Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
Andy wrote: Some of you might have seen mention of new datasets being released (today, apparently, but I can't find them yet) by the DfT http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing-road-wo rks-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get-Britain-movin g.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing-road-wo rks-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get-Britain-movin g.html road-works-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8844733/Publishing-road-wo rks-cycle-routes-and-car-parking-data-will-finally-get-Britain-movin g.html Britain-moving.html That story now links to: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8847676/Road-works-cycle-ro utes-and-car-parks-data-mapped.html which contains download links. Is anyone looking at the car parks data in a similar method to the cycle data as mentioned in the cyclestreets blog post? I've downloaded it, but I'm guessing it needs something to parse it and reproject it. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Not that I'm aware of. From the ones I've seen so far, the geocoding isn't exactly great for them, so I suspect they've been geocoded using the address or postcode. Gah, now that I look at the actual carpark data instead of just looking at the telegraph's map, there's not actually any coordinates in the dataset at all. Silly me. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
I've been working on some features in Potlatch 2 so that we can inspect, consider and merge the cycling data attributes into OSM on a street-by-street basis. I've just been looking at the cycle data. While the dataset is licenced as OGL (or as the metadata says Crown Copyright with data.gov.uk rights, if that is the same) I notice each record has an allowedUse element which in the bits I've looked at are Commercial Licence or Not For Profit - are those latter records still OK for OSM use, or do the Potlatch 2 changes you've worked on filter them out? I'll confess I've not looked in detail at what items are covered by what, but it looks to be that their community provided data is not for profit use in general, whereas the professionally surveyed stuff allows commercial use. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Not that I'm aware of. From the ones I've seen so far, the geocoding isn't exactly great for them, so I suspect they've been geocoded using the address or postcode. Gah, now that I look at the actual carpark data instead of just looking at the telegraph's map, there's not actually any coordinates in the dataset at all. Silly me. Right. The actual actual data has eastings and northings. The excel spreadsheet the telegraph links to doesn't. And it appears to me that the telegraph's Google map is made from the spreadsheet, using geocoded addresses rather than the actual eastings and northings. I'll shut up on this now! Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On 25/10/11 12:12, Andy Allan wrote: Gah, now that I look at the actual carpark data instead of just looking at the telegraph's map, there's not actually any coordinates in the dataset at all. Silly me. Yes there are: AccessPoints GeocodeTypeEntrance/GeocodeType Easting459904/Easting Northing451314/Northing StreetNameNUNNERY LANE/StreetName BarrierInOperationNo/BarrierInOperation /AccessPoints etc etc. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On 25 October 2011 12:11, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Is anyone looking at the car parks data in a similar method to the cycle data as mentioned in the cyclestreets blog post? I've downloaded it, but I'm guessing it needs something to parse it and reproject it. Not that I'm aware of. From the ones I've seen so far, the geocoding isn't exactly great for them, so I suspect they've been geocoded using the address or postcode. Thankfully the cycling data is a lot more professional than that, and thankfully we won't need to unpick the GML that it comes in! UIDs, anyone? NLPG? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: I've been working on some features in Potlatch 2 so that we can inspect, consider and merge the cycling data attributes into OSM on a street-by-street basis. I've just been looking at the cycle data. While the dataset is licenced as OGL (or as the metadata says Crown Copyright with data.gov.uk rights, if that is the same) I notice each record has an allowedUse element which in the bits I've looked at are Commercial Licence or Not For Profit - are those latter records still OK for OSM use, or do the Potlatch 2 changes you've worked on filter them out? The Potlatch2 stuff doesn't deal with the GML at all. What we're being given, separately from this GML, is a converted version of the dataset, and from the correspondence that I have it's going to be released under the OGL. For the dataset that I'm dealing with, there's no question whether there will be some bits not suitable for inclusion in OSM - that would somewhat defeat the point! As for the potlatch 2 code, it's worth clarifying that both the merging code (in potlatch2) and the serverside code for accessing it per-bbox [1] only deals with OSM format data, not GML. The work for converting it from GML into .osm is contracted to the people who actually understand the GML representation! It was done this way to ensure that everything I've put into potlatch 2 is entirely generic and reusable for any other datasets we wish to merge in the future. Cheers, Andy [1] See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
As for the potlatch 2 code, it's worth clarifying that both the merging code (in potlatch2) and the serverside code for accessing it per-bbox [1] only deals with OSM format data, not GML. The work for converting it from GML into .osm is contracted to the people who actually understand the GML representation! It was done this way to ensure that everything I've put into potlatch 2 is entirely generic and reusable for any other datasets we wish to merge in the future. snip [1] See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server So if I, or someone else, writes something that parses the car parks GML into OSM format tagging, is there someone and/or somewhere it could be uploaded it to for people to use, do you know? If so then I might look at a wiki page to discuss the mapping(s). They seem to have coordinates (in Eastings and Northings) for entrances, exits, and map which is I'm guessing where they would place a label (though will know more when I've had chance to look at the data more). For the Snapshot_Server to handle it, would it be able to match a point location to an already mapped car park area? Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New datasets being released by the DfT
On 25/10/11 13:22, Ed Loach wrote: So if I, or someone else, writes something that parses the car parks GML into OSM format tagging, is there someone and/or somewhere it could be uploaded it to for people to use, do you know? If so then I might look at a wiki page to discuss the mapping(s). They seem to have coordinates (in Eastings and Northings) for entrances, exits, and map which is I'm guessing where they would place a label (though will know more when I've had chance to look at the data more). For the Snapshot_Server to handle it, would it be able to match a point location to an already mapped car park area? If you read the documentation then you wouldn't have to guess what things means... To save you the trouble, yes, that is exactly what the Map access point is for. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
