[Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists
I was out and about at the weekend when I came across this[0] sign for a cycle route and I'm not quite sure how to tag it. I was under the impression that national routes had red backgrounds and regional/local routes had blue but it seems to be a rather large number for a national route. Can someone please explain to this poor confused pedestrian if this is ncn, rcn or lcn and why? Cheers, Andy [0] http://www.andystreet.me.uk/DSC00728.JPG ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists
Don't worry. There are a number of three-digit national routes appearing now. That doesn't mean that there are at least 246 national routes. It's just that the numbers have a little significance in the scheme of things, like they do with road numbers. So, in short, it's NCN. -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Street Sent: 30 June 2010 15:01 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists I was out and about at the weekend when I came across this[0] sign for a cycle route and I'm not quite sure how to tag it. I was under the impression that national routes had red backgrounds and regional/local routes had blue but it seems to be a rather large number for a national route. Can someone please explain to this poor confused pedestrian if this is ncn, rcn or lcn and why? Cheers, Andy [0] http://www.andystreet.me.uk/DSC00728.JPG ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists
Hi Andy, You were in the same place as me this weekend more or less!!! I recognise that. I walked from Andover to Winchester on Sunday afternoon and walked a small section of this cycle track near the Mayfly at Fullerton. You weren't in the area then? I'd just suggest ncn_ref=246. I think, rather like the A road system, route 246 is a branch off route 24 which IIRC goes from Southampton to Salisbury. Nick From: Andy Street m...@andystreet.me.uk To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wed, 30 June, 2010 15:01:19 Subject: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists I was out and about at the weekend when I came across this[0] sign for a cycle route and I'm not quite sure how to tag it. I was under the impression that national routes had red backgrounds and regional/local routes had blue but it seems to be a rather large number for a national route. Can someone please explain to this poor confused pedestrian if this is ncn, rcn or lcn and why? Cheers, Andy [0] http://www.andystreet.me.uk/DSC00728.JPG ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists
It looks like 3 digit NCN national route references are replacing the two-digit, per-region NCN regional routes. From http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/national-cycle-network/route-numbering-system http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/national-cycle-network/route-numbering-system For the purposes of numbering Regional Routes, the UK has been divided into ten regions, with Regional Routes numbered 10-99 within each region, number allocation being generally based on the larger counties. The signing convention will be the same as for the National Routes except for using a blue, rather than red, number patch (as pictured above). Over the next five years Regional Routes will be re-numbered using three digit National Route numbers. NB. All OSM-tagged ncn and rcn routes are actually national cycle network (NCN) routes with ncn indicating NCN national route and rcn indicating NCN regional route. Dropping regional route designations altogether will further confuse this. Cheers, Wilf. m...@home On 30 June 2010 15:12, Nick Whitelegg nick_whitel...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Andy, [...] I'd just suggest ncn_ref=246. I think, rather like the A road system, route 246 is a branch off route 24 which IIRC goes from Southampton to Salisbury. Nick -- *From:* Andy Street m...@andystreet.me.uk *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Wed, 30 June, 2010 15:01:19 *Subject:* [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists I was out and about at the weekend when I came across this[0] sign for a cycle route and I'm not quite sure how to tag it. I was under the impression that national routes had red backgrounds and regional/local routes had blue but it seems to be a rather large number for a national route. Can someone please explain to this poor confused pedestrian if this is ncn, rcn or lcn and why? Cheers, Andy [0] http://www.andystreet.me.uk/DSC00728.JPG ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Tagging roadside verge SSSIs
Hi Near where I live there's a small stretch (about 100m) of the roadside verge that has signs on it saying that it's a Site of Special Scientific Interest. It's only on one side of the road, and is about 0.5m wide for most of its length, widening to about 2m near one end. Looking in the Wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reserve) there is a suggestion, by Alex McKee to tag it as: Map the boundary of the site as a polyline or relation and tag as boundary=reserve + designation=sssi is this what others are doing? I'll do it this way unless I hear otherwise. Glenn. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging roadside verge SSSIs
On 30/06/2010 16:01, Glenn Proctor wrote: Hi Near where I live there's a small stretch (about 100m) of the roadside verge that has signs on it saying that it's a Site of Special Scientific Interest. It's only on one side of the road, and is about 0.5m wide for most of its length, widening to about 2m near one end. Looking in the Wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reserve) there is a suggestion, by Alex McKee to tag it as: Map the boundary of the site as a polyline or relation and tag as boundary=reserve + designation=sssi is this what others are doing? I'll do it this way unless I hear otherwise. I've never seen that proposal before, I'm not sure if there's been any previous discussion of it anywhere. But it does all seem to be a good idea. I think there is a need for some sort of boundary tag for nature reserves and other protected areas, and tagging them with their designation. Though I'm not sure if reserve is the best word for it, it seems a bit ambiguous. There is an alternative proposal here for boundary=protected_area: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area But IMO that proposal is overly complicated, trying to cover everything in the world, and using numbers instead of words for the designation/status. Craig ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and footways
