Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Sorry to ask such a naive sounding question in this thread where there are clearly many involved who know *a lot about the subject, but I am left rather unsure about what we mean when we say that we need to do some re-mapping of nodes and ways which are in danger of removal when only contributions from new licence acceptors is allowed in the OSM database. Seems to be one of two processes (in order of decreasing level of effort required): 1. Delete the features contributed by the non-acceptor. Replace with brand new feature from either gps survey or from acceptable imagery/mapping sources or combination. If I understand correctly then if the non-acceptor is the author of version 1 of the feature, then this will result in loss of all subsequent history as well, so that we will essentially have version 1 of a new feature and no trace of the previous feature. 2. Review the history of the feature. Decide if, even though the original contribution was from a non-acceptor, enough has been done by other licence-accepting contributors that the feature no longer belongs to the original contributor. If this is the case, tag with odbl=clean and forget about it. My question is : Are both of these approaches acceptable from a legal/ethical perspective and will they both work (ie will both result in features that will make it into the database following Apr 1st? For features in my local area (NE Wales) I and others with local knowledge could clearly follow either or both of these approaches, but (2) is obviously less time-consuming and preserves much more of other people's hard work. Bogus Zaba ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
On 10/01/2012 19:34, Jason Cunningham wrote: Can anyone provide more detailed info on the final stance of the of the top decliners? Looking at one of the websites, some are Guy, Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward, Paul Martin and ulfl. I'd given a bit of though to mapping some of the areas that are to be affected by the loss of 'Guy's data in the southwest (a lot of data!). Would be upset to spend time remapping and then find out someone was in talks with him. Jason, As I understand it, ulfl will never agree to the new terms and I remap everything I find in the UK and Sweden. Ditto with JohnSmith fixme edits. You should find that ulfl edits are constructive but bot-like POI corrections of tag keys and their spellings and forcing to lower case of religions on churches ... just check that the IPR (Intellectual Property Right) value comes from you or other accepted contributors. Guy was contacted in November and again by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. A large part of his contributions are unrefined waterway and road digitisations from NPE and there is now much better complementary OS25k/Bing/StreetView. I feel that we should make a start on these now, (I have, please join me), as it is worthwhile whether or not he agrees ... it is just that they get replaced rather than refined. Paul Martin was contacted by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. Apparently very unhappy with ODbL. I have been talking to Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward. All are reasonable people but with particular defined concerns. I believe I have directly met Andy's concerns as per http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Andy%20Street but he has not responded since early December. I do not believe I can meet Ed and Simon's concerns other than to be very aware of them and pledge to make sure that they get properly aired and discussed on an ongoing basis; so I appreciate that they have a difficult choice to make. Same with 80n. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
On 11 January 2012 09:15, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 10/01/2012 19:34, Jason Cunningham wrote: Can anyone provide more detailed info on the final stance of the of the top decliners? Looking at one of the websites, some are Guy, Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward, Paul Martin and ulfl. I'd given a bit of though to mapping some of the areas that are to be affected by the loss of 'Guy's data in the southwest (a lot of data!). Would be upset to spend time remapping and then find out someone was in talks with him. Jason, As I understand it, ulfl will never agree to the new terms and I remap everything I find in the UK and Sweden. Ditto with JohnSmith fixme edits. You should find that ulfl edits are constructive but bot-like POI corrections of tag keys and their spellings and forcing to lower case of religions on churches ... just check that the IPR (Intellectual Property Right) value comes from you or other accepted contributors. Guy was contacted in November and again by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. A large part of his contributions are unrefined waterway and road digitisations from NPE and there is now much better complementary OS25k/Bing/StreetView. I feel that we should make a start on these now, (I have, please join me), as it is worthwhile whether or not he agrees ... it is just that they get replaced rather than refined. Paul Martin was contacted by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. Apparently very unhappy with ODbL. I have been talking to Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward. All are reasonable people but with particular defined concerns. I believe I have directly met Andy's concerns as per http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Andy%20Street but he has not responded since early December. I do not believe I can meet Ed and Simon's concerns other than to be very aware of them and pledge to make sure that they get properly aired and discussed on an ongoing basis; so I appreciate that they have a difficult