[OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
The new postcode system was launched today. https://finder.eircode.ie Rather than discussing the pros and cons, can we look at OSM's next steps? Also have a look at the location finding resources added by the interactive maps etc. Can we use any of these to our benefit? ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
Hi, I agree. No use discussing pros and cons, we need to deal with realities. Would the first step be to get OSM to add a suitable fields on the various editors (apologies, I'm only familiar with iD) iD currently automatically provides fields for: * Address * Housename * Number * Street * City In the UK, it provides an extra postcode field. It would be useful if fields for post code and county could be added. If the system could be pre-populated with city and county (but needing confirmation), it would be good. Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > From: talk-ie-requ...@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Talk-ie Digest, Vol 74, Issue 6 > To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:00:17 + > > Send Talk-ie mailing list submissions to > talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-ie-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-ie-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-ie digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Eircode Next steps? (Daniel Cussen) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:29:42 +0100 > From: Daniel Cussen > To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland > Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The new postcode system was launched today. > > https://finder.eircode.ie > > Rather than discussing the pros and cons, can we look at OSM's next steps? > > Also have a look at the location finding resources added by the > interactive maps etc. > Can we use any of these to our benefit? > > > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > -- > > End of Talk-ie Digest, Vol 74, Issue 6 > ** ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
Hi, > On 13/07/15 14:49, Colm Moore wrote: > > It would be useful if fields for post code and county could be > > added. > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:43:36 +0200 > From: Rory McCann > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps? > > I've submitted a patch/pull request to add the postcode/eircode to iD. > addr:county doesn't seem to be used a lot (only ~600 according to > taginfo). I think part of the reason addr:county (646) is populated so little compared to addr:city (20404) is that there is a field presented for city, but not county. Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/07/15 14:49, Colm Moore wrote: > It would be useful if fields for post code and county could be > added. I've submitted a patch/pull request to add the postcode/eircode to iD. addr:county doesn't seem to be used a lot (only ~600 according to taginfo). We store counties as separate objects, people can use that if they need to calculate the county for a point/address, right? https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/2729 Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVo86QAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2R4QH/36QEsev2KQAohD39EjY2Mzr N0pl9qHI7bW+o6ZqTnjtH+YHEWtoT/jNpYJBqvVpVtVk2FoNW7R9tuSMzLWyLfPa 3oDW7+YI2u02nPYfvM6ZWaP1VgQaCEjXoZKJPxUTpb+xf5aB/1stV8EnHib8Ax3v dqcmYn2Gsnk5fGSsRbjH+5iHaaWHn61OElfHk5+5HxESmyFkDEzbtgomfluFnMgZ h0j07ly69LfePxRFRjOVEekBZxAzom3rbw3eTWkfaskyePcwfGEfZbf5Jgz0i6f8 3NbymchIItBy7KCkMdPbXVqGOjTNEfF/KL/Ts3y1EfiOizivWbRNWNf5tQ04w48= =M/TT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
On 14 July 2015 18:47:21 GMT+01:00, Colm Moore wrote: >> addr:county doesn't seem to be used a lot (only ~600 according to >> taginfo). > >I think part of the reason addr:county (646) is populated so little >compared to addr:city (20404) is that there is a field presented for >city, but not county. More than that, there is no reason to set addr:county anywhere in Ireland, for the same reason that addr:country is not needed: because the countr?y multipolygons cover the whole territory. Adding an addr:country/county/city tag is only usefull for addresses not inside the corresponding MP. Revently, rather than adding addr:city everywhere, I added a city MP around Kilkenny for that reason (I hadn't done that before because there's no official city boundary that i onow of, but an approximation is better than nothing). Concerning Eircode, I wonder about the sanity of attempting to replicate that db in osm by puting addr:postcode on every node (indeed I dont think that eircode is sane to begin with). Is maping only eircode postal districts (as polygons) useful ? It'd be comparatively trivial. -- Vincent Dp ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
