Re: [talk-cz] Fantom schránka 41007:221

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 10. 01. 19 v 22:54 Marián Kyral napsal(a):
> 
> Dalibore, můžeš se prosím poptat té paní, kde máme tu náves hledat?

Napsal jsem jí. Dám vědět až dorazí odpověď.

Mirek

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[talk-au] Fwd: Editing road geometry Australia

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Resend to include list :-(

Thanks

Graeme


-- Forwarded message -
From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 17:12
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Editing road geometry Australia
To: Petra Rajka - (p) 



On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 16:19, Petra Rajka - (p) 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m Petra and I am part of the mapping team at Telenav.
>
> Since January we started to work on road geometry in Canberra, Perth and
> Melbourne and we came across some intersections where roads (turn lanes)
> are mapped separately even where there is no physical divider or chevron
> markings.
>

Sorry, Petra, but you've got me, at least, a bit confused?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/-32.09137/116.01315 certainly
appears to show traffic islands (better view with Esri Clarity)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/-35.34078/149.16289 has marked
"turn right only" lanes.

Sorry, can't see a problem with either of them, unless you're looking at
something I'm not seeing? :-)

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [OSM-talk] Google deletes map of Kurdistan - can we do better?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 10.01.19 22:36, Andreas Vilén wrote:
> However there
> doesn't seem to be any map that covers the entire area.

I don't know what you mean. Of course OSM covers the entire area?

Bye
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Re: [talk-au] Editing road geometry Australia

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Petra,

 

Perhaps you can give examples on how you think it should be mapped and maybe
the wiki for such features?

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-32.09135/116.01298 

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/-35.34082/149.16303 

 

They both look fine to me..but I don't do much road mapping so others will
probably chime in.

 

Cheers - Phil (tastrax)

 

From: Petra Rajka - (p) [mailto:petra.ra...@telenav.com] 
Sent: Friday, 11 January 2019 5:18 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [talk-au] Editing road geometry Australia

 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm Petra and I am part of the mapping team at Telenav.

Since January we started to work on road geometry in Canberra, Perth and
Melbourne and we came across some intersections where roads (turn lanes) are
mapped separately even where there is no physical divider or chevron
markings.

 

See below two cases where we would simplify the geometry:

*   -32.0914374, 116.0129206
*   -35.3409195, 149.1616891

 

What's your opinion about? What is the reason why turn lanes are mapped
separately in these cases?

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Editing road geometry Australia

[Maarten Deen]

On 2019-01-11 07:16, Petra Rajka - (p) wrote:


Since January we started to work on road geometry in Canberra, Perth
and Melbourne and we came across some intersections where roads (turn
lanes) are mapped separately even where there is no physical divider
or chevron markings.

See below two cases where we would simplify the geometry:

* -32.0914374, 116.0129206


Is seen no big problem in how the roads are layed out there. Coming from 
the motorway there is a clear divider where the offramp connects to the 
Albany Highway.
I have more problems with the tags of the on- and offramp. They are 
mapped as motorway when they should be mapped as motorway_link. The two 
bridges in the on- and offramp are mapped as motorway_link.



* -35.3409195, 149.1616891


Ways 77001149 and 77000891 should IMHO not be mapped like that but 
mapped with turn:lanes.


Regards,
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[talk-au] Editing road geometry Australia

[Petra Rajka - (p)]

Hi everyone,

I'm Petra and I am part of the mapping team at Telenav.
Since January we started to work on road geometry in Canberra, Perth and 
Melbourne and we came across some intersections where roads (turn lanes) are 
mapped separately even where there is no physical divider or chevron markings.

See below two cases where we would simplify the geometry:

  *   -32.0914374, 116.0129206
  *   -35.3409195, 149.1616891

What's your opinion about? What is the reason why turn lanes are mapped 
separately in these cases?

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[OSM-talk] Editing road geometry Australia

[Petra Rajka - (p)]

Hi everyone,

I'm Petra and I am part of the mapping team at Telenav.
Since January we started to work on road geometry in Canberra, Perth and 
Melbourne and we came across some intersections where roads (turn lanes) are 
mapped separately even where there is no physical divider or chevron markings.

See below two cases where we would simplify the geometry:

  *   -32.0914374, 116.0129206
  *   -35.3409195, 149.1616891

What's your opinion about? What is the reason why turn lanes are mapped 
separately in these cases?


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Re: [talk-cz] Fantom schránka 41007:221

[Jan Dudík]

Někdy může pomoct pohled na mapu, která větší vesnice nemá žádnou schránku
a pak udělat terénní průzkum (streetview, panorama)
už jsem taklhle nějakou schránku dohledal, ale tam bylo aspoň jméno
mateřské obce.
---
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projekce dopravních staveb
tel. 777082195


čt 10. 1. 2019 v 22:54 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

> Ahoj,
> s menším zpožděním (opět!) jsem aktualizoval poštovní schránky. Je tam
> hodně změn, většina je ale jen úklid v poznámkách (smazání duplicitních
> informací).
> Taky jsem dohledal souřadnice několika nových schránek. Ale na 41007:221
> jsem krátký :-(
>
> *41007;Depo Lovosice 70;221náves12:05;1-5 - pracovní dny (pondělí
> až pátek)*
>
>
> Dalibore, můžeš se prosím poptat té paní, kde máme tu náves hledat?
>
> Díky,
> Marián
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Tagging] Quick Building tracing question... -> Area Selector JOSM plugin

[André Pirard]

On 2019-01-10 03:42, John Willis wrote:
I am tracing and repairing existing traces of warehouses in an 
industrial district.

On a slightly different but similar subject.
To do serious fast building tracing, one should use JOSM with Area 
Selector Plugin  and an 
orthorectified map such as PICC in geoportail.wallonie.be or 
basemap.at.  That goes, complete with auto-incrementing street number 
tagging, at the rate of one house per 5-10 sec, but needs occasional 
touch up with Improve Way Accuracy tool.
While doing that I also make lots of corrections to traces by other OSM 
editors with a 2, 5 m or more precision error.
This is partly because they trace roofs from aerial maps, which are not 
at ground location because the camera view and walls are slanted. But 
also the roads are affected by imprecision.
Orthorectification does an incredible job of putting that right, 
impossible to do by hand. It computes the slant angle in one place, uses 
it in another, uses shades on the ground etc. I've seen it detect in 
meadows banks (slopes) that were strictly invisible to the eye.

This raises a problem.
When meeting untagged buildings that have been coarsely traced 5-10 m 
away from their position, should they simply be erased and replaced in 5 
secs or should 20+ sec instead of 5 be spent for conflation?
I asked Paul to add conflation 
. He did it, but with no 
tag merging.
I suggested that Area Selector simply invoked Replace Geometry instead 
.
If you feel that conflation is important, please visit these pages and 
back these requests.
Many of the warehouses have large (3-6m) roofs over the loading dock 
gates, making the building appear bigger.


here is an example.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/494766956

if I am mapping this kind of warehouses, which should I:

- map the whole structure as a warehouse

- map on the building portion as a warehouse (as I have done)

- map the building as a warehouse and map an attached polygon as the 
roof (which I haven’t done yet).


I am going to spend the time cleaning up UltimaSnorlax’s bad polygons, 
I might a well draw them correctly the first time.


Javbw



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Re: [Talk-it] Ricariche telefoniche

[Sergio Manzi]

Totalmente d'accordo.