choice to make. Same with 80n. Do you or anyone else know the status of Peter sherbourne Millar? I emailed him about a month ago and have heard nothing back. He's responsible for (or has touched) much of Coventry which is very well mapped and it would be a shame to lose his contributions. Does anyone have an alternative contact route for him as otherwise I'll have to start remapping Coventry myself soon (maybe an excuse for a mapping party?). -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Hi Matt Peter is unlikely to accept the new CTs but has not yet declined. Blackadder has emailed him recently but not got a response. Peter was very active and has contributions all over the West Midlands from various mapping parties so it would be a shame to lose his contribution but I'm not optimistic. Wherever I come across his contributions I'm just remapping them Regards Brian On 11 January 2012 10:01, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: On 11 January 2012 09:15, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 10/01/2012 19:34, Jason Cunningham wrote: Can anyone provide more detailed info on the final stance of the of the top decliners? Looking at one of the websites, some are Guy, Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward, Paul Martin and ulfl. I'd given a bit of though to mapping some of the areas that are to be affected by the loss of 'Guy's data in the southwest (a lot of data!). Would be upset to spend time remapping and then find out someone was in talks with him. Jason, As I understand it, ulfl will never agree to the new terms and I remap everything I find in the UK and Sweden. Ditto with JohnSmith fixme edits. You should find that ulfl edits are constructive but bot-like POI corrections of tag keys and their spellings and forcing to lower case of religions on churches ... just check that the IPR (Intellectual Property Right) value comes from you or other accepted contributors. Guy was contacted in November and again by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. A large part of his contributions are unrefined waterway and road digitisations from NPE and there is now much better complementary OS25k/Bing/StreetView. I feel that we should make a start on these now, (I have, please join me), as it is worthwhile whether or not he agrees ... it is just that they get replaced rather than refined. Paul Martin was contacted by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. Apparently very unhappy with ODbL. I have been talking to Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward. All are reasonable people but with particular defined concerns. I believe I have directly met Andy's concerns as per http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Andy%20Streetbut he has not responded since early December. I do not believe I can meet Ed and Simon's concerns other than to be very aware of them and pledge to make sure that they get properly aired and discussed on an ongoing basis; so I appreciate that they have a difficult choice to make. Same with 80n. Do you or anyone else know the status of Peter sherbourne Millar? I emailed him about a month ago and have heard nothing back. He's responsible for (or has touched) much of Coventry which is very well mapped and it would be a shame to lose his contributions. Does anyone have an alternative contact route for him as otherwise I'll have to start remapping Coventry myself soon (maybe an excuse for a mapping party?). -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Matt Williams wrote: Do you or anyone else know the status of Peter sherbourne Millar? I emailed him about a month ago and have heard nothing back. He's responsible for (or has touched) much of Coventry which is very well mapped and it would be a shame to lose his contributions. Does anyone have an alternative contact route for him as otherwise I'll have to start remapping Coventry myself soon (maybe an excuse for a mapping party?). I've a block near here that is his work ... but fortunately not too much. Simon Ward and 80n are now becoming my closest real problem, with large swathes of red dots around my clear area ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Thanks Mike, I'll now start having a proper go at replacing some of Guys data. A monumental task and I think I'll just start with the important roads. Definitely looks like there will be possibilities for mapping parties in the southwest, for those that enjoy that sort of thing Jason On 11 January 2012 09:15, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: On 10/01/2012 19:34, Jason Cunningham wrote: Can anyone provide more detailed info on the final stance of the of the top decliners? Looking at one of the websites, some are Guy, Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward, Paul Martin and ulfl. I'd given a bit of though to mapping some of the areas that are to be affected by the loss of 'Guy's data in the southwest (a lot of data!). Would be upset to spend time remapping and then find out someone was in talks with him. Jason, As I understand it, ulfl will never agree to the new terms and I remap everything I find in the UK and Sweden. Ditto with JohnSmith fixme edits. You should find that ulfl edits are constructive but bot-like POI corrections of tag keys and their spellings and forcing to lower case of religions on churches ... just check that the IPR (Intellectual Property Right) value comes from you or other accepted contributors. Guy was contacted in November and again by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. A large part of his contributions are unrefined waterway and road digitisations from NPE and there is now much better complementary OS25k/Bing/StreetView. I feel that we should make a start on these now, (I have, please join me), as it is worthwhile whether or not he agrees ... it is just that they get replaced rather than refined. Paul Martin was contacted by me very recently but has not responded. Not known if contact details valid. Apparently very unhappy with ODbL. I have been talking to Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward. All are reasonable people but with particular defined concerns. I believe I have directly met Andy's concerns as per http://www.openstreetmap.org/** user/Andy%20Street http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Andy%20Street but he has not responded since early December. I do not believe I can meet Ed and Simon's concerns other than to be very aware of them and pledge to make sure that they get properly aired and discussed on an ongoing basis; so I appreciate that they have a difficult choice to make. Same with 80n. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Michael Collinson wrote: Back to the original thread, good news. Three of the top UK undecided contributors have responded to my messages and kindly accepted the new terms. York, South Wales and High Wycombe looking much better now. Thanks Mike. Chesterfield's looking healthier for that too. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Thanks, I was able to use http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history browser successfully. It took me 21 minutes to analyse manually but that could be sped up by putting the declined/undecided/accepted status next to the user in the first results view, (am emailing author Langläufer). I guess it should also be possible to build an automated relation-status viewer fairly easily(?). Conclusion: The way was created by an accepted user and tagging is slightly refined but always by an accepted user. One way has been added by a declined user ... this is the only tainting. Question: Am I right in thinking that a general rule emerges that this and similar relations can be marked odbl=clean ... member additions are irrelevant, during a database re-build, the addition of the way is going to be detached when that way (rather than the relation) is processed? Mike http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/?type=relationref=34269 Richard (accepted) created the relation: created_by=Potlatch 0.10c (later deleted by an accepted contributor) name=Lon Las Cymru (name changed later by an accepted contributor) network=ncn ref=8 route=bicycle type=route Paul Martin (declined) added way 27681863 http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/?type=wayref=27681863 On 09/01/2012 20:54, Steve Brook wrote: You could try using the OSM History Browser to list the change sets and allow you to compare selected changes. http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/ I got this from the Route Relations 'h' link on the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Distance_ Paths page will provide the relation number and take you straight there: http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/?type=relationref=63872 Also The Deep Diff tool may be of use (linked from the OSM Inspector licence change view) http://osm.mapki.com/history/ Steve -Original Message- From: Andy [mailto:andy...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 January 2012 17:47 To: Michael Collinson Cc: OSM talk-gb Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness Does anyone know of a way to see just the tagging history of the relation itself? JOSM can reliably show the full history of a relation, even one with many versions (such as 34269). At the moment I have no clue as what proportion are routes (ugh!) and what are building multi-polygons and relatively easy to remap. Hopefully many of them are turn restrictions and boundaries, which should also be relatively easy to sort out. Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Back to the original thread, good news. Three of the top UK undecided contributors have responded to my messages and kindly accepted the new terms. York, South Wales and High Wycombe looking much better now. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
I'd just like to add that one of the top contributors down as declined is actually undecided due to Ordnance Survey OpenData compatibility concerns, not sure why he's down as declined, whether that was a mistake on his part. I've emailed him to get him to decide one way or the other, but as I said his *only* concern is whether OS OpenData is compatible with the new licence. As said before I'm agnostic on this issue, but I'm extremely keen not to have local data by this contributor deleted!!! Nick -Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: - To: OSM talk-gb talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 10/01/2012 04:48PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness Back to the original thread, good news. Three of the top UK undecided contributors have responded to my messages and kindly accepted the new terms. York, South Wales and High Wycombe looking much better now. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Can anyone provide more detailed info on the final stance of the of the top decliners? Looking at one of the websites, some are Guy, Ed Avis, Andy Street, Simon Ward, Paul Martin and ulfl. I'd given a bit of though to mapping some of the areas that are to be affected by the loss of 'Guy's data in the southwest (a lot of data!). Would be upset to spend time remapping and then find out someone was in talks with him. Jason On 10 January 2012 17:03, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.ukwrote: I'd just like to add that one of the top contributors down as declined is actually undecided due to Ordnance Survey OpenData compatibility concerns, not sure why he's down as declined, whether that was a mistake on his part. I've emailed him to get him to decide one way or the other, but as I said his *only* concern is whether OS OpenData is compatible with the new licence. As said before I'm agnostic on this issue, but I'm extremely keen not to have local data by this contributor deleted!!! Nick -Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: - To: OSM talk-gb talk-gb@openstreetmap.org talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz m...