Re: [Talk-GB] OS Locator - using in JOSM

[Robert Scott]

On Wednesday 21 April 2010, David Dixon wrote:
> I've been playing with the OS OpenData Locator dataset, which contains 
> the XY coordinates for the ends & midpoint of many of the UK's roads. 
> This gazetteer appears to complement the StreetView data - some (short) 
> streets whose names are absent from StreetView are included in OS 
> Locator. Conversely, some streets named in StreetView are absent from OS 
> Locator.
> 
> I've come up with a relatively painless way of getting the midpoint data 
> into an overlay in JOSM - see the wiki for details:
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#OS_Locator
> 
> If anyone can't get this working, I might be persuaded to format a 
> county or two - do get in touch.  I can't guarantee a quick turnaround 
> though!

We could probably quite easily generate a comparison between OSM and OS 
streetnames, matching similarly named streets within the same vicinity in both 
datasets. This could pick up quite a few useful things like disagreements 
between spelling.


robert.

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[Talk-GB] OS Locator - using in JOSM

[David Dixon]

I've been playing with the OS OpenData Locator dataset, which contains 
the XY coordinates for the ends & midpoint of many of the UK's roads. 
This gazetteer appears to complement the StreetView data - some (short) 
streets whose names are absent from StreetView are included in OS 
Locator. Conversely, some streets named in StreetView are absent from OS 
Locator.

I've come up with a relatively painless way of getting the midpoint data 
into an overlay in JOSM - see the wiki for details:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#OS_Locator

If anyone can't get this working, I might be persuaded to format a 
county or two - do get in touch.  I can't guarantee a quick turnaround 
though!

David

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Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges

[Gregory]

This is kind of the idea I had, but I don't think anyone really has the
ability to be on task force. Often my only barrier would be travel(public
transport) and accommodation costs. For others there are work and family
commitments.

I think I might do some Workington OS tracing around the bridges/river yet
clearly leave most of the town untouched. I have a friend who lives locally
that I want to brag about the bridges too and it might get her interested.
I'll document anything I do on the Cumbria wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cumbria

On 21 April 2010 05:35, John Robert Peterson  wrote:

> This may be tantamount to hijacking a perfectly good forum post, and
> for that I apologise, but how's this for an idea:
>
> Form a mapping taskforce -- a group of dedicated seasoned mapping
> party attendants. When an area is put forward for requiring imediate
> attention (workington being a suitable example) the area is imediatly
> updated to the best level of information avilaable from any available
> source, then the task force arainges a mapping party in the area a
> short period (months or weeks) later to perfect it, spreading into
> neighboring areas where time allows.
>
> Locals would be pulled in to the effort through local media advertising.
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
> On 21 April 2010 11:51, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
>  wrote:
> > Gregory wrote:
> >>Sent: 21 April 2010 11:38 AM
> >>To: Tim François
> >>Cc: OSM Talk-GB
> >>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
> >>
> >>The bridges look good, but the town is clearly lacking.
> >>Now we have OS Street View, we could quickly respond to natural disasters
> >>by improving the mappedness of the area.
> >>
> >>Of course the argument still remains that it can mean the area never gets
> >>well mapped. But think, if people see their local bridges in a news story
> >>about the fastest responding map, and then just out of town their street
> is
> >>missing or they go for walks in the Cumbria countryside, they could be
> >>encouraged to get adding to the amazing OSM.
> >>Even better would be if 1-2 months later a mapping party, or just a
> >>talk/workshop was held locally, but I don't know that anyone is around or
> >>able to travel there to do so.
> >>
> >
> > We had a discussion about this point during the Kidderminster mapping
> party
> > on Saturday. Our decision (relating to the Black Country in our case) was
> > that we would use OS OpenData StreetView, especially in partly mapped
> areas,
> > but we would record some info on the wiki for each area covered so that
> we
> > know which locations (slices of the cake) need still to have a ground
> > survey. It also permits a local mapper to bag a spot for ground surveying
> if
> > they would prefer to work with a blank canvas. I'd encourage mappers who
> are
> > tempted to map "off-piste" to document what they are doing on an
> appropriate
> > wiki page for the area in question. That at least informs others that
> come
> > along later.
> >
> > As for Workington, I'm up in the area in a couple of weeks and if I have
> > time I'll drop by and do a check of the bridges if someone hasn't got
> there
> > before me.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >>
> >>On 21 April 2010 02:39, Tim François  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>I think that was the one they 'officially opened' on the One Show
> yesterday
> >>(BBC 1, on the iPlayer now) with a load of RiverDance girls - I kid you
> >>not
> >>
> >>Tim
> >>
> >>--- On Wed, 21/4/10, Russ Phillips  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   From: Russ Phillips 
> >>   Subject: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
> >>   To: "OSM Talk-GB" 
> >>   Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 10:34
> >>
> >>
> >>   After the November floods, the map of Workington [1] in Cumbria
> was
> >>   updated very quickly to show the state of the bridges, and the
> >>   location of the temporary road bridge that was to be built. I've
> > just
> >>   read on the BBC news site [2] that the temporary bridge is to open
> >>   today, at 10:30. Can a local please update the map? I'm wary of
> >>   changing it remotely.
> >>
> >>   I'm giving a presentation/demonstration on OSM to my local LUG
> soon,
> >>   and I'd really like to use this as an example of how OSM can be
> >>better
> >>   than commercial maps, especially since TomTom's VP of ecommerce
> told
> >>   PC Pro "There are services like OpenStreetMap, and it's good, but
> >>   sometimes there's not a bridge when it told you there would be."
> > [3],
> >>   and their map of Workington still routes people over the damaged
> >>   bridges :)
> >>
> >>   Russ
> >>
> >>
> >>   [1]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.64893&lon=-3.54955&zoom=16
> >>   [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8627276.stm
> >>   [3]
> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/356008/tomtom-shrugs-off-free-apps-
> >>threat-with-new-iphone-app
> >>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK counties

