Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

[smurph]

Kev js1982 wrote
> 
> Comments below.
> 
> 
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/England_Cycling_Data_**project;
>>
>> It has these attributes, and the CycleStreets router [2] now supports
>> them:
>>
>> - Surface quality (surface=)
>> - Local Cycle Network signage (lcn=)
>> - Lots of missing paths not yet in OSM
>> - Cycle lane/path widths (width/est_width=)
>> - Barriers of various kinds (barrier=)
>> - Traffic calming (traffic_calming=)
>> - Lighting (lit=)
>>
>> The LCN tags, surface tags, and missing paths, will particularly help the
>> routing quality, as Shaun/Gregory who see user feedback will attest!
>>
>> Now are LCN's which are also NCN's *Supposed* to be tagged? - round here
> most of the NCN stuff is just inside a relation, where as most of the
> LCN's
> are on the way's themselves (The Big Track and NTU City to Basford being
> the only LCN relations I know of) - I have tended to avoid adding LCN to a
> way which is also an NCN as it looks ugly on Open Cycle Map (although I
> guess this is "tagging for the renderer") - should I be adding LCN to ways
> which are part of NCN Route's 6 or 15 too?
> 

I've just been looking through the CUBA data and I think we need to show
that a route is part of a relation (specifically NCNs - which are mostly
done by relation in the Bristol area) to avoid someone retagging all of the
ways as NCN when they are already part of an NCN relation.

The CUBA data correctly shows that roads are part of NCN 4 but would lead
the user of the tool to add 'NCN = yes' and 'NCN_Ref = 4' to Woodlands Rd
(for instance) when this is redundant as Woodlands Rd is already part of the
NCN 4 relation.

Having said that - it is a great dataset and a pretty good tool. I might
even sign up and map up the LCNs in the CUBA data if I get some time or this
rain carries on.

Simon

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Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

[Tom Chance]

Martin,

This looks like a great project.

Can you clarify the situation in London? I don't really know what areas the
"SuperLondonBorough" sets cover. I added some hints to the wiki as to where
each of them open, then went from the one that starts in Sydenham to pan up
to my neck of the woods and found there were a few odds and ends of orange
lines, but it has taken quite a bit of panning around to locate them. It
would be really helpful if the snapshot server could render a map showing
where the remaining unmerged data is located.

I am also having trouble merging data where some streets also have ways for
admin boundaries, and Potlatch selects the boundary rather than the street.
Any tips much appreciated.

Best wishes,
Tom


On 17 June 2012 12:44, Martin - CycleStreets <
list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net> wrote:

>
>
> As previously announced [1], we've been working with Andy Allan and the
> DfT's contractors to open up the cycling data that the DfT have collected
> (via manual surveys on bikes) over recent years.
>
> This data for each area is now available, converted, and ready for easy
> merging in with a new Potlatch2 tool Andy has written. The DfT is very keen
> to see the data more widely used, by OSM.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/England_Cycling_Data_**project
>
> It has these attributes, and the CycleStreets router [2] now supports them:
>
> - Surface quality (surface=)
> - Local Cycle Network signage (lcn=)
> - Lots of missing paths not yet in OSM
> - Cycle lane/path widths (width/est_width=)
> - Barriers of various kinds (barrier=)
> - Traffic calming (traffic_calming=)
> - Lighting (lit=)
>
> The LCN tags, surface tags, and missing paths, will particularly help the
> routing quality, as Shaun/Gregory who see user feedback will attest!
>
> The wiki URL above has a link to each area, and there's a screencast on
> Andy's merging tool:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=A_sMxpWptCQ
>
> I've so far merged in almost half the Cambridge data in under half a day.
> We'd love to see a local 'cheerleader' for each area. Could you sign up on
> the Wiki for that?
>
>
> Further work we're doing in support of this project is:
>
> - Writing articles for CTC, LCC and other cycling groups about getting
> involved in OpenStreetMap surveying more generally, and hopefully then
> helping with this merging project.
>
> - Creating a resource for local Councils to inform them about OSM data,
> the merging tool, and how it will improve cycle journey planning.
>
> - Getting our feedback system map-enabled (it's purely tabular at the
> moment!) and opened up so that the effect of merging in this data is
> clearer. We can't directly use MapDust as bugs need triaging first to avoid
> MapDust getting engine-related spam or having personal data in.
>
> - Getting the P2 customisations into our local copy on the CycleStreets
> website and making the existence of the data clearer in various ways.
>
> - Hoping to get some visualisations done of merged coverage.
>
> - Screencasts and other documentation.
>
> - Any usability improvements in response to feedback on the tool.
>
>
>
> [1] Talk-gb discussions, which provided useful feedback, now incorporated:
> http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-**
> October/012256.html
> http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-**
> January/012764.html
> http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-**
> March/012900.html
>
>
> [2] http://www.cyclestreets.net/**blog/2012/05/20/more-osm-tags-**
> supported/
>
>
> Martin, **  CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists
> Developer, CycleStreets **  http://www.cyclestreets.net/
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