@ayeltd.biz Date: 10/01/2012 04:48PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness Back to the original thread, good news. Three of the top UK undecided contributors have responded to my messages and kindly accepted the new terms. York, South Wales and High Wycombe looking much better now. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Personally, I am still working to find a way forward so that OSM can remain compatible with Creative Commons. I joined OSM to help make a free Creative Commons (or compatible) map of the world and that remains my goal. There are a couple of avenues I am working on which I'd be happy to talk about by email or face to face. I had hoped that discussions with the LWG might result in a reasonable compromise such as continuing to offer CC-BY-SA in parallel with ODbL, and that I would be able to persuade other pro-CC mappers to support that too. But I can't speak for what others will do. I really don't want to just give up and go home unless every possibility has been exhausted. It is not too late. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Ed, On 01/10/2012 08:22 PM, Ed Avis wrote: I joined OSM to help make a free Creative Commons (or compatible) map of the world ... I really don't want to just give up and go home unless every possibility has been exhausted. It is not too late. What you really should do is first agree to the Contributor Terms and *then* continue working, from within OSM, towards a future compatibility with whatever CC license seems most suitable. I think it would be a good idea for OSM(F) to take an active role in Creative Commons' deliberations leading to their future 4.0 set of licenses provided we have the manpower for that. Holding back your agreement and essentially forcing people to re-map those of your contributions they consider valuable - and they will have to start with that *now*, not in three months - is not a good basis for your future involvement in this process. I don't think there's anybody here who believes that no CC license will ever be suitable for OSM. Personally I would not be surprised if we should change to a CC license in two or three years time. The contributor terms give us the option of doing that in a relatively painless way and without data loss. For this to happen, we need people in OSM who know about the licenses, who care about the project, and who want to help shape its future. You could be one of them. Or you could give up and go home. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Does anyone know of a way to see just the tagging history of the relation itself? JOSM can reliably show the full history of a relation, even one with many versions (such as 34269). At the moment I have no clue as what proportion are routes (ugh!) and what are building multi-polygons and relatively easy to remap. Hopefully many of them are turn restrictions and boundaries, which should also be relatively easy to sort out. Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
You could try using the OSM History Browser to list the change sets and allow you to compare selected changes. http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/ I got this from the Route Relations 'h' link on the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Distance_ Paths page will provide the relation number and take you straight there: http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/?type=relationref=63872 Also The Deep Diff tool may be of use (linked from the OSM Inspector licence change view) http://osm.mapki.com/history/ Steve -Original Message- From: Andy [mailto:andy...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 January 2012 17:47 To: Michael Collinson Cc: OSM talk-gb Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness Does anyone know of a way to see just the tagging history of the relation itself? JOSM can reliably show the full history of a relation, even one with many versions (such as 34269). At the moment I have no clue as what proportion are routes (ugh!) and what are building multi-polygons and relatively easy to remap. Hopefully many of them are turn restrictions and boundaries, which should also be relatively easy to sort out. Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Michael Collinson wrote: In the UK, the situation is slightly less rosy, with 96% of nodes and 94% of highways coming from folks who have accepted the new terms. Is there a mechanism for listing users with the greatest number of 'problem' commits. I've very few problems in my own area, but user 80n seems to be contaminating a large sway of the country so it seems to me we need to 'start at the top' and if these users confirm that there work has to be redone, then we can look at things like re-baseing the motorway system nodes -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