[Andrew M. Bishop]

"Andy Mabbett"  writes:

> On Tue, April 20, 2010 09:52, Ed Loach wrote:
>
>> I think in some places there are relations for both admin boundary
>> and ceremonial county, if that is the same as traditional.

> Is there an easy way (a wiki page, perhaps; or some kind of category view)
> to see links to all such relations, and other such sets, as a list?

I have a web page that contains all OSM route and boundary relations
in a browsable, sortable, map enabled viewer.  It can also tell you
about some of their interesting tags, their length, their shape
(closed loop or not) and the number of nodes and ways they contain.

http://www.gedanken.org.uk/mapping/osm-boundaries/
http://www.gedanken.org.uk/mapping/osm-routes/

I also have similar pages for certain types of nodes (amenity, shop,
tourism, historic) which are linked from the above.

The data is extracted from OSM twice a week and covers the UK.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges

[John Robert Peterson]

This may be tantamount to hijacking a perfectly good forum post, and
for that I apologise, but how's this for an idea:

Form a mapping taskforce -- a group of dedicated seasoned mapping
party attendants. When an area is put forward for requiring imediate
attention (workington being a suitable example) the area is imediatly
updated to the best level of information avilaable from any available
source, then the task force arainges a mapping party in the area a
short period (months or weeks) later to perfect it, spreading into
neighboring areas where time allows.

Locals would be pulled in to the effort through local media advertising.

JR




On 21 April 2010 11:51, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
 wrote:
> Gregory wrote:
>>Sent: 21 April 2010 11:38 AM
>>To: Tim François
>>Cc: OSM Talk-GB
>>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
>>
>>The bridges look good, but the town is clearly lacking.
>>Now we have OS Street View, we could quickly respond to natural disasters
>>by improving the mappedness of the area.
>>
>>Of course the argument still remains that it can mean the area never gets
>>well mapped. But think, if people see their local bridges in a news story
>>about the fastest responding map, and then just out of town their street is
>>missing or they go for walks in the Cumbria countryside, they could be
>>encouraged to get adding to the amazing OSM.
>>Even better would be if 1-2 months later a mapping party, or just a
>>talk/workshop was held locally, but I don't know that anyone is around or
>>able to travel there to do so.
>>
>
> We had a discussion about this point during the Kidderminster mapping party
> on Saturday. Our decision (relating to the Black Country in our case) was
> that we would use OS OpenData StreetView, especially in partly mapped areas,
> but we would record some info on the wiki for each area covered so that we
> know which locations (slices of the cake) need still to have a ground
> survey. It also permits a local mapper to bag a spot for ground surveying if
> they would prefer to work with a blank canvas. I'd encourage mappers who are
> tempted to map "off-piste" to document what they are doing on an appropriate
> wiki page for the area in question. That at least informs others that come
> along later.
>
> As for Workington, I'm up in the area in a couple of weeks and if I have
> time I'll drop by and do a check of the bridges if someone hasn't got there
> before me.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>>
>>On 21 April 2010 02:39, Tim François  wrote:
>>
>>
>>I think that was the one they 'officially opened' on the One Show yesterday
>>(BBC 1, on the iPlayer now) with a load of RiverDance girls - I kid you
>>not
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>--- On Wed, 21/4/10, Russ Phillips  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>       From: Russ Phillips 
>>       Subject: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
>>       To: "OSM Talk-GB" 
>>       Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 10:34
>>
>>
>>       After the November floods, the map of Workington [1] in Cumbria was
>>       updated very quickly to show the state of the bridges, and the
>>       location of the temporary road bridge that was to be built. I've
> just
>>       read on the BBC news site [2] that the temporary bridge is to open
>>       today, at 10:30. Can a local please update the map? I'm wary of
>>       changing it remotely.
>>
>>       I'm giving a presentation/demonstration on OSM to my local LUG soon,
>>       and I'd really like to use this as an example of how OSM can be
>>better
>>       than commercial maps, especially since TomTom's VP of ecommerce told
>>       PC Pro "There are services like OpenStreetMap, and it's good, but
>>       sometimes there's not a bridge when it told you there would be."
> [3],
>>       and their map of Workington still routes people over the damaged
>>       bridges :)
>>
>>       Russ
>>
>>
>>       [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.64893&lon=-3.54955&zoom=16
>>       [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8627276.stm
>>       [3] http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/356008/tomtom-shrugs-off-free-apps-
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Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges

[Nick Whitelegg]

>We had a discussion about this point during the Kidderminster mapping 
party
>on Saturday. Our decision (relating to the Black Country in our case) was
>that we would use OS OpenData StreetView, especially in partly mapped 
areas,
>but we would record some info on the wiki for each area covered so that 
we
>know which locations (slices of the cake) need still to have a ground
>survey. It also permits a local mapper to bag a spot for ground surveying 
if
>they would prefer to work with a blank canvas. I'd encourage mappers who 
are
>tempted to map "off-piste" to document what they are doing on an 
appropriate
>wiki page for the area in question. That at least informs others that 
come
>along later.

It's an interesting point about OS. There's a mapping party in Andover 
(Hants) in a few weeks and my own feeling is that it would be more "fun" 
to do on the ground surveying at a pre-arranged party rather than just 
copying from OS Street View. I suppose for pure "getting the mapping done" 
one should use OS but my own preference is just to use it to check whether 
GPS trace artefacts were artefacts(e.g. a kink in a street I surveyed at 
Haslemere last week) and to check for blank streets - particularly as one 
cannot guarantee the accuracy of the OS data anyway.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges

[Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)]

Gregory wrote:
>Sent: 21 April 2010 11:38 AM
>To: Tim François
>Cc: OSM Talk-GB
>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
>
>The bridges look good, but the town is clearly lacking.
>Now we have OS Street View, we could quickly respond to natural disasters
>by improving the mappedness of the area.
>
>Of course the argument still remains that it can mean the area never gets
>well mapped. But think, if people see their local bridges in a news story
>about the fastest responding map, and then just out of town their street is
>missing or they go for walks in the Cumbria countryside, they could be
>encouraged to get adding to the amazing OSM.
>Even better would be if 1-2 months later a mapping party, or just a
>talk/workshop was held locally, but I don't know that anyone is around or
>able to travel there to do so.
>

We had a discussion about this point during the Kidderminster mapping party
on Saturday. Our decision (relating to the Black Country in our case) was
that we would use OS OpenData StreetView, especially in partly mapped areas,
but we would record some info on the wiki for each area covered so that we
know which locations (slices of the cake) need still to have a ground
survey. It also permits a local mapper to bag a spot for ground surveying if
they would prefer to work with a blank canvas. I'd encourage mappers who are
tempted to map "off-piste" to document what they are doing on an appropriate
wiki page for the area in question. That at least informs others that come
along later.

As for Workington, I'm up in the area in a couple of weeks and if I have
time I'll drop by and do a check of the bridges if someone hasn't got there
before me.