Quando vedo che si discute sul come "/mappare/" cose come le leve di 
azionamento delle valvole degli impianti idraulici, incomincio chiedermi cosa 
c'entri lo "street" in openstreetmap: evidentemente l'obiettivo del progetto è 
cambiato e non sono del tutto certo, anzi, che la cosa possa interessarmi...

Sergio


On 2019-01-10 21:10, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> Scusate che intervengo sul principio. 
> Discutiamo dei dettagli tecnici di dati che non andrebbero messi nel database 
> di OSM per il banale problema che non abbiamo la manodopera per mantenerli.
> Sono dati che marciscono più rapidamente che li possiamo inserire.
>
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 17:15 Daniele Santini   wrote:
>
> "amenity"="vending_machine" + 
> "prepaid_top_up"="mobile_phone;public_transport" + 
> "prepaid_top_up:brand"="BVG;BRAND1;BRAND2"
>
> Ciao,
> Daniele
>
> Il giorno gio 10 gen 2019 alle ore 13:05 
>  > ha scritto:
>
>
> per me nell'ultima variante non funziona più. Come potrei taggare che 
> un
> distributore mi fa ricaricare sia la prepagata di biglietti di 
> trasporto
> pubblico per BVG nonchè anche ricaricare le prepagate dei cellulari di
> BRAND1 e BRAND2?
>
> -- 
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> http://www.dsantini.it
>


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[talk-cz] Fantom schránka 41007:221

[Marián Kyral]

Ahoj,
s menším zpožděním (opět!) jsem aktualizoval poštovní schránky. Je tam 
hodně změn, většina je ale jen úklid v poznámkách (smazání duplicitních 
informací).
Taky jsem dohledal souřadnice několika nových schránek. Ale na 41007:221 
jsem krátký :-(


*41007;Depo Lovosice 70;221náves12:05;1-5 - pracovní dny 
(pondělí až pátek)**

*

Dalibore, můžeš se prosím poptat té paní, kde máme tu náves hledat?

Díky,
Marián
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Guillaume, DWG,

Thanks for the conclusion. I asked in a different email on this thread to post 
this on the OSMF web site, to have a permanent, immutable copy that we can 
refer to when it comes to enforcing / disputes. 

I am a confused about the statement 'not following the organised editing 
guidelines isn’t an offence per se'. I am trying to make a connection with what 
you said in the October 2018 board meeting: 'The DWG is going to enforce [the 
guidelines] just as it enforces anything else which comes from community 
consensus'[1]. If the guidelines are going to be enforced, could you add some 
clarity to the decision making process? Who decides when non-compliance becomes 
an offense and on what criteria? How serious of an offense, or how many, would 
it take to be banned? 

Martijn

[1] 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2018-10-18#Guidelines_contain_prescriptive_statements

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 08:31, Guillaume Rischard wrote:
> The Data Working Group is happy to announce that our new Organised 
> Editing Guidelines have now been officially put online on the wiki at 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines
> 
> I'm happy to answer any questions here. In the meanwhile, here's my 
> updated report.
> 
> We at DWG are, first of all, thankful for all the constructive input we 
> have received, from the advisory board, the humanitarian mapping 
> initiatives and the mapping community.
> 
> The organised editing guidelines took a lot of work to prepare. We 
> received and integrated a lot of feedback to reflect consensus and 
> existing good practice.
> 
> We looked at what similar policies would exist, on OSM or in other 
> organisations. I believe that no other project, open or proprietary, 
> has faced this exact issue before. On OSM, contributors generally 
> understand the current policies on automated edits and imports. We 
> wrote the organised editing guidelines in a similar way, while adopting 
> a slightly softer approach – not following the organised editing 
> guidelines isn’t an offence per se. Elsewhere, Wikipedia has numerous 
> policies some vaguely similar, but the problems they face are quite 
> different, and their policies tend to be a lot more complex.
> 
> Internally, we looked back at past problematic edits. We carefully 
> wrote the guidelines and defined the scope to prevent those problems 
> without creating loopholes or negative incentives like encouraging 
> salami tactics. They are not meant to apply to community activities 
> like mapping parties between friends or making a presentation on OSM at 
> a local club, but only to ‘sizeable, substantial’ activities. We wanted 
> something that doesn’t scare casual events off while letting us 
> regulate a geography class gone berserk or a misguided volunteer 
> mapathon.
> 
> We also didn’t want to set hard limits in stone since they would have 
> to go back to the Board constantly if we need to refine exactly what 
> falls under the guidelines.
> 
> Humanitarian activities deserve our fullest support. We therefore 
> adapted the guidelines for them, both implicitly, by requiring only a 
> best-effort approach, and explicitly, by exempting emergencies from the 
> two-week discussion period. Some humanitarian edits have been 
> problematic before, and the guidelines are easy to follow; a blanket 
> exemption would send the wrong signal.
> 
> We saw the amount of corporate good will at SotM, the tensions in the 
> community, and the (dis)organised edits that mappers have referred to 
> us. It is good for everyone that those guidelines are now online on the 
> wiki. Good actors, existing and new, will be able to trust clear 
> expectations. The community will be confident that this is the 
> consensus that will be respected. Confused newcomers will get a 
> blueprint for a successful organised edit.
> 
> We wrote guidelines that are easy to read and follow and provide 
> clarity on how good organised edits should run without having a 
> chilling effect on them.
> 
> I’m glad that this project is now concluded, and am convinced that it 
> will be a good thing both for OSM and for the OSM community.
> 
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[OSM-talk] Google deletes map of Kurdistan - can we do better?

[Andreas Vilén]

Hi!

The Turkish government has forced Google to delete a user made map of
Kurdistan. I read this in a Swedish news article here:
https://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/google-raderade-kurdistan-karta/ This is
the best English source I can find:
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/google-forced-to-delete-custom-made-map-of-kurdistan-amid-pressure-from-turkey/

They were forced to delete it for Turkish citizens but chose to delete it
completely anyway ("technical reasons"), but have since restored it for the
rest of the world:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ie=UTF8=h=UTF8=0=1umTU2XPOmzQ245YY40dF_NNTpVc=36.21402763739052%2C39.249140445657076=9

This got me thinking: how does OSM display Kurdistan? It seems, we don't.
This relation covers the Iranian province of Kurdistan:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5392650 However there doesn't seem
to be any map that covers the entire area.

I realize that it might be hard to map this since the region has no
official border, right? I have no local knowledge at all, so I'm really
just rising the topic for discussion. Also, there's no way to know if the
Turkish government will crack down on OSMF if we do this.

Opinions?

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[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2019-01-08

[Dave Hansen]

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-01-08

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-01-08/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-01-08

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi, 

Could you please put the version that was approved up at 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines ? As it is 
now, the text as approved is available at 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/1/13/Organised_editing_guidelines_version_20180908.pdf
 (I assume this is the same text), but since it is an official OSMF document 
now, it should really be discoverable under 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Policies_and_other_Documents.

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 13:35, Paul Norman wrote:
> On 2019-01-10 10:19 a.m., Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > Since it is on the OSM wiki and there is no statement indicating
> > otherwise does this mean we can start improving the guidelines now?;-)
> 
> 
> If you can edit them to be closer to the text approved by the OSMF board ;)
> 
> We just discussed this internally, the reason we've got them on the 
> publicly editable wiki even though it's a policy is the number of links 
> to/from the page make it more useful on the this wiki instead of the 
> OSMF one.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Christoph Hormann]

On Thursday 10 January 2019, Paul Norman wrote:
>
> We just discussed this internally, the reason we've got them on the
> publicly editable wiki even though it's a policy is the number of
> links to/from the page make it more useful on the this wiki instead
> of the OSMF one.

