Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Borbus wrote: > This wiki page suggests craft=brewery > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dbrewery > > I recently added the Woodfordes brewery to the map: > http://osm.org/go/0EZUeZm8y-- > > Just added St Peter's too: http://osm.org/go/0EZAcgPVK-- > > The good thing is a lot of these breweries have shops and pubs on > site > so there is no excuse for not going out and finding them! I was looking at some breweries back in July and made a few notes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:EdLoach/Brewery I didn't discover the craft=brewery page, so presume I was looking at what was used. The September 2010 adoption of craft=brewery is perhaps quite recent which reflects the low usage figures shown on the wiki page. With reference to Brian's suggestion about a relation relating breweries to the pubs where their beer is available, firstly I felt that was too close to using a relation as a category: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categ ories but even if we were to create such relations I don't think they'd be workable as beers appearing at pubs at guest ales would need adding and removing far too frequently. Perhaps better to add a tie=yes/no, tied= combination of tags if known. Or operator= for pub chains and the like. But generally I'm in favour; for pubs that brew beer on premises I presume we'd use the brewery=* tag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brewery Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Brian Prangle wrote: > Hi Graham > the one > or two vineyards in the South There's some disgreement on how to tag these (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vineyard), between landuse=vineyard and landuse=agriculture produce=grape (I'm inclined to use the former.) > and what do you call places where they make > cider/perry? press? __John ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
On 30/10/11 17:34, Graham Jones wrote: > Brian, > Sounds like a good challange. Main issue is that we will need to decide > how to tag breweries - mostly 'landuse=industrial' or 'building=yes' at the > moment, but I can not find anything specific to a brewery? This wiki page suggests craft=brewery https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dbrewery I recently added the Woodfordes brewery to the map: http://osm.org/go/0EZUeZm8y-- Just added St Peter's too: http://osm.org/go/0EZAcgPVK-- The good thing is a lot of these breweries have shops and pubs on site so there is no excuse for not going out and finding them! -- Borbus. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Brian Prangle wrote: > what do you call places where they make cider/perry? "awesome" cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Drinking-Map-of-UK-tp6945690p6946350.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Brian Prangle wrote: and what do you call places where they make cider/perry? The back yard ;) ... although the location of active cider presses would be another useful addition. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
On 30 October 2011 20:13, Brian Prangle wrote: > For tagging I suggest we just use building=brewery and only > render for ways (i.e ignore nodes). Later on we might be able create > relations consisting of a brewery and the pubs where it has its beers We > also might like to consider different colours to distinguish "industrial > mass market" beers from real ale beers. Also, with permission, to > highlight winners of various awards. A tag for pubs; "GoodBeerGuide:year=2010" (being the most recent entry)? What about specialist off-licences? > And while we're at it should we make > it a proper drinkers' map and include all the highland distilleries, the one > or two vineyards in the South and what do you call places where they make > cider/perry? Yes! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
[re-ending this to the correct list; sorry!] On 30 October 2011 15:15, Brian Prangle wrote: > Having just been at the CAMRA Birmingham Beer Festival and seen the huge > number of breweries from across the UK Got me thinking - is there any > appetite for a project similar to the baseball > project http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Big_baseball_project_2011 in > getting all the breweries mapped and rendered maybe as "OpenBrewMap". Jon Bounds (@bounder on Twitter) used OSM to render a map of all the pubs in Birmingham - nothing else, just the pub names. There were obvious gaps in Bournville and Edgbaston. It was shown in an art exhibition he curated, at the newly re-opened MAC. Prints were also available to buy. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Hi Graham Good work! For tagging I suggest we just use building=brewery and only render for ways (i.e ignore nodes). Later on we might be able create relations consisting of a brewery and the pubs where it has its beers We also might like to consider different colours to distinguish "industrial mass market" beers from real ale beers. Also, with permission, to highlight winners of various awards. And while we're at it should we make it a proper drinkers' map and include all the highland distilleries, the one or two vineyards in the South and what do you call places where they make cider/perry? At some stage a wiki page will probably be required also Regards Brian On 30 October 2011 17:34, Graham Jones wrote: > Brian, > Sounds like a good challange. Main issue is that we will need to decide > how to tag breweries - mostly 'landuse=industrial' or 'building=yes' at the > moment, but I can not find anything specific to a brewery? > > First go at a map based on looking for 'brewery' in the name is here: > http://maps3.org.uk/tiles/brewery.html. It is pleasing to see that > Cameron's Brewery in the bright centre of the universe shows up prominently > without any fiddling by me! > Any suggestions on how to distinguish real breweries from 'Old Brewery > Appartments' would be appreciated! > > Note also that this map only shows things tagged as areas, not nodes - > there seems to be a table missing from my database - not sure why, but will > fix later! > > Regards > > > Graham. > > On 30 October 2011 15:15, Brian Prangle wrote: > >> Hi everyone >> >> Having just been at the CAMRA Birmingham Beer Festival and seen the huge >> number of breweries from across the UK Got me thinking - is there any >> appetite for a project similar to the baseball project >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Big_baseball_project_2011 in getting >> all the breweries mapped and rendered maybe as "OpenBrewMap". Surveying >> could be fun! >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> > > > -- > Graham Jones > Hartlepool, UK. > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Semi-OT] affordable hosting for own tileserver?
Nick Whitelegg wrote: Am wanting to develop Freemap (coubtryside-orientated OSM site) and its mobile client, OpenTrail, further but the thing that's always holding me back, and forcing me to restrict it to certain areas of the UK only, are the limitations of the server. So is anyone aware of any hosting provider which costs no more than say GBP25-30 a month (am willing to pay that much, but no more as this is a not-for-profit project) and would allow me to maintain Freemap and update the database weekly without encountering memory issues? Rendering is not such a problem (IMX) as caching can be done - it's the actual database import that's the problem. Use Amazon AWS, or some other cloud provider, where you can change the size of the server (or the number of machines in the cluster) dynamically. See http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/ and http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ . A "micro" server has about 600 MB of RAM and burstable (i.e. shared) CPU, and costs $0.02 / hour = about £10/month. When you want to do something intensive like a database import, shut it down, reconfigure it as a "quadruple extra large high memory" machine, bring it up again, and for $2/hour (or less on the "spot market") you have 68 GB of RAM and 4 dedicated Xeons. You also need to pay for storage and bandwidth. As a new user you would get a free allowance that, I think, would cover one permanently-running micro instance. I would avoid anything saying "unlimited". What they means is "we're not telling you what the limit is". Regards, Phil. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Semi-OT] affordable hosting for own tileserver?
Sounds like Colin has done better than me I use CloudNext web hosting (http://cloudnext.co.uk). They offer a service with 'unlimited' storage and bandwidth, which sounded good for tiles and has the advantage of allowing python scripting as well as php and perl, so I can run tilecahce on it without any trouble. I think it costs more like £70 odd per year for the 'unlimited' version. I started off with one of their virtual servers hoping to use it for rendering, but the affordable version only came with 20GB storage (which has to include the operating system), so it was easy to fill it up. Also it did not have enough memory to compile Mapnik2, which I wanted to use because I like the Carto styling language, which needs Mapnik2. I am very much under-using my 'unlimited' hosting package, so if anyone is interested in developing their own UK web maps, I am happy to host them for them - just let me know. Regards Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Brian, Sounds like a good challange. Main issue is that we will need to decide how to tag breweries - mostly 'landuse=industrial' or 'building=yes' at the moment, but I can not find anything specific to a brewery? First go at a map based on looking for 'brewery' in the name is here: http://maps3.org.uk/tiles/brewery.html. It is pleasing to see that Cameron's Brewery in the bright centre of the universe shows up prominently without any fiddling by me! Any suggestions on how to distinguish real breweries from 'Old Brewery Appartments' would be appreciated! Note also that this map only shows things tagged as areas, not nodes - there seems to be a table missing from my database - not sure why, but will fix later! Regards Graham. On 30 October 2011 15:15, Brian Prangle wrote: > Hi everyone > > Having just been at the CAMRA Birmingham Beer Festival and seen the huge > number of breweries from across the UK Got me thinking - is there any > appetite for a project similar to the baseball project > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Big_baseball_project_2011 in getting > all the breweries mapped and rendered maybe as "OpenBrewMap". Surveying > could be fun! > > Regards > > Brian > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Semi-OT] affordable hosting for own tileserver?