Cheers

Andy


>
>On 21 April 2010 02:39, Tim François  wrote:
>
>
>I think that was the one they 'officially opened' on the One Show yesterday
>(BBC 1, on the iPlayer now) with a load of RiverDance girls - I kid you
>not
>
>Tim
>
>--- On Wed, 21/4/10, Russ Phillips  wrote:
>
>
>
>   From: Russ Phillips 
>   Subject: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
>   To: "OSM Talk-GB" 
>   Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 10:34
>
>
>   After the November floods, the map of Workington [1] in Cumbria was
>   updated very quickly to show the state of the bridges, and the
>   location of the temporary road bridge that was to be built. I've
just
>   read on the BBC news site [2] that the temporary bridge is to open
>   today, at 10:30. Can a local please update the map? I'm wary of
>   changing it remotely.
>
>   I'm giving a presentation/demonstration on OSM to my local LUG soon,
>   and I'd really like to use this as an example of how OSM can be
>better
>   than commercial maps, especially since TomTom's VP of ecommerce told
>   PC Pro "There are services like OpenStreetMap, and it's good, but
>   sometimes there's not a bridge when it told you there would be."
[3],
>   and their map of Workington still routes people over the damaged
>   bridges :)
>
>   Russ
>
>
>   [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.64893&lon=-3.54955&zoom=16
>   [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8627276.stm
>   [3] http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/356008/tomtom-shrugs-off-free-apps-
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Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges

[Gregory]

The bridges look good, but the town is clearly lacking.
Now we have OS Street View, we could quickly respond to natural disasters by
improving the mappedness of the area.

Of course the argument still remains that it can mean the area never gets
well mapped. But think, if people see their local bridges in a news story
about the fastest responding map, and then just out of town their street is
missing or they go for walks in the Cumbria countryside, they could be
encouraged to get adding to the amazing OSM.
Even better would be if 1-2 months later a mapping party, or just a
talk/workshop was held locally, but I don't know that anyone is around or
able to travel there to do so.

On 21 April 2010 02:39, Tim François  wrote:

> I think that was the one they 'officially opened' on the One Show yesterday
> (BBC 1, on the iPlayer now) with a load of RiverDance girls - I kid you
> not
>
> Tim
>
> --- On *Wed, 21/4/10, Russ Phillips * wrote:
>
>
> From: Russ Phillips 
> Subject: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
> To: "OSM Talk-GB" 
> Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 10:34
>
>
> After the November floods, the map of Workington [1] in Cumbria was
> updated very quickly to show the state of the bridges, and the
> location of the temporary road bridge that was to be built. I've just
> read on the BBC news site [2] that the temporary bridge is to open
> today, at 10:30. Can a local please update the map? I'm wary of
> changing it remotely.
>
> I'm giving a presentation/demonstration on OSM to my local LUG soon,
> and I'd really like to use this as an example of how OSM can be better
> than commercial maps, especially since TomTom's VP of ecommerce told
> PC Pro "There are services like OpenStreetMap, and it's good, but
> sometimes there's not a bridge when it told you there would be." [3],
> and their map of Workington still routes people over the damaged
> bridges :)
>
> Russ
>
>
> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.64893&lon=-3.54955&zoom=16
> [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8627276.stm
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Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges

[Tim François]

I think that was the one they 'officially opened' on the One Show yesterday 
(BBC 1, on the iPlayer now) with a load of RiverDance girls - I kid you not

Tim

--- On Wed, 21/4/10, Russ Phillips  wrote:

From: Russ Phillips 
Subject: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
To: "OSM Talk-GB" 
Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 10:34

After the November floods, the map of Workington [1] in Cumbria was
updated very quickly to show the state of the bridges, and the
location of the temporary road bridge that was to be built. I've just
read on the BBC news site [2] that the temporary bridge is to open
today, at 10:30. Can a local please update the map? I'm wary of
changing it remotely.

I'm giving a presentation/demonstration on OSM to my local LUG soon,
and I'd really like to use this as an example of how OSM can be better
than commercial maps, especially since TomTom's VP of ecommerce told
PC Pro "There are services like OpenStreetMap, and it's good, but
sometimes there's not a bridge when it told you there would be." [3],
and their map of Workington still routes people over the damaged
bridges :)

Russ


[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.64893&lon=-3.54955&zoom=16
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8627276.stm
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[Talk-GB] Workington Bridges

[Russ Phillips]

After the November floods, the map of Workington [1] in Cumbria was
updated very quickly to show the state of the bridges, and the
location of the temporary road bridge that was to be built. I've just
read on the BBC news site [2] that the temporary bridge is to open
today, at 10:30. Can a local please update the map? I'm wary of
changing it remotely.

I'm giving a presentation/demonstration on OSM to my local LUG soon,
and I'd really like to use this as an example of how OSM can be better
than commercial maps, especially since TomTom's VP of ecommerce told
PC Pro "There are services like OpenStreetMap, and it's good, but
sometimes there's not a bridge when it told you there would be." [3],
and their map of Workington still routes people over the damaged
bridges :)

Russ


[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.64893&lon=-3.54955&zoom=16
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8627276.stm
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