I have no objections to that but i think you should either indicate that 
the page with the guideline should not be edited by anyone except OSMF 
board or DWG or mention that this version is being worked on 
continuously by the community and the authoritive version is to be 
found elsewhere.

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Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione "Il Messaggero"

[Maurizio Napolitano]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:39 PM Cascafico Giovanni  wrote:
>
> Velocissimi a cambiare immagine e rimuovere quella che hai analizzato. Mi 
> sembra anche strano che avessero lasciato i tag exif... Secondo me è stata 
> una dimenticanza.
>
> Adesso hanno accuratamente tagliato fuori anche l'attribuzione Google è 
> chiaro che è stato fatto deliberatamente
>
> Possibile che tutti i giornalisti si vergognino ad ammettere che le mappe non 
> le disegnano loro? Scopriremo mai l'origine di questa tara?

Mah!
Secondo me è solo ignoranza e questione di come credono di gestire lo spazio.
In ogn icaso non è una cosa buona.

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Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione "Il Messaggero"

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Velocissimi a cambiare immagine e rimuovere quella che hai analizzato. Mi
sembra anche strano che avessero lasciato i tag exif... Secondo me è stata
una dimenticanza.

Adesso hanno accuratamente tagliato fuori anche l'attribuzione Google è
chiaro che è stato fatto deliberatamente

Possibile che tutti i giornalisti si vergognino ad ammettere che le mappe
non le disegnano loro? Scopriremo mai l'origine di questa tara?

Il 10/gen/2019 20:41, "francesco gargano"  ha
scritto:

> Segnalo nuova mancata attribuzione "professionale"
> con un sarcastico © RIPRODUZIONE RISERVATA
> in fondo all'articolo [1] [2],
> il dubbio e che ritaglino le immagini a dovere pur di
> "nascondere" qualcosa.
> l'artista , come recitano le informazioni exif dell'immagine
> è il loro giornalista riccardo tagliapietra
>
>
> [1] https://www.ilmessaggero.it/italia/terremoto_vipiteno_
> merano_bolzano_oggi-4222488.html
> [2] https://www.ilmessaggero.it/photos/MED/24/88/4222488_2010_
> terremoto.jpg
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Paul Norman]

On 2019-01-10 10:19 a.m., Christoph Hormann wrote:

Since it is on the OSM wiki and there is no statement indicating
otherwise does this mean we can start improving the guidelines now?;-)



If you can edit them to be closer to the text approved by the OSMF board ;)

We just discussed this internally, the reason we've got them on the 
publicly editable wiki even though it's a policy is the number of links 
to/from the page make it more useful on the this wiki instead of the 
OSMF one.



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Re: [Talk-it] Ricariche telefoniche

[Volker Schmidt]

Scusate che intervengo sul principio.
Discutiamo dei dettagli tecnici di dati che non andrebbero messi nel
database di OSM per il banale problema che non abbiamo la manodopera per
mantenerli.
Sono dati che marciscono più rapidamente che li possiamo inserire.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 17:15 Daniele Santini  "amenity"="vending_machine" +
> "prepaid_top_up"="mobile_phone;public_transport" +
> "prepaid_top_up:brand"="BVG;BRAND1;BRAND2"
>
> Ciao,
> Daniele
>
> Il giorno gio 10 gen 2019 alle ore 13:05 <
> talk-it-requ...@openstreetmap.org> ha scritto:
>
>>
>> per me nell'ultima variante non funziona più. Come potrei taggare che un
>> distributore mi fa ricaricare sia la prepagata di biglietti di trasporto
>> pubblico per BVG nonchè anche ricaricare le prepagate dei cellulari di
>> BRAND1 e BRAND2?
>>
>> --
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[Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione "Il Messaggero"

[francesco gargano]

Segnalo nuova mancata attribuzione "professionale"
con un sarcastico © RIPRODUZIONE RISERVATA
in fondo all'articolo [1] [2],
il dubbio e che ritaglino le immagini a dovere pur di
"nascondere" qualcosa.
l'artista , come recitano le informazioni exif dell'immagine
è il loro giornalista riccardo tagliapietra


[1]
https://www.ilmessaggero.it/italia/terremoto_vipiteno_merano_bolzano_oggi-4222488.html
[2] https://www.ilmessaggero.it/photos/MED/24/88/4222488_2010_terremoto.jpg
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Christoph Hormann]

On Thursday 10 January 2019, Guillaume Rischard wrote:
> The Data Working Group is happy to announce that our new Organised
> Editing Guidelines have now been officially put online on the wiki at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines

Since it is on the OSM wiki and there is no statement indicating 
otherwise does this mean we can start improving the guidelines now? ;-)

By the way the examples are good work, i like them much better than the 
guidelines themselves.

> Internally, we looked back at past problematic edits. We carefully
> wrote the guidelines and defined the scope to prevent those problems
> without creating loopholes or negative incentives like encouraging
> salami tactics.

We will see - you know i have doubts about this and i am particularly on 
the lookout for the first case of "let me through, it's an emergency".

-- 
Christoph Hormann
http://www.imagico.de/

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Re: [Talk-at] Frohes Neues Jahr

[scubbx]

*Variante A:* Für die schnelle Erzeugung von VectorTiles, sieh dir mal
den GeoServer inklusive VectorTile Plugin an (läuft auf einem Tomcat
Server, oder mit einem integrierten Jetty - gibts, wenn gewollt, aber
auch als Docker Container). Wenn dir das Styling egal ist, ist das
meines Erachtens bereits eine schnelle fire-and-forget Lösung. Man hat
halt (noch?) keinen Einfluss auf das Ausmaß der Generalisierung, die der
VectorTile Renderer durchführt. Ich weiß noch nicht einmal, welche Art
der Generalisierung dieser anwendet, möchte mir das aber noch ansehen.

*Variante B:* Allerdings könnte ein einfacher, gestaffelter (wegen
Zoomstufen) WFS Service in dem Fall auch genügen.

*Variante C:* Wenn es sich nur um ein kleines Gebiet handet, dann ist
wohl die einfachste Variante, ein GeoJSON File (oder ein WKT, das sollte
speichereffizienter sein) aus den Höhenlinien zu erstellen. OpenLayers
kann das direkt laden.

Soweit mein schneller Brainstorm. :-D

lg, ScubbX


Am 05.01.19 um 22:30 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann:
> On 01.01.2019 02:49, scubbx wrote:
>> Eine der bedeutendsten Ereignisse des vergangenen Jahres war bestimmt,
>> dass das Konzept von VectorTiles salonfähig wurde (und durch eine der
>> ersten Implementierungen durch das OpenMapTiles Projekt auf Basis von
>> OSM Daten in performanter und effizienter Weise umgesetzt wurde. (!) ).
>
>> Für das kommende Jahr sind wieder einige Stammtische geplant (ich selber
>> kann nur für Wien sprechen [...]
> Es trifft sich gut, wenn wir gleich beides verbinden können. Darum
> hoffe ich auf einen Stammtisch-Termin, wo ich Zeit habe. ;-)
>
> Dass sich bei den Vector Tiles einiges getan hat, ging an mir vorbei,
> aber das ist sicher eine gute Sache. Ich hab schon in Bezug auf
> Höhenlinien versucht, mich damit zu beschäftigen, aber noch ohne
> Erfolg. Aus den OGD hab ich vor 2 Jahren eine IMG-Datei für
> Garmin-Geräte gemacht (http://steige.info/osm/data/at_hl.img) und hier
> auf Talk-AT davon berichtet. Das hat keinen interessiert, weil ich
> hier der einzige bin, der im Gebirge unterwegs ist. Aber für diesen
> Zweck sind genaue Höhenlinien halt extrem wichtig. Mir selber nutzen
> diese Höhenlinien bei meinen Touren sehr. Nun fehlt noch was, damit
> man sich auch am PC eine Karte mit Höhenlinien anschauen kann. Ein
> Overlay (in Openlayers oder Leaflet), das man über die Standardkarte
> legt, wär schon mal besser als gar nichts, aber dazu muss man das
> Shapefile, das beim Erzeugen der Höhenlinien mit gdal_contour
> rauskommt, in Tiles (am besten natürlich vector tiles) umwandeln, und
> das hab ich noch nicht zusammengebracht.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Jan 10, 2019, 4:26 PM by openstreet...@stereo.lu:

> I believe that no other project, open or proprietary, has faced this exact 
> issue before. 
>
AFAIK Wikipedia had (and has) exactly the same problem - ranging from well 
meaning people
(that frequently caused problem) through low-paid people who wanted to do their 
job ASAP
to blatant vandal-spammers.

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Re: [talk-cz] Problém s JOSM

[Jan Martinec]

Dne 01/10/19 v 14:42 Dalibor Jelínek napsal(a):
> Ahoj,
>
> stažený to JNLP mám na ploše.
>
> Zjistil jsem, že když vlezu do ovládacího panelu Javy a kliknu na View…
> u Temporary Internet Files
>
> tak tam JOSM je a odtud jde i spustit (stáhne se a pustí).
>
> Ale poklikáním prostě ne.
>
> Nemá to někde nějaký log, který by mi řekl více.
>
>
>
> Ten script, co máš, je na Windows? Můžeš mi ho, prosím, poslat?
>
>
> Děkuji.
>
> Dalibor
>
>
Ahoj,

na Windows používám toto:

stáhnu si JOSM z https://josm.openstreetmap.de/josm-tested.jar někam,
třeba na plochu - je to jen tenhle jeden soubor.
spustím si "cmd.exe" (vše bez uvozovek)
dám "cd Plocha"
(podle jazyka, někde je to "cd Desktop" atp.)
spustím "java -jar josm-tested.jar"
JOSM se začne spouštět a v tom příkazovém okně vypisuje, co dělá a co se
mu nelíbí.

(Prakticky totožně to funguje i na Macu, různých Linuxech etc., základní
je ten příkaz "java -jar josm-tested.jar", liší se jen v tom, kam se to
stáhne :) - jen občas je potřeba stáhnout novou verzi.

JNLP je zjednodušená verze téhož - *pokud* funguje, je to super. Bohužel,
co jsem zažil, tak funguje...občas.)

Zdar,
Honza "Piškvor" Martinec
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Re: [talk-cz] Problém s JOSM

[Jan Macura]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:04, Dalibor Jelínek  wrote:

> Ahoj,
>
> nedokážete mi, prosím, někdo poradit s JOSM?
>

Ahoj,

poradit Ti nedokážu, ale před nedávnou dobou jsem přestal .jnlp používat,
protože to začalo "fungovat" vcelku stejně. Stáhnout jednou za čas jeden
.jar soubor naštěstí nenío tolik práce navíc.

H.
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Re: [Talk-it] Ricariche telefoniche

[Daniele Santini]

"amenity"="vending_machine" +
"prepaid_top_up"="mobile_phone;public_transport" +
"prepaid_top_up:brand"="BVG;BRAND1;BRAND2"

Ciao,
Daniele

Il giorno gio 10 gen 2019 alle ore 13:05 
ha scritto:

>
> per me nell'ultima variante non funziona più. Come potrei taggare che un
> distributore mi fa ricaricare sia la prepagata di biglietti di trasporto
> pubblico per BVG nonchè anche ricaricare le prepagate dei cellulari di
> BRAND1 e BRAND2?
>
> --
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Re: [talk-cz] Praha zveřejnila otevřená data o MHD

[majka]

Závidím. Koukla jsem jen na ty zastávky v JSON, je to luxusní. Takhle to
mít u nás, tak si chrochtám blahem.
Alespoň mám něco, k čemu se snažit ty Budějovice dostrkat.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 16:07, xkomc...@centrum.cz 
wrote:

> via
> https://www.lupa.cz/aktuality/praha-zverejnila-otevrena-data-o-mhd-prvni-je-nasazuji-google-maps/
>
> Údaje obsahují informace o jízdném, garantované přestupy, jízdní řády
> v Praze a Středočeském kraji, *polohy zastávek*, prodejní místa, *geografická
> data*, výluky a mimořádnosti v dopravě a další. Pražský dopravní podnik
> chce také uvolnit data o aktuální poloze tramvají a autobusů.
>
> https://pid.cz/o-systemu/opendata/
>
> Data, která lze stáhnout přímo zde z webu, jsou stejně jako celý obsah
> webu opatřena licencí *CC-BY
> *, tedy je lze dále šířit,
> avšak je nutné uvést autora a případné provedené změny. Data, která lze
> stáhnout z jiných zdrojů zde odkazovaných, se řídí licencí daného zdroje.
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[OSM-talk] Organised Editing Guidelines now officially live

[Guillaume Rischard]

The Data Working Group is happy to announce that our new Organised Editing 
Guidelines have now been officially put online on the wiki at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines

I'm happy to answer any questions here. In the meanwhile, here's my updated 
report.

We at DWG are, first of all, thankful for all the constructive input we have 
received, from the advisory board, the humanitarian mapping initiatives and the 
mapping community.

The organised editing guidelines took a lot of work to prepare. We received and 
integrated a lot of feedback to reflect consensus and existing good practice.

We looked at what similar policies would exist, on OSM or in other 
organisations. I believe that no other project, open or proprietary, has faced 
this exact issue before. On OSM, contributors generally understand the current 
policies on automated edits and imports. We wrote the organised editing 
guidelines in a similar way, while adopting a slightly softer approach – not 
following the organised editing guidelines isn’t an offence per se. Elsewhere, 
Wikipedia has numerous policies some vaguely similar, but the problems they 
face are quite different, and their policies tend to be a lot more complex.

Internally, we looked back at past problematic edits. We carefully wrote the 
guidelines and defined the scope to prevent those problems without creating 
loopholes or negative incentives like encouraging salami tactics. They are not 
meant to apply to community activities like mapping parties between friends or 
making a presentation on OSM at a local club, but only to ‘sizeable, 
substantial’ activities. We wanted something that doesn’t scare casual events 
off while letting us regulate a geography class gone berserk or a misguided 
volunteer mapathon.

We also didn’t want to set hard limits in stone since they would have to go 
back to the Board constantly if we need to refine exactly what falls under the 
guidelines.

Humanitarian activities deserve our fullest support. We therefore adapted the 
guidelines for them, both implicitly, by requiring only a best-effort approach, 
and explicitly, by exempting emergencies from the two-week discussion period. 
Some humanitarian edits have been problematic before, and the guidelines are 
easy to follow; a blanket exemption would send the wrong signal.

We saw the amount of corporate good will at SotM, the tensions in the 
community, and the (dis)organised edits that mappers have referred to us. It is 
good for everyone that those guidelines are now online on the wiki. Good 
actors, existing and new, will be able to trust clear expectations. The 
community will be confident that this is the consensus that will be respected. 
Confused newcomers will get a blueprint for a successful organised edit.