I use http://thebighost.co.uk/ for my websites, at £21.00 pa. but they are very simple sites. I don't know what memory is available, but the website advertises: Web hosting packages include the following: UNLIMITED Web Space Free Website Builder UNLIMITED Data Transfer UNLIMITED MySQL Db Powerful Control Panel UNLIMITED Email Accounts 24x7x365 Support Instant Account Activation Virus Scanning PHP5 - Ruby/Rails - Perl Hope this helps Colin - Original Message - From: "Nick Whitelegg" To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:15:32 + Subject:[Talk-GB] [Semi-OT] affordable hosting for own tileserver? Thought it would be a good time to ask about this as the whole topic of running your own OSM tileserver has come up a lot lately. Am wanting to develop Freemap (coubtryside-orientated OSM site) and its mobile client, OpenTrail, further but the thing that's always holding me back, and forcing me to restrict it to certain areas of the UK only, are the limitations of the server. I've been given hosting for the tiles themselves from Chris Jones at Swansea - which is absolutely great (thanks Chris!) but in an ideal world I'd really like is to run Freemap for the whole of the UK on my own dedicated space, with control of data updates, including associated server side scripts for searches, walk route generation etc. Currently I do have hosting through Bytemark which is pretty good... but osm2pgsql (the real rate determining step) fails to import due to memory issues. So is anyone aware of any hosting provider which costs no more than say GBP25-30 a month (am willing to pay that much, but no more as this is a not-for-profit project) and would allow me to maintain Freemap and update the database weekly without encountering memory issues? Rendering is not such a problem (IMX) as caching can be done - it's the actual database import that's the problem. Thanks, Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Wales Coast Path
The Welsh Government is creating a 850-mile Coast Path, to incorporate long-established routes such as the Pembrokeshire Coast Path, more recent ones such as the Ceredigion Coast Path, and new sections. It's set to open in May 2012. Work seems to be progressing well: http://wales.gov.uk/newsroom/environmentandcountryside/2010/100701coastalpath/?lang=en http://wales.gov.uk/newsroom/environmentandcountryside/2011/110919chepstow/?lang=en and it's already receiving a fair amount of publicity: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-15482233 ...so it'd be great to have it fully mapped. The Pembrokeshire path is already in OSM and the Ceredigion one is coming on nicely. A quick browse around the map suggests to me that there are plenty of coastal paths already mapped that just need a quick on-the-ground check for new Coast Path signage. Creating individual route relations for each county-sized section (whether a formal path with its own identity or not), and grouping these into one super relation, seems to be a sensible way to go. I've listed the relations so far in the usual place: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Distance_Paths#Wales cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Drinking Map of UK
Hi everyone Having just been at the CAMRA Birmingham Beer Festival and seen the huge number of breweries from across the UK Got me thinking - is there any appetite for a project similar to the baseball project http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Big_baseball_project_2011 in getting all the breweries mapped and rendered maybe as "OpenBrewMap". Surveying could be fun! Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] More walking maps.