On 08/01/2012 16:05, Lester Caine wrote: Michael Collinson wrote: In the UK, the situation is slightly less rosy, with 96% of nodes and 94% of highways coming from folks who have accepted the new terms. Is there a mechanism for listing users with the greatest number of 'problem' commits. I've very few problems in my own area, but user 80n seems to be contaminating a large sway of the country so it seems to me we need to 'start at the top' and if these users confirm that there work has to be redone, then we can look at things like re-baseing the motorway system nodes Hi Lester, http://odbl.poole.ch/great_britain-20111208-20120104-poly.html ? (note that this is not rebuilt every day) and http://odbl.de/great_britain.html for context (rebuilt weekly) I am just sending personal messages to any undecided (yellow) contributor with over 5,000 nodes as your message came in and all undecided contributors have had two official OpenStreetMap mailings. However, the issue at the moment is that in many cases Undecided = Unreachable due to spam filters, no longer valid email addresses, and sadly decease or impacity. So we don't know. Due to privacy considerations, that is as far as the License Working Group can go. I hope that the current initiative will reach more due to personal knowledge and contact by other UK mappers. There are also some undecided and declined contributors who are making a point but may accept at the last moment. I hope we are sending out an equitable signal that this *is* the last moment without shutting the door. I personally wait a week, i.e. at least one weekend, and then pile in and remap what I can. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
On 8 January 2012 13:49, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: I strongly recommend that first you look at your areas and contact undecided mappers via the OpenStreetMap messaging system or directly if you know them. Ask if they would not mind logging into their account and accepting even if they no longer wish to continue mapping as their previous contribution is important to you. Just a quick note to say I've had a few successes with this, it doesn't take long and saved me lots of trips to remap little bits of detail all over inner south east London. Well worth half an hour browsing around your mapping haunts and contacting people. Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Before contacting people, please check the list on the wiki; we don't want to harass people that have already been contacted by others. Andy On 8 Jan 2012 17:42, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: On 8 January 2012 13:49, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: I strongly recommend that fi... Just a quick note to say I've had a few successes with this, it doesn't take long and saved me lots of trips to remap little bits of detail all over inner south east London. Well worth half an hour browsing around your mapping haunts and contacting people. Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Michael Collinson wrote: http://odbl.poole.ch/great_britain-20111208-20120104-poly.html ? (note that this is not rebuilt every day) That's what I had not got linked ... Three of my 'problems' are in the top 11 ;) I've emailed the lower level hot spots but it will not be that much work to clear the rest anyway. Just the top couple which impact a substantial area and one decline which has a chunk of work locally but not to difficult to redo. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Good point Andy. I cannot find a link though? Mike On 08/01/2012 18:46, Andy wrote: Before contacting people, please check the list on the wiki; we don't want to harass people that have already been contacted by others. Andy On 8 Jan 2012 17:42, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net mailto:t...@acrewoods.net wrote: On 8 January 2012 13:49, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: I strongly recommend that fi... Just a quick note to say I've had a few successes with this, it doesn't take long and saved me lots of trips to remap little bits of detail all over inner south east London. Well worth half an hour browsing around your mapping haunts and contacting people. Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Michael Collinson wrote: Good point Andy. I cannot find a link though? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
I'm concerned about some of the big relations we have. For example, National Cycle Network Route 8 (relation 34269). This relation has at least one user who has declined the CT [1], unfortunately this user's edit is buried deep in the history of this object. Recreating this relation from scratch would be a *lot* of work, as it covers lane and paths across hundreds of miles. It seems like the vast majority of contributions to this relation are ODBL-clean, but I have no idea how to make the whole thing clean short of remapping it. Any suggestions? Cheers, Andy [1] http://wtfe.gryph.de/api/0.6/problems?relations=34269 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB License Change Readiness
Andy wrote: I'm concerned about some of the big relations we have. For example, National Cycle Network Route 8 (relation 34269). This relation has at least one user who has declined the CT [1], unfortunately this user's edit is buried deep in the history of this object. Recreating this relation from scratch would be a *lot* of work, as it covers lane and paths across hundreds of miles. There is no chuffing way I am allowing our NCN coverage to go to pot on 1st April! Least of all Lon Las Cymru (NCN 8): http://vimeo.com/6623643 Anyone who can spot when Richard Fairhurst goes to Wales... (It's a terrific route - anyone with a taste for adventure should cycle it. That and the equally wonderful Pennine Cycleway [NCN68].) There's two elements to fixing long-distance route relations: the constituent ways, and the relation itself. First job is to make sure the ways themselves are ok. You can do that easily with the aid of any editor (even J***) and Frederik's OSM Inspector, which now offers OpenCycleMap as background imagery. After that, the relation itself should be pretty trivial. I'm intending to write a couple of scripts to help safeguard these relations, but please don't wait for it; go ahead and remap the constituent ways. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/GB-License-Change-Readiness-tp7164773p7166061.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