We wrote guidelines that are easy to read and follow and provide clarity on how 
good organised edits should run without having a chilling effect on them.

I’m glad that this project is now concluded, and am convinced that it will be a 
good thing both for OSM and for the OSM community.

Guillaume
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[talk-cz] Praha zveřejnila otevřená data o MHD

[xkomc...@centrum.cz]

via 
https://www.lupa.cz/aktuality/praha-zverejnila-otevrena-data-o-mhd-prvni-je-nasazuji-google-maps/


Údaje obsahují informace o jízdném, garantované přestupy, jízdní řády 
v Praze a Středočeském kraji, *polohy zastávek*, prodejní místa, 
*geografická data*, výluky a mimořádnosti v dopravě a další. Pražský 
dopravní podnik chce také uvolnit data o aktuální poloze tramvají a 
autobusů.


https://pid.cz/o-systemu/opendata/

Data, která lze stáhnout přímo zde z webu, jsou stejně jako celý obsah 
webu opatřena licencí *CC-BY 
*, tedy je lze dále šířit, 
avšak je nutné uvést autora a případné provedené změny. Data, která lze 
stáhnout z jiných zdrojů zde odkazovaných, se řídí licencí daného zdroje.


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Re: [talk-cz] Problém s JOSM

[majka]

Tohle bych odhadla na zabezpečení - java/windows/antivir. Ten můj skript
jsem ti poslala přímo, ale můžeš zkusit prozkoumat nastavení (jestli není
zablokované spouštění v javě a nebo jestli není zablokované spouštění
programů stažených z internetu - mám bloknuté obojí, a nestálo mi za to
přesvědčovat počítač, že tohle opravdu chci spustit.
Majka

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:42, Dalibor Jelínek  wrote:

> Ahoj,
>
> stažený to JNLP mám na ploše.
>
> Zjistil jsem, že když vlezu do ovládacího panelu Javy a kliknu na View… u
> Temporary Internet Files
>
> tak tam JOSM je a odtud jde i spustit (stáhne se a pustí).
>
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Re: [talk-cz] Problém s JOSM

[Dalibor Jelínek]

Ahoj,

stažený to JNLP mám na ploše.

Zjistil jsem, že když vlezu do ovládacího panelu Javy a kliknu na View… u 
Temporary Internet Files

tak tam JOSM je a odtud jde i spustit (stáhne se a pustí).

Ale poklikáním prostě ne.

Nemá to někde nějaký log, který by mi řekl více.

 

Ten script, co máš, je na Windows? Můžeš mi ho, prosím, poslat?


Děkuji.

Dalibor

 

From: majka [mailto:majka.zem+t...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 2:30 PM
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Subject: Re: [talk-cz] Problém s JOSM

 

Dalibore, zkus stáhnout ten soubor ze "spouštěcího cosi" k sobě do počítače, a 
poklepáním na něj ho spustit.

V podstatě je to skript, který JOSM stáhne a spustí. 

 

Co se může "zaseknout":

- blbě (nestandardně) nastavená java, která to nespustí vůbec

- zabezpečení počítače, které zakáže ten skriptík spustit

- chyba ve stahování JOSM nebo toho souboru

 

Osobně používám jinou metodu - skriptem u mě stahuji přímo ten jar soubor, 
pokud je na internetu novější než který mám. Protože .jnlp u mě dělalo problémy 
díky zabezpečení (bez administrátora, nestandardní umístění javy) + provozování 
JOSM v portable módu a několika různých konfiguracích

 

Majka

 

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:04, Dalibor Jelínek mailto:dali...@dalibor.cz> > wrote:

Ahoj,

nedokážete mi, prosím, někdo poradit s JOSM?

Mám nový počítač, tak jsem si nainstaloval obě verze JAVA (32bit i 64 bit)

a z tady si stáhnul spouštěcí cosi 

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm-latest.jnlp

Když na to kliknu, tak se mi objeví splash screen Javy, 

chvíli se točí kolečko, jako že se něco děje a po chvilce

splash screen zmizí a nic se nestane.

Nevíte, co musím poladit?

Stažené josm-latest.jar funguje normálně.

 

Díky,

Dalibor

 

 

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[Talk-it] query spaziali su MySql

[Gian Luca Gaiba]

Salve a tutti

lo so di essere un po' fuori tema
ma vi chiedo solo un'informazione:
sapete di forum/mailing list/communities
a cui possa rivolgermi per approfondire l'argomento delle query spaziali su
mysql?

sto affrontando ora l'implementazione
e vorrei capire un po' piu' approfonditamente come ottimizzare
ed aumentare le performance...

grazie a scusate il disturbo
ciaoo
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Re: [talk-cz] Problém s JOSM

[majka]

Dalibore, zkus stáhnout ten soubor ze "spouštěcího cosi" k sobě do
počítače, a poklepáním na něj ho spustit.
V podstatě je to skript, který JOSM stáhne a spustí.

Co se může "zaseknout":
- blbě (nestandardně) nastavená java, která to nespustí vůbec
- zabezpečení počítače, které zakáže ten skriptík spustit
- chyba ve stahování JOSM nebo toho souboru

Osobně používám jinou metodu - skriptem u mě stahuji přímo ten jar soubor,
pokud je na internetu novější než který mám. Protože .jnlp u mě dělalo
problémy díky zabezpečení (bez administrátora, nestandardní umístění
javy) + provozování JOSM v portable módu a několika různých konfiguracích

Majka

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:04, Dalibor Jelínek  wrote:

> Ahoj,
>
> nedokážete mi, prosím, někdo poradit s JOSM?
>
> Mám nový počítač, tak jsem si nainstaloval obě verze JAVA (32bit i 64 bit)
>
> a z tady si stáhnul spouštěcí cosi
>
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm-latest.jnlp
>
> Když na to kliknu, tak se mi objeví splash screen Javy,
>
> chvíli se točí kolečko, jako že se něco děje a po chvilce
>
> splash screen zmizí a nic se nestane.
>
> Nevíte, co musím poladit?
>
> Stažené josm-latest.jar funguje normálně.
>
>
>
> Díky,
>
> Dalibor
>
>
>
>
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[talk-cz] Problém s JOSM

[Dalibor Jelínek]

Ahoj,

nedokážete mi, prosím, někdo poradit s JOSM?

Mám nový počítač, tak jsem si nainstaloval obě verze JAVA (32bit i 64 bit)

a z tady si stáhnul spouštěcí cosi 

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm-latest.jnlp

Když na to kliknu, tak se mi objeví splash screen Javy, 

chvíli se točí kolečko, jako že se něco děje a po chvilce

splash screen zmizí a nic se nestane.

Nevíte, co musím poladit?

Stažené josm-latest.jar funguje normálně.

 

Díky,

Dalibor

 

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[SK53]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:39, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

>
> snip
>
> because they're more likely to get shot on private land. Hope this is
> not so much of a concern in the UK ;)
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
>
Only if one is a raptor: https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/

Jerry
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!

[Marc Gemis]

Thanks Dries & Jonathan for explaining it.
Too bad I cannot come to those days.