Hi All, On of the things I'd been after was a usable replacement for the Landranger maps, including contours and a compatible gridding system. Now, getting a perfect replacement has long been considered to be a lot of work, and after looking at it, and getting to grips with OSTN2, I figured that perfect wasn't something I actually wanted to do. So I decided to see how much work Good Enough would be. The first thing was to decide what constituted good enough. Obviously that's subjective, so if you want to cut to the chase, have a look at http://osm.rasilon.net/?zoom=13&lat=7527193.6868&lon=-366400.89503&layers=BTT Please bear in mind that that host doesn't have the horsepower or disk space for production use. The basic additions I wanted were contours that gave a decent enough landform, and for that SRTM data seemed good enough. The grid was the next thing. I wanted a usable grid that allowed me to use six figure grid references with no significant loss of accuracy. Some of the military maps I've used for bits of the world outside the UK have just projected the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_grid_reference_system grid over whatever map they already had, and I found that there wasn't a whole lot of usability lost. So I went for that approach, creating a layer that just projected an out-of-copyright OSGB36 grid over an OSM base. A look at the differences between the original and OSTN2 corrected suggests that the maximum offset is ~120m, so a six-figure grid reference has an additional error of +-1 in the least significant figure, which is close enough, I think, given that most of the ones I've used were only approximately that good anyway. Comparing the results to Landranger maps has convinced me that it's close enough for my purposes anyway. The current config is mapnik/renderd pointing at a Postgres/PostGIS database and mod_tile doing the serving. Things like the style XML, grid SQL script etc. are available if anyone is interested. I think the next thing up is to try to get some of the Landform data working in place of SRTM since there are problems with voids in some cases (see http://osm.rasilon.net/?zoom=14&lat=7802921.15703&lon=-692519.47615&layers=BTT ) and this post was inspired by talk of other people getting it working. Have fun, Derry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OS Landform Panorama files
On 27-Oct-2011, at 1:43 PM, Tom Chance wrote: > Hello there, > > I've been experimenting with Maperitive to make walking maps, > http://tom.acrewoods.net/2011/10/26/making-open-data-maps-the-almost-easy-way > > I had some trouble getting the OS Land-form Panorama files into the correct > format, but managed to get the right files off a subscriber-only train > enthusiast web site. The files Nick put up, linked from here, didn't play > with Maperitive and are divided up into smaller tiles: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_a_panorama_with_OS_OpenData > > I've now put the SRTM1 files that Maperitive can use up here, if somebody > would like to give them a more permanent home be my guest: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10914248/OSLFP/UKTS_24981_GB-N51-N49.rar > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10914248/OSLFP/UKTS_24983_GB-N52.rar > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10914248/OSLFP/UKTS_24984_GB-N54-N53.rar > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10914248/OSLFP/UKTS_24985_GB-N56-N55.rar > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10914248/OSLFP/UKTS_24986_GB-N60-N57.rar I did some work a while back on importing Land-form Panorama into PostGIS: http://usingopendata.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/loading-landform-panorama-data-into-postgrespostgis/ Code is on Github: https://github.com/keithsharp/lfp2pgsql Once you've got the data in PostGIS you should be able to select and export to most formats. Keith. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] [Semi-OT] affordable hosting for own tileserver?
Thought it would be a good time to ask about this as the whole topic of running your own OSM tileserver has come up a lot lately. Am wanting to develop Freemap (coubtryside-orientated OSM site) and its mobile client, OpenTrail, further but the thing that's always holding me back, and forcing me to restrict it to certain areas of the UK only, are the limitations of the server. I've been given hosting for the tiles themselves from Chris Jones at Swansea - which is absolutely great (thanks Chris!) but in an ideal world I'd really like is to run Freemap for the whole of the UK on my own dedicated space, with control of data updates, including associated server side scripts for searches, walk route generation etc. Currently I do have hosting through Bytemark which is pretty good... but osm2pgsql (the real rate determining step) fails to import due to memory issues. So is anyone aware of any hosting provider which costs no more than say GBP25-30 a month (am willing to pay that much, but no more as this is a not-for-profit project) and would allow me to maintain Freemap and update the database weekly without encountering memory issues? Rendering is not such a problem (IMX) as caching can be done - it's the actual database import that's the problem. Thanks, Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