[Kev js1982]

oh, and the other suggestion - it would be handy if I could hide all
existing OSM data which doesn't have highway=* - nearly added the DFT to
fences about half a dozen times already!

Kev

On 17 June 2012 15:05, Kev js1982  wrote:

> Comments below.
>
> On 17 June 2012 12:44, Martin - CycleStreets <
> list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> As previously announced [1], we've been working with Andy Allan and the
>> DfT's contractors to open up the cycling data that the DfT have collected
>> (via manual surveys on bikes) over recent years.
>>
>> This data for each area is now available, converted, and ready for easy
>> merging in with a new Potlatch2 tool Andy has written. The DfT is very keen
>> to see the data more widely used, by OSM.
>>
>>
> Neat - a productive way to improve the cyclemap on a wet weekend at home
> (especially in the local area where much is memorised)!
>
>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/England_Cycling_Data_**project
>>
>> It has these attributes, and the CycleStreets router [2] now supports
>> them:
>>
>> - Surface quality (surface=)
>> - Local Cycle Network signage (lcn=)
>> - Lots of missing paths not yet in OSM
>> - Cycle lane/path widths (width/est_width=)
>> - Barriers of various kinds (barrier=)
>> - Traffic calming (traffic_calming=)
>> - Lighting (lit=)
>>
>> The LCN tags, surface tags, and missing paths, will particularly help the
>> routing quality, as Shaun/Gregory who see user feedback will attest!
>>
>> Now are LCN's which are also NCN's *Supposed* to be tagged? - round here
> most of the NCN stuff is just inside a relation, where as most of the LCN's
> are on the way's themselves (The Big Track and NTU City to Basford being
> the only LCN relations I know of) - I have tended to avoid adding LCN to a
> way which is also an NCN as it looks ugly on Open Cycle Map (although I
> guess this is "tagging for the renderer") - should I be adding LCN to ways
> which are part of NCN Route's 6 or 15 too?
>
>
>> The wiki URL above has a link to each area, and there's a screencast on
>> Andy's merging tool:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=A_sMxpWptCQ
>>
>> I've so far merged in almost half the Cambridge data in under half a day.
>> We'd love to see a local 'cheerleader' for each area. Could you sign up on
>> the Wiki for that?
>>
>>
> Would be really handy if there were some tile render overlays (or
> KMLs/GPXs) showing where is still to be merged - so I can easy pick them up
> when I'm out and about - the stuff I'm looking at now (Nottingham) is
> mainly to the south of the city boundaries as that is the area I know best.
>
>
>> Further work we're doing in support of this project is:
>>
>
>
>> - Any usability improvements in response to feedback on the tool.
>>
>>
>> Speaking of which - when changing the highway from footway or bridleway
> to cycleway (where it makes OTG sense) it would be neat if you could add
> "designation=public_xxxway" without having to go into a separate Merkaartor
> or Potlatch session - ditto editing tags like "lit" and "surface" which you
> know the DfT has wrong (e.g. a number of off road routes have gained gravel
> surfaces in the last couple of years round here thanks to the flood defence
> work).
>
> Kev :o)
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

[Kev js1982]

Comments below.

On 17 June 2012 12:44, Martin - CycleStreets <
list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net> wrote:

>
>
> As previously announced [1], we've been working with Andy Allan and the
> DfT's contractors to open up the cycling data that the DfT have collected
> (via manual surveys on bikes) over recent years.
>
> This data for each area is now available, converted, and ready for easy
> merging in with a new Potlatch2 tool Andy has written. The DfT is very keen
> to see the data more widely used, by OSM.
>
>
Neat - a productive way to improve the cyclemap on a wet weekend at home
(especially in the local area where much is memorised)!


> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/England_Cycling_Data_**project
>
> It has these attributes, and the CycleStreets router [2] now supports them:
>
> - Surface quality (surface=)
> - Local Cycle Network signage (lcn=)
> - Lots of missing paths not yet in OSM
> - Cycle lane/path widths (width/est_width=)
> - Barriers of various kinds (barrier=)
> - Traffic calming (traffic_calming=)
> - Lighting (lit=)
>
> The LCN tags, surface tags, and missing paths, will particularly help the
> routing quality, as Shaun/Gregory who see user feedback will attest!
>
> Now are LCN's which are also NCN's *Supposed* to be tagged? - round here
most of the NCN stuff is just inside a relation, where as most of the LCN's
are on the way's themselves (The Big Track and NTU City to Basford being
the only LCN relations I know of) - I have tended to avoid adding LCN to a
way which is also an NCN as it looks ugly on Open Cycle Map (although I
guess this is "tagging for the renderer") - should I be adding LCN to ways
which are part of NCN Route's 6 or 15 too?


> The wiki URL above has a link to each area, and there's a screencast on
> Andy's merging tool:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=A_sMxpWptCQ
>
> I've so far merged in almost half the Cambridge data in under half a day.
> We'd love to see a local 'cheerleader' for each area. Could you sign up on
> the Wiki for that?
>
>
Would be really handy if there were some tile render overlays (or
KMLs/GPXs) showing where is still to be merged - so I can easy pick them up
when I'm out and about - the stuff I'm looking at now (Nottingham) is
mainly to the south of the city boundaries as that is the area I know best.


> Further work we're doing in support of this project is:
>


> - Any usability improvements in response to feedback on the tool.
>
>
> Speaking of which - when changing the highway from footway or bridleway to
cycleway (where it makes OTG sense) it would be neat if you could add
"designation=public_xxxway" without having to go into a separate Merkaartor
or Potlatch session - ditto editing tags like "lit" and "surface" which you
know the DfT has wrong (e.g. a number of off road routes have gained gravel
surfaces in the last couple of years round here thanks to the flood defence
work).

Kev :o)
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[Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

[Martin - CycleStreets]

As previously announced [1], we've been working with Andy Allan and the 
DfT's contractors to open up the cycling data that the DfT have collected 
(via manual surveys on bikes) over recent years.


This data for each area is now available, converted, and ready for easy 
merging in with a new Potlatch2 tool Andy has written. The DfT is very keen 
to see the data more widely used, by OSM.


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project

It has these attributes, and the CycleStreets router [2] now supports them:

- Surface quality (surface=)
- Local Cycle Network signage (lcn=)
- Lots of missing paths not yet in OSM
- Cycle lane/path widths (width/est_width=)
- Barriers of various kinds (barrier=)
- Traffic calming (traffic_calming=)
- Lighting (lit=)

The LCN tags, surface tags, and missing paths, will particularly help the 
routing quality, as Shaun/Gregory who see user feedback will attest!


The wiki URL above has a link to each area, and there's a screencast on 
Andy's merging tool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sMxpWptCQ

I've so far merged in almost half the Cambridge data in under half a day. 
We'd love to see a local 'cheerleader' for each area. Could you sign up on 
the Wiki for that?



Further work we're doing in support of this project is:

- Writing articles for CTC, LCC and other cycling groups about getting 
involved in OpenStreetMap surveying more generally, and hopefully then 
helping with this merging project.


- Creating a resource for local Councils to inform them about OSM data, the 
merging tool, and how it will improve cycle journey planning.


- Getting our feedback system map-enabled (it's purely tabular at the 
moment!) and opened up so that the effect of merging in this data is 
clearer. We can't directly use MapDust as bugs need triaging first to avoid 
MapDust getting engine-related spam or having personal data in.


- Getting the P2 customisations into our local copy on the CycleStreets 
website and making the existence of the data clearer in various ways.


- Hoping to get some visualisations done of merged coverage.

- Screencasts and other documentation.

- Any usability improvements in response to feedback on the tool.



[1] Talk-gb discussions, which provided useful feedback, now incorporated:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-October/012256.html
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-January/012764.html
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-March/012900.html


[2] http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2012/05/20/more-osm-tags-supported/


Martin, **  CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists
Developer, CycleStreets **  http://www.cyclestreets.net/


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