Perhaps there will be a SOTM-be or so later on this year ?

m.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:41 AM Dries Van Ransbeeck 
wrote:

> Yes, Open Belgium 2019 will consist of 2 days this year:
>
>- Community day on the worldwide Open Data Day
>
>- Saturday 2 March 2019 at BeCentral
>   - Mainly workshops
>   - Free of charge
>   - We'll announce this event next week
>   - Professional conference day
>- Monday 4 March 2019 at Herman Teirlinck
>   - Mainly presentations
>   - With lunch, coffee break, ... so we need to sell tickets
>   - Call for speakers open till the end of this week:
>   http://2019.openbelgium.be/speakers
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dries
>
>
> --
>
> Coordinator
> Open Knowledge Belgium 
> @OpenKnowledgeBE  - @DVRansbeeck
> 
> m: +32 474 26 56 18
>
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 21:04, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
>> I'm a bit confused about
>>
>> - Open Belgium (on March 4)
>> and
>> - We will also organize a community day during the weekend this year
>>
>> which weekend is that ? Which community (OpenBelgium or OSM or both) ?
>>
>> I was also thinking (for a OSM public) -- at least I would be interested
>> to participate in such a workshop/presentation to learn more.
>>
>> - Improve your armchair mapping with Mapillary and OpenStreetCam
>>   Explain the 2 project, techniques to use them in iD or JOSM, filter
>> images on "topic", ...
>> - Wikidata (and Wikipedia and Commons) for mappers.
>> What is Wikidata, how can you edit, how can you put data in OSM,
>> potential ideas for using a joined DB.
>>
>>
>> m.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:18 PM Jonathan Beliën  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a really awesome idea indeed !
>>> Thanks Marc !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll see if we can make that happen during OpenBelgium Community Day !
>>> \o/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan Beliën
>>> SPRL GEO-6 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De :* Santens Seppe 
>>> *Envoyé :* mercredi 9 janvier 2019 09:27
>>> *À :* OpenStreetMap Belgium 
>>> *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers +
>>> Early Bird Tickets!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cool idea, Marc!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Van:* Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com]
>>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 8 januari 2019 20:32
>>> *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
>>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for
>>> Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I cannot make it to Open Belgium, but I have been thinking about a
>>> "walking meetup" for some time now. So instead of sitting in a pub, doing a
>>> walk and talk about OSM and survey techniques and apply them.
>>>
>>> Taking that idea, on a community day, it could be a workshop about
>>> surveying techniques, JOSM tips, micromapping, that kind of stuff. It would
>>> be an hand-on workshop, where people have to go outside for 15 minutes or
>>> so and collect data. Afterwards compare techniques, collected data and do a
>>> bit of mapping. Perhaps discuss a bit about usefulness, special maps, ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> m.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 1:46 PM Ben Abelshausen <
>>> ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a few months we have Open Belgium again (yay!) and as usual we will
>>> have talks about OSM (Belgium).  We invite everyone to submit a talk,
>>> **anything** related to open-(something) is fine, that means openstreetmap
>>> too! ;-) We will also organize a community day during the weekend this
>>> year, more news about that later, so even if you can't make it on the 4th
>>> of march we urge you to submit talks/workshops anyway. We can move them to
>>> the community day later.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will probably also have a booth with OSM Belgium and usually have a
>>> lot of fun so don't miss it! If you want to attend but find the entry
>>> tickets too expense get in touch with me, the community day will be free
>>> (to be announced later).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All details here:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: *Astrid - Open Knowledge Belgium* 
>>> Date: Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:17 AM
>>> Subject: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!
>>> To: 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A must-attend conference to discuss the state of and current trends
>>> around Open Knowledge and Open Data!
>>>
>>> Open Belgium 2019 - 4 March in Brussels
>>> Open Knowledge and Open Data in Belgium
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> View this email in your browser
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's talk Open Knowledge and Open Data!
>>> Ready for Open Belgium 2019?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Belgian open 

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Alexa Traffic Rank

[Simon Poole]

Am 10.01.2019 um 12:11 schrieb Sérgio V.:
> Ah ok, thank you for both tips. Fortunately I was not phished to
> install anything from that site.
> Anyway, even if it could be an aleatory coincidence, it seems there's
> actually some decrease in editons in recent months, 
> according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats
> Active new and old contributors per
> year: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Active_contributors_year.png
> mostly about new contributors.


Nope, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/47356


> So guess the same might be fairly expected for general counting
> of site visitors.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 10.01.19 01:18, Warin wrote:
> Even if it were open .. does OSM want it?

Parcel boundaries have generally been undesirable in OSM in the past,
mostly because to a lack of on-the-ground verifiability. The advice has
always been: If there's a fence, map the fence, not the boundary. If
there's no fence, then you don't know there's a boundary.

If someone needs the boundaries they can use them them from the open
data source themselves.

That doesn't mean that people have not imported parcels of course. I
think that in a discussion on talk-us, someone once claimed that it can
be important to know for a rambler if they're on public or private land
because they're more likely to get shot on private land. Hope this is
not so much of a concern in the UK ;)

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[David Woolley]

On 10/01/2019 00:18, Warin wrote:

Even if it were open .. does OSM want it?

I don't see any specific tags for it?


landuse=residential combined with addr:*

It is something I would definitely want included if it were possible to 
capture the data.  The main reason it is rare at the moment is probably 
that it is very difficult to deduce boundary lines from aerial images 
without very detailed local knowledge or surveys, of land that is private.


And you do want to have them accurate and up to date.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[SK53]

I think in both France & Spain the cadastral information has been used
largely for mapping buildings and not land-parcels.

In places I know the French cadastral parcel data is difficult to
interpret: overlapping parcels; individual buildings as multiple parcels;
parcel boundaries not according to the location of the little yellow
boundary markers on the ground etc. I presume some of these are artefacts
of how the cadastre is maintained by each commune and subsequent
digitisation. In some cases cadastral parcels do not seem to be
consolidated, so it's impossible to actually derive real property
boundaries without some on-the-ground knowledge.

I'm pushed to think of lots of things I might do with parcel boundaries:
accurate location of urban footpaths is one, nature reserve boundaries
another (either directly or because NE data ceases to be encumbered). I
don't know how much the parcels will accord with things like field
boundaries in rural areas: I'll take a look at the LR Inspire data for S
Derbyshire to get an idea.

Jerry

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 09:07, Dan S  wrote:

> Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 00:19 schreef Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Even if it were open .. does OSM want it?
>
> Is it equivalent to the "cadastral" data that's been used in France and
> Spain?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cadastre
> Their experience could be informative, about what the data can help with
>
> > I don't see any specific tags for it?
>
>  Make tags if you need them...
>
> Dan
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Alexa Traffic Rank

[Sérgio V .]

Ah ok, thank you for both tips. Fortunately I was not phished to install 
anything from that site.
Anyway, even if it could be an aleatory coincidence, it seems there's actually 
some decrease in editons in recent months,
according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats
Active new and old contributors per year: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Active_contributors_year.png
mostly about new contributors.
So guess the same might be fairly expected for general counting of site 
visitors.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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Re: [Talk-br] Parceria OSM e ANA

[Peter Krauss]

Thierry, parabéns!  Importantíssimo ter alguém da OSM Brasil abrindo esses
canais.

Santamariense, concordo quanto aos nomes... Acho que é de fato um primeiro
passo para a ANA mostrar um mínimo de boa vontade, faz anos que pedi (mas
não insisti) uma simples planilha com nomes dos comitês de bacia... Ainda
hoje é uma zona, ninguém diz quais são os códigos (siglas) oficiais nem diz
qual lista está completa... Sugiro pedir os dados oficiais básicos sobre os
comitês de bacias,

http://datasets.ok.org.br/cbh-codes




On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 1:17 AM santamariense  wrote:

> > Podemos pensar em uma proposta de os colaboradores da plataforma nos
> auxiliarem na identificação da toponímia dos cursos d’água e massas d’água
> de nossas bases da ANA
>
> Interessante que boa parte dos cursos d'água tem diferentes nomes a
> depender da fonte (órgão governamental), e se for a campo conferir,
> principalmente nas zonas rurais, os moradores nem sabem que tem nome,
> chamando apenas de "sanga", "rio", -- Não é por acaso que até órgãos
> governamentais tem dificuldade para identificá-los e muitas vezes
> identificam determinado curso d'água com nome diferente do
> identificado por outro órgão, ou mesmo com traçado diferente,
> principalmente em ponto próximos a nascentes onde tem vários braços e
> não se sabe qual deles leva o nome.
>
> Tem alguma ideia de como poderia desenhar essa possível parceria?
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!