Nick Whitelegg wrote: (when to use footway or path) I use footway for surfaced paths and path for unsurfaced, This is, IMO, incorrect usage. the primary tag should be used to declare it's legal status (am I allowed down to go down that path) secondary tags such as 'surface' the physical condition of the way (am I able to get down that path) cheers Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists
Clear as mud. I think what you are saying is that it is a regional route, and should therefore be an rcn, but that it will be nationally distinctive number, so you could call it an ncn. I'd probably call it an ncn, since the distinction between regional and national routes is a bit arbitrary, and if it's all one national numbering system then it will be less confusing to call it all ncn and leave people to infer meaning from the number of digits if they want to (in the same way that we do for A roads). Richard On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Graeme Wilford gwilf...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like 3 digit NCN national route references are replacing the two-digit, per-region NCN regional routes. From http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/national-cycle-network/route-numbering-system For the purposes of numbering Regional Routes, the UK has been divided into ten regions, with Regional Routes numbered 10-99 within each region, number allocation being generally based on the larger counties. The signing convention will be the same as for the National Routes except for using a blue, rather than red, number patch (as pictured above). Over the next five years Regional Routes will be re-numbered using three digit National Route numbers. NB. All OSM-tagged ncn and rcn routes are actually national cycle network (NCN) routes with ncn indicating NCN national route and rcn indicating NCN regional route. Dropping regional route designations altogether will further confuse this. Cheers, Wilf. m...@home On 30 June 2010 15:12, Nick Whitelegg nick_whitel...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Andy, [...] I'd just suggest ncn_ref=246. I think, rather like the A road system, route 246 is a branch off route 24 which IIRC goes from Southampton to Salisbury. Nick From: Andy Street m...@andystreet.me.uk To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wed, 30 June, 2010 15:01:19 Subject: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists I was out and about at the weekend when I came across this[0] sign for a cycle route and I'm not quite sure how to tag it. I was under the impression that national routes had red backgrounds and regional/local routes had blue but it seems to be a rather large number for a national route. Can someone please explain to this poor confused pedestrian if this is ncn, rcn or lcn and why? Cheers, Andy [0] http://www.andystreet.me.uk/DSC00728.JPG ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] NCN numbering
Apologies for thread breakage - the otherwise excellent Nabble has fallen over. All white-on-red numbered routes are National Routes and should be tagged with ncn_ref (or the relation equivalent). This includes all the new three-figure routes. White-on-blue are Regional Routes. These are being phased out and will all either be renumbered as National Routes (usually three figures, though I know of one existing and two proposed renumberings from Regional to two-digit National) or withdrawn from the NCN entirely. Don't expect it to happen overnight, though. It's a bit confusing right now but should resolve itself into something more understandable in time. Usual proviso: local councils have been known to get the colours wrong on occasion! cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Apologies for thread breakage - the otherwise excellent Nabble has fallen over. All white-on-red numbered routes are National Routes and should be tagged with ncn_ref (or the relation equivalent). This includes all the new three-figure routes. White-on-blue are Regional Routes. These are being phased out and will all either be renumbered as National Routes (usually three figures, though I know of one existing and two proposed renumberings from Regional to two-digit National) or withdrawn from the NCN entirely. Don't expect it to happen overnight, though. It's a bit confusing right now but should resolve itself into something more understandable in time. Usual proviso: local councils have been known to get the colours wrong on occasion! And just to confuse matters, Oxford has it's own local numbering (1-9 on blue backgrounds). Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
On 30 Jun 2010, at 19:47, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: And just to confuse matters, Oxford has it's own local numbering (1-9 on blue backgrounds). Yep. Several places have local networks (we tag them with lcn_ref) and it is *really* confusing when they use blue or worse still, in Gloucester, red. Mind you the Oxford signs I've seen are so faded I'm amazed you can tell they're blue at all. ;) Gwynedd has a curious part-local, part-regional set of routes with white-on-green signs. Some lovely cycling, though. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A quick question for the cyclists
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 07:12 -0700, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi Andy, You were in the same place as me this weekend more or less!!! I recognise that. I walked from Andover to Winchester on Sunday afternoon and walked a small section of this cycle track near the Mayfly at Fullerton. You weren't in the area then? I passed the Mayfly on Saturday while walking the Test Way between Andover and Mottisfont. That photo was taken where the railway line meets the A30 just North of Stockbridge. I'd just suggest ncn_ref=246. I think, rather like the A road system, route 246 is a branch off route 24 which IIRC goes from Southampton to Salisbury. Thanks to everyone who replied, ncn_ref=246 it is. Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