The size of those polygons would be too large to be of much use to anyone for anything I fear. I had a play around on the eircode site tonight and it's honestly going to be a mess to ever make use of the data especially when it comes to apartment buildings where you will have dozens of Eircodes inside it. They did well designing it this way, ensures that it will be such a costly burden to maintain that it's unlikely to ever be opened up. Future revenues guaranteed. Dave On 14 Jul 2015 22:23, "moltonel" wrote: > > > On 14 July 2015 18:47:21 GMT+01:00, Colm Moore > wrote: > >> addr:county doesn't seem to be used a lot (only ~600 according to > >> taginfo). > > > >I think part of the reason addr:county (646) is populated so little > >compared to addr:city (20404) is that there is a field presented for > >city, but not county. > > More than that, there is no reason to set addr:county anywhere in Ireland, > for the same reason that addr:country is not needed: because the countr?y > multipolygons cover the whole territory. Adding an addr:country/county/city > tag is only usefull for addresses not inside the corresponding MP. > > Revently, rather than adding addr:city everywhere, I added > a city MP around Kilkenny for that reason (I hadn't done that before > because there's no official city boundary that i onow of, but an > approximation is better than nothing). > > Concerning Eircode, I wonder about the sanity of attempting to replicate > that db in osm by puting addr:postcode on every node (indeed I dont think > that eircode is sane to begin with). Is maping only eircode postal districts > (as polygons) useful ? It'd be comparatively trivial. > -- > Vincent Dp > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
On 14 July 2015 22:51:42 GMT+01:00, Dave Corley wrote: >The size of those polygons would be too large to be of much use to >anyone for anything I fear. The routing key alone can in theory help uniquify an adress, but I dont know how often that's true. >I had a play around on the eircode site tonight and it's honestly going >to >be a mess to ever make use of the data especially when it comes to >apartment buildings where you will have dozens of Eircodes inside it. Yeah, and of course all the letterboxes in those appartments will be labeled with their coresponding eircode to avoid confusion... Or one could write the name of the recipcient (madness !) and that way any of the building's eircodes can be used to reach any of the buiding's appartments :p >They did well designing it this way, ensures that it will be such a >costly >burden to maintain that it's unlikely to ever be opened up. Future >revenues guaranteed. There's still hope that the crapyness is obvious enough that eventually nobody will continue using eircode. Next time I'm sending a snailmail I'll put an openpostcode on the envelope. -- Vincent Dp ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
Hello,Please can you remove me from OSM discussions.Many thanks.Gill Gill Weyman > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:51:42 +0100 > From: davecor...@gmail.com > To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps? > > The size of those polygons would be too large to be of much use to anyone > for anything I fear. > > I had a play around on the eircode site tonight and it's honestly going to > be a mess to ever make use of the data especially when it comes to > apartment buildings where you will have dozens of Eircodes inside it. > > They did well designing it this way, ensures that it will be such a costly > burden to maintain that it's unlikely to ever be opened up. Future revenues > guaranteed. > > Dave > On 14 Jul 2015 22:23, "moltonel" wrote: > > > > > > > On 14 July 2015 18:47:21 GMT+01:00, Colm Moore > > wrote: > > >> addr:county doesn't seem to be used a lot (only ~600 according to > > >> taginfo). > > > > > >I think part of the reason addr:county (646) is populated so little > > >compared to addr:city (20404) is that there is a field presented for > > >city, but not county. > > > > More than that, there is no reason to set addr:county anywhere in Ireland, > > for the same reason that addr:country is not needed: because the countr?y > > multipolygons cover the whole territory. Adding an addr:country/county/city > > tag is only usefull for addresses not inside the corresponding MP. > > > > Revently, rather than adding addr:city everywhere, I added > > a city MP around Kilkenny for that reason (I hadn't done that before > > because there's no official city boundary that i onow of, but an > > approximation is better than nothing). > > > > Concerning Eircode, I wonder about the sanity of attempting to replicate > > that db in osm by puting addr:postcode on every node (indeed I dont think > > that eircode is sane to begin with). Is maping only eircode postal districts > > (as polygons) useful ? It'd be comparatively trivial. > > -- > > Vincent Dp > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?
On 15/07/2015, Gill Weyman wrote: > Hello,Please can you remove me from OSM discussions.Many thanks.Gill You need to do this yourself, click on the link at the bottom of each email (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie) at you have an "unsubscribe" option at the bottom. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