[Jonathan Beliën]

Sorry, I know it’s confusing ; Open Knowledge Belgium didn’t promote the 
Community Day much (yet).

So, OpenBelgium will happen on March 4 ;
On the weekend before (March 2), there will be a « Community Day » in relation 
with OpenBelgium (organized by Open Knowledge Belgium).

Community is in its « broad sense ». The idea is to organize a free « event » 
linked to OpenBelgium (for which you need to buy a ticket).
We (OpenStreetMap Belgium) will attend to both « events » (OpenBelgium + 
Community Day) and hope to see you there :)

We’ll forward more information about the Community Day as soon as Open 
Knowledge Belgium releases it !

Jonathan Beliën
SPRL GEO-6

De : Marc Gemis 
Envoyé : mercredi 9 janvier 2019 21:05
À : OpenStreetMap Belgium 
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early 
Bird Tickets!

I'm a bit confused about

- Open Belgium (on March 4)
and
- We will also organize a community day during the weekend this year

which weekend is that ? Which community (OpenBelgium or OSM or both) ?

I was also thinking (for a OSM public) -- at least I would be interested to 
participate in such a workshop/presentation to learn more.

- Improve your armchair mapping with Mapillary and OpenStreetCam
  Explain the 2 project, techniques to use them in iD or JOSM, filter images on 
"topic", ...
- Wikidata (and Wikipedia and Commons) for mappers.
What is Wikidata, how can you edit, how can you put data in OSM, potential 
ideas for using a joined DB.


m.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:18 PM Jonathan Beliën 
mailto:j...@geo6.be>> wrote:
That’s a really awesome idea indeed !
Thanks Marc !

I’ll see if we can make that happen during OpenBelgium Community Day ! \o/

Jonathan Beliën
SPRL GEO-6

De : Santens Seppe mailto:seppe.sant...@stad.gent>>
Envoyé : mercredi 9 janvier 2019 09:27
À : OpenStreetMap Belgium 
mailto:talk-be@openstreetmap.org>>
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early 
Bird Tickets!

Cool idea, Marc!

Van: Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 8 januari 2019 20:32
Aan: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early 
Bird Tickets!

I cannot make it to Open Belgium, but I have been thinking about a "walking 
meetup" for some time now. So instead of sitting in a pub, doing a walk and 
talk about OSM and survey techniques and apply them.

Taking that idea, on a community day, it could be a workshop about surveying 
techniques, JOSM tips, micromapping, that kind of stuff. It would be an hand-on 
workshop, where people have to go outside for 15 minutes or so and collect 
data. Afterwards compare techniques, collected data and do a bit of mapping. 
Perhaps discuss a bit about usefulness, special maps, ...

m.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 1:46 PM Ben Abelshausen 
mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi everyone!

In a few months we have Open Belgium again (yay!) and as usual we will have 
talks about OSM (Belgium).  We invite everyone to submit a talk, **anything** 
related to open-(something) is fine, that means openstreetmap too! ;-) We will 
also organize a community day during the weekend this year, more news about 
that later, so even if you can't make it on the 4th of march we urge you to 
submit talks/workshops anyway. We can move them to the community day later.

We will probably also have a booth with OSM Belgium and usually have a lot of 
fun so don't miss it! If you want to attend but find the entry tickets too 
expense get in touch with me, the community day will be free (to be announced 
later).

All details here:

-- Forwarded message -
From: Astrid - Open Knowledge Belgium 
mailto:ast...@openknowledge.be>>
Date: Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:17 AM
Subject: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!
To: mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>>

A must-attend conference to discuss the state of and current trends around Open 
Knowledge and Open Data!
Open Belgium 2019 - 4 March in Brussels
Open Knowledge and Open Data in Belgium


View this email in your 
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Let's talk Open Knowledge and Open Data!
Ready for Open Belgium 2019?

The Belgian open knowledge and open data landscape is changing at a fast pace. 
In order to stay up-to-date and to share insights with 300+ fellow open 
enthusiasts, we would like to invite you to join us at the annual 
community-driven Open Belgium 
2019
 conference on 4 March in Brussels.

Since you participated in previous editions of Open Belgium, you know exactly 
what to expect: inspirational 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!

[Dries Van Ransbeeck]

Yes, Open Belgium 2019 will consist of 2 days this year:

   - Community day on the worldwide Open Data Day 
   - Saturday 2 March 2019 at BeCentral
  - Mainly workshops
  - Free of charge
  - We'll announce this event next week
  - Professional conference day
   - Monday 4 March 2019 at Herman Teirlinck
  - Mainly presentations
  - With lunch, coffee break, ... so we need to sell tickets
  - Call for speakers open till the end of this week:
  http://2019.openbelgium.be/speakers

Best regards,

Dries


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On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 21:04, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> I'm a bit confused about
>
> - Open Belgium (on March 4)
> and
> - We will also organize a community day during the weekend this year
>
> which weekend is that ? Which community (OpenBelgium or OSM or both) ?
>
> I was also thinking (for a OSM public) -- at least I would be interested
> to participate in such a workshop/presentation to learn more.
>
> - Improve your armchair mapping with Mapillary and OpenStreetCam
>   Explain the 2 project, techniques to use them in iD or JOSM, filter
> images on "topic", ...
> - Wikidata (and Wikipedia and Commons) for mappers.
> What is Wikidata, how can you edit, how can you put data in OSM, potential
> ideas for using a joined DB.
>
>
> m.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:18 PM Jonathan Beliën  wrote:
>
>> That’s a really awesome idea indeed !
>> Thanks Marc !
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll see if we can make that happen during OpenBelgium Community Day ! \o/
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan Beliën
>> SPRL GEO-6 
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* Santens Seppe 
>> *Envoyé :* mercredi 9 janvier 2019 09:27
>> *À :* OpenStreetMap Belgium 
>> *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers +
>> Early Bird Tickets!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool idea, Marc!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:* Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com]
>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 8 januari 2019 20:32
>> *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers
>> + Early Bird Tickets!
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot make it to Open Belgium, but I have been thinking about a
>> "walking meetup" for some time now. So instead of sitting in a pub, doing a
>> walk and talk about OSM and survey techniques and apply them.
>>
>> Taking that idea, on a community day, it could be a workshop about
>> surveying techniques, JOSM tips, micromapping, that kind of stuff. It would
>> be an hand-on workshop, where people have to go outside for 15 minutes or
>> so and collect data. Afterwards compare techniques, collected data and do a
>> bit of mapping. Perhaps discuss a bit about usefulness, special maps, ...
>>
>>
>>
>> m.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 1:46 PM Ben Abelshausen 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> In a few months we have Open Belgium again (yay!) and as usual we will
>> have talks about OSM (Belgium).  We invite everyone to submit a talk,
>> **anything** related to open-(something) is fine, that means openstreetmap
>> too! ;-) We will also organize a community day during the weekend this
>> year, more news about that later, so even if you can't make it on the 4th
>> of march we urge you to submit talks/workshops anyway. We can move them to
>> the community day later.
>>
>>
>>
>> We will probably also have a booth with OSM Belgium and usually have a
>> lot of fun so don't miss it! If you want to attend but find the entry
>> tickets too expense get in touch with me, the community day will be free
>> (to be announced later).
>>
>>
>>
>> All details here:
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: *Astrid - Open Knowledge Belgium* 
>> Date: Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:17 AM
>> Subject: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!
>> To: 
>>
>>
>>
>> A must-attend conference to discuss the state of and current trends
>> around Open Knowledge and Open Data!
>>
>> Open Belgium 2019 - 4 March in Brussels
>> Open Knowledge and Open Data in Belgium
>>
>>
>>
>> View this email in your browser
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
>> 
>>
>>
>> Let's talk Open Knowledge and Open Data!
>> Ready for Open Belgium 2019?
>>
>>
>> The Belgian open knowledge and open data landscape is changing at a fast
>> pace. In order to stay up-to-date and to share insights with *300+
>> fellow open enthusiasts,* we would like to invite you to join us at
>> the annual *community-driven Open Belgium 2019
>> *
>> conference on *4 March in Brussels*.
>>
>> Since you participated in 

