendering locks On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:32:59PM GMT, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Steve Chilton wrote: two nodes with waterway=lock_gate at either end of a way tagged waterway=canal;lock=yes and single node with waterway=lock OR lock=yes (with lock-gates not mapped) These are definitely sensible. (I have a preference for the latter on the UK canal system.) I use the first of these two options and include name and ref too. It could easily be argued that length and width tags should be added as few locks conform to a standard size and you clearly need to know if you'd like to take your sixty foot narrowboat on a waterway that has locks only forty foot long. I think in time we may need to map some locks as areas, though in Britain there aren't that many big enough to justify the treatment. Eastham Lock certainly is! Agreed, while not perhaps not as common in the UK, the locks on, say, the Rhine, Danube or Panama Canal are the size of several football pitches, so an area is far more logical. Arguably when they are this size you can draw in the individual features. The bathtub as an area, lock gates as ways (your choice whether the gates are open or closed ;-) ) and all the little tunnels that take water around the gates. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps
On 8 March 2010 15:37, Gregory Williams gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk wrote: -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Childs Sent: 8 March 2010 15:24 To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps On 8 March 2010 14:46, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Gregory wrote: On 8 March 2010 02:23, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: - *To complete the C2C*: Forest section near Keswick - the one gap in our coverage of the NCN's most popular route! The end of the mapped route is marked on the ground by some blood and ambulance track marks. That sounds awfully familiar. My C2C attempt ended in a similar heap of blood and gristle at the bottom of a hill where I'd spotted the signpost too late. One of the reasons to improve OSM's NCN coverage is that future cyclists can be warned in good time by the map on their Garmin, rather than having to squint for a little blue sign. :) cheers Richard Not a lot of use when the route goes through yet another gap that's not big enough for your bike, and you have to leap off, and go through sideways, holding your bike over you head yet again, (This happens several times on NCN1 in Medway (and I'm not that fat really!) and that's when the route has not yet again taken some scenic diversion yet again around some bush No help from any Garmin is going to help you follow and actual get along NCN1 (at about this point you give up and cycle along the A2 (Which in this case has quite a nice cycle track along the side.) Are you sure that you're following the official NCR1 through Medway, Peter? Admittedly there are a few motorcycle inhibitors, but I've been able to take a bike loaded with four panniers through there quite easily. I assume that you turn your handlebars 45 degrees to pass through the motorcycle inhibitors? (Oh, and if you're riding a tandem then I know that that's an exception to the rule...). Gregory Yes I could fit the bike through by turning the handle bars by 45 but I still had to go through side on and I'm not that wide at the shoulders. I also kept losing it and had to go back and play hunt the small blue sign Peter. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Hi-Vis Jackets
Hi Everyone, Just to let you know that the OpenStreetMap Surveyors Jackets are now available to buy online. I'm selling them on behalf of the OSMF, who supply me the vests and receive £10 for every sale. Sizes available are Small, Medium, Large or Extra Large. If you’re looking for a bulk order, please get in touch, and we'll find a way to minimise the postage costs. http://shop.opencyclemap.org/products/openstreetmap-surveryors-jacket http://shop.opencyclemap.org Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
Robert, I know what you mean - the idea of including lots of things in a single application sounds good. My problem with it is that it also makes it complicated. Thing of GPSMid for J2ME - it is a nice navigation program with some map info collecting features. Unfortunately you have to go through a lot of menus to get to them. In the end I re-defined the shortcut keys to make navigation harder but map info collecting easier. I tend to think about how to use it when cycling along, so one handed operation is essential, and lots of menus to navigate get dangerous! It probably depends on how well written the UI is, and if it is configurable for what you do a lot. Graham On 8 March 2010 15:35, Robert (Jamie) Munro rjmu...@arjam.