[Talk-GB] #geomob including OpenInfraMap, London 16 Jan 2019

[Jez Nicholson]

If you are in or around London next Wednesday, come to the ever-popular
#geomob -> https://geomobldn.org/post/jan-16th-2019-geomob-details

It includes on OSM element with Russ Garrett presenting OpenInfraMap.

If you haven't seen it, the power grid view of the UK is growing rapidly
https://openinframap.org/#5/54.53/-3.16

This has hooked up nicely with my efforts to locate every UK onshore wind
farm
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom

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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Mobility Stockport

[Jez Nicholson]

+1 for wiki documentation. I am making efforts to bring the United Kingdom
areas of the wiki up-to-date.

I propose an "Accessibility in the United Kingdom" page, and I will
encourage ODI Manchester to make updating it one of their project outcomes.
A common OSM-wide page would be nice, but throws up issues of gaining
worldwide consensus.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 23:56 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/01/19 07:17, Andy Townsend wrote:
> > On 09/01/2019 18:11, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> >> Seeking your input...
> >>
> > One thing that struck me when I had to start planning for getting from
> > A to B with someone on a mobility scooter or in a wheelchair was that
> > the "obvious" things (kerbs etc.) weren't the biggest issue - it was
> > things like the exact location of the shopmobility office (which level
> > of the car park and exactly where on that level?) and gates that
> > weren't mobility-scooter accessible not because they weren't wide
> > enough but because the angle you'd have to turn through was impossible
> > (I've still no idea how to map that).
>
> Umm I'd try 'wheelchair=no' on the way. Presumably a wheel chair would
> have similar difficulty there.
> >
> > I'd actually start by asking potential users in Stockport "so what do
> > you want to see on a map?".  I bet a whole pile of requests will come
> > in that aren't covered by any OSM map.
> >
> > With regard to "what shows this"
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair#Rendering (which
> > you've probably already looked at) has a couple of suggestions.  I'm
> > sure that there are others though, even features of non-"accessibility
> > sprecific" renderings such as the "shopmobility parsing" that I added
> > to
> >
> https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=20=53.4955228=-2.514984
> > when I found it personally useful.
>
> I am thinking about making a new wiki page for mappers on tags available
> for disability/accessibility things. Presently there is no common page
> for them, something similar to;
>
> the format of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway
>
> and tagging on
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Handicaps/R%C3%A9f%C3%A9rentiel
>
> Yet to get off my bum and do some more research on it, the above will
> give me some more to do, thanks.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Alexa Traffic Rank

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Jan 9, 2019, 9:47 PM by svo...@hotmail.com:

> According to > "> Alexa Traffic Rank": 
> "The rank [of > openstreetmap.org] > declined 517 positions versus the 
> previous 3 months".
>
Alexa rank is in large part measuring how many visitors of a given website were 
fooled into installing
Alexa Toolbar spyware.
Also, such fluctuation are useless without knowing how fragile the counter is - 
like
city celebrating burglary rate lowered by 10% without noticing that it is 
increasing/decreasing
randomly by this amount year to year anyway.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Dan S]

Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 00:19 schreef Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>
> Even if it were open .. does OSM want it?

Is it equivalent to the "cadastral" data that's been used in France and Spain?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cadastre
Their experience could be informative, about what the data can help with

> I don't see any specific tags for it?

 Make tags if you need them...

Dan

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[talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 440

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 440 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/11223

* 4 roky WeeklyOSM CZ!
* HDPI dlaždice pro SK.
* Mapa vánočních trhů.
* Mini granty v Africe.
* Mapující imigranti v Německu.
* Novinky v OpenStreetBrowser.
* API pro nadmořskou výšku.
* Novinky v editoru Vespucci.
* Problémy slepých ulic.
* Slack a sankce USA.
* Špioni a Google.

Pěkné počtení ...

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Mise à jour du rendu "hydro"

[Antoine Riche]

Superbe !

Il semble y avoir un problème d'encodage sur les noms, par exemple 
"rivière de germaine" ici : 
https://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=14=49.76143=3.03909=00B00FT


Antoine.

Le 10/01/2019 à 09:28, Christian Quest a écrit :
J'ai mis à jour hier soir les données de la couche "Hydro" qui 
combinent la BD Carthage (un peu ancienne maintenant) et la couche 
hydro de la BD Topo (en licence ouverte depuis déjà quelque temps).


Infos ici: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Serveurs/tile.openstreetmap.fr#Hydro


Vue directe: 
https://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=16=48.81578=2.40922=00B00FT


En bleu: source BD Carthage
En Mauve: source BD Topo Hydro (octobre 2018)

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Re: [talk-cz] Pomoc s editací - Blažejský rybník

[Michal Poupa]

už se to začíná dávat do normálu jak se to postupně renderuje.

 Díky

st 9. 1. 2019 v 20:53 odesílatel xkomc...@centrum.cz
 napsal:
>
> Teď vede po silnici, pěšině a cestě. Odpovídá to na první pohled i
> satelitním snímkům.
>
> On 09. 01. 19 19:25, Majka wrote:
> > Ještě k těm změnám:
> > Ta naučná stezka je cesta (track) nebo pěšina (path)?
> > Zůstává tam teď pěšina, protože ta cesta z relace zmizela.
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[OSM-talk-fr] Mise à jour du rendu "hydro"

[Christian Quest]

J'ai mis à jour hier soir les données de la couche "Hydro" qui combinent la
BD Carthage (un peu ancienne maintenant) et la couche hydro de la BD Topo
(en licence ouverte depuis déjà quelque temps).

Infos ici:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Serveurs/tile.openstreetmap.fr#Hydro

Vue directe:
https://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=16=48.81578=2.40922=00B00FT

En bleu: source BD Carthage
En Mauve: source BD Topo Hydro (octobre 2018)

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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] [Talk-it-cai] Sedi SAT

[Alfredo Gattai]

Ma si, mettiamoci sat

Il giorno Mar 8 Gen 2019, 03:32 Luca Delucchi  ha
scritto:

> Ciao a tutti,
>
> visto l'altro thread sulle sedi CAI, per quelle SAT come operator cosa
> usiamo?
> Società degli Alpinisti Tridentini o Club Alpino Italiano ?
>
> Io propenderei più per il primo
>
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> Luca
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