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: . POI, track, and photo collection would be useful additional features, along with something to highlight in the directions where there is a FIXME or OSMbug entry nearby on the map. I think that integrating these features into Navit (perhaps as plugins), rather than having a separate app would be of much greater benefit. Robert (Jamie) Munro Robert, I am not sure that adding more features to another application is the best way to do it - To be useful something like POI and photo collection needs to be really simple, without having to go through a lot of menus to get there. Therefore I think it would be best to have one application that does navigation, and another one for collecting mapping information or tweaking the map on the go. So I am navigating somewhere, and I notice a missing POI. I have to exit the app, load another app, wait for the map to download, navigate different menus to the ones I am used to, then I can make a note of the problem. I then have to exit that app, load my navigation app and hope that it has remembered where I was going. Alternatively: I press the camera button on the phone and take a picture inisde my navigation app. This gets marked on the map, and saved for later, and I am presented with a menu on the screen asking me to say why I have taken a photo, either by selecting a preset, by leaving a text note or by leaving a voice note. Once I've pressed that, I'm straight back into navigation. I should be able to do this with 2 clicks, e.g. when stopped at traffic lights, or pulled over for just a moment. Another situation: Perhaps I see a road not on the map (preferably that looks like it might go in roughly the direction of my destination). I turn into this road. The navigation app notices I have gone off road, records a trace, and gives me a direction and distance arrow to my destination. When I reach a road that is back on the map, the app recalculates my route from that point, and stops the trace. No clicks at all needed, so I can improve the map without stopping. It can upload the trace to OSM, and when I get home I can convert it into a street using JOSM in no time. Of course, at any point during the above, I could have pressed the camera button to record a photo with position and add a note, e.g. to record a junction or to record the road name with a voice note. Another advantage: People aren't going to install a POI collecting app unless they are heavily into OSM. They will probably install a sat-nav app people have recommended if they ever want to go anywhere. They might drive down roads not on the map either by mistake, by curiosity, or because they know where they are going even if the map doesn't. Once they learn they can fix the map, they may well become a keen mapper. Will having apps mean that I need to copies of the map on my phone? That seems like a waste of space. So we have to ensure that they can both read the same data file. Don't say that it will download over the net, because probably most of the unmapped countryside has no 3G coverage. A lot has no coverage at all. So that will be painful if it works at all. Particularly if 2 apps are downloading data at the same time. No, it needs to be one app. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuVGUwACgkQz+aYVHdncI3+jwCfZxf6rxRj7uDP9ZY3P4ZDgWrp 484Anin6AaUHNaFJMblfMoIZw5Oq4iDj =jNaA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps - NCN54
Someoneelse wrote: Another North Midlands one that could do with checking is NCN54: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=37545 OSM has the northern section of it marked as going all the way up the High Peak Trail to meet the Tissington Trail and NCN68 as well as turning left down Minninglow Lane towards Hulme End - I suspect that the northern High Peak Trail bit is probably wishful thinking. Also, there seems to be a gap just south of Hartington (just after it crosses from Derbyshire into Staffordshire). There's also an NCN54A marked on the ground and as an ncn_ref in OSM, but not as a relation near the High Peak Trail west of Wirksworth. Googling it suggests that the CTC seem to know about that, but there's no mention on Sustrans' site. I've cycled large chunks of NCN 54 and can confirm that the route is indeed beyond insane. I have a sneaking suspicion that it was NCN 54 that prompted Sustrans to rethink their numbering system. The current route as conceived is shaped like a reverse P. It begins with Stourport-Kidderminster-Stourbridge-Dudley, then it follows NCN 81 and 5 for a while, then Lichfield-Burton-Etwall. At Etwall it starts the 'White Peak Loop', the top of the P, by heading clockwise to Uttoxeter, then the Manifold Trail, the High Peak Trail, back down via the Little Eaton tramway, Derby, and down the railway path to Etwall again. Then there's these funny 54A and 54C appendages (both of which I've seen on the ground, with lovely little wooden signs) and 54B (which I don't recall, but I think it's the northern High Peak Trail that you refer to). There's a PDF somewhere on the web which describes all of these. It was, I think, a Peak District National Park project with some European funding. It gets better. There's an alternative braid from near Stourport to near Kidderminster which is either a regional route or part of NCN 54 depending what you read. Kidderminster to Stourbridge is not open yet and the towpath isn't great. The bit through Dudley isn't open, either, but the Old Main Line towpath seems to have been upgraded in readiness. There then appears to be an intention to route it up the Wyrley Essington towpath or something, rather than the 81/5 multiplex. This is near-ish to Andy's patch and he may know more. North of Alrewas there's a less than ideal bit of route which follows the footpath of the horrid, horrid A38 dual carriageway. In Burton-on- Trent (where I write this), there's a half-complete new route which is signed but yet peters out in a field. In the last year a new cycle path has been installed along a main road, nowhere much near NCN 54, but it has completely isolated NCN 54 signing for no readily discernible reason. Then it follows the A38 again (the intention is to build a new traffic-free route) before finally, to great relief, joining the lovely railway path. From here to Uttoxeter is fine, then it's unsigned until you get to the Peak District bits, then there's the A/B/C stuff, then unsigned from High Peak Junction to Little Eaton. And then you get to Derby which has Local Route 66 and Regional Route 66. Which are different. I should point out that lots of the route is really lovely despite the confusing numbering. Still, three-digit NCN numbers for the epic win. :) cheers Richard (Incidentally, the newly signposted part of NCN 45 which we explored on Saturday was perhaps the most clearly waymarked route I've followed...) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps - NCN54
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sent: 08 March 2010 11:24 PM To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps - NCN54 Someoneelse wrote: Another North Midlands one that could do with checking is NCN54: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=37545 OSM has the northern section of it marked as going all the way up the High Peak Trail to meet the Tissington Trail and NCN68 as well as turning left down Minninglow Lane towards Hulme End - I suspect that the northern High Peak Trail bit is probably wishful thinking. Also, there seems to be a gap just south of Hartington (just after it crosses from Derbyshire into Staffordshire). There's also an NCN54A marked on the ground and as an ncn_ref in OSM, but not as a relation near the High Peak Trail west of Wirksworth. Googling it suggests that the CTC seem to know about that, but there's no mention on Sustrans' site. I've cycled large chunks of NCN 54 and can confirm that the route is indeed beyond insane. I have a sneaking suspicion that it was NCN 54 that prompted Sustrans to rethink their numbering system. The current route as conceived is shaped like a reverse P. It begins with Stourport-Kidderminster-Stourbridge-Dudley, then it follows NCN 81 and 5 for a while, then Lichfield-Burton-Etwall. At Etwall it starts the 'White Peak Loop', the top of the P, by heading clockwise to Uttoxeter, then the Manifold Trail, the High Peak Trail, back down via the Little Eaton tramway, Derby, and down the railway path to Etwall again. Then there's these funny 54A and 54C appendages (both of which I've seen on the ground, with lovely little wooden signs) and 54B (which I don't recall, but I think it's the northern High Peak Trail that you refer to). There's a PDF somewhere on the web which describes all of these. It was, I think, a Peak District National Park project with some European funding. It gets better. There's an alternative braid from near Stourport to near Kidderminster which is either a regional route or part of NCN 54 depending what you read. Kidderminster to Stourbridge is not open yet and the towpath isn't great. The bit through Dudley isn't open, either, but the Old Main Line towpath seems to have been upgraded in readiness. There then appears to be an intention to route it up the Wyrley Essington towpath or something, rather than the 81/5 multiplex. This is near-ish to Andy's patch and he may know more. Yes, there are planned changes but I'd need to check exactly what the final plan is and the timing. I'll drop the area managers a note. Also Route 5 currently runs to Lichfield along with the 54. The 5 will be diverted soon to run north through Cannock Chase to leave 54 alone running to Lichfield from the south. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
