Re: [Talk-bd] Discussion: Issues with name localization for Bangladesh
Dear Frederik, Thank you for your email. Here is the response to your questions. I am a long term contributor to be Bengali Wikipedia and founding member of Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter. I am the Bangladesh lead of Creative Commons. I am also involved in a number of open source projects by contributing code, content, documentations and more. 1. English is not being used for day to day conversations in Bangladesh. But people use to use different English words in conversations. On the other hand internet users have a minimum misunderstanding on English you can get an idea from the top sites from Alexa [1]. Apart from the news sites most of them are English websites, though many of them have Bengali version and/or localization options. For me it is better to write changeset in English. Most of the time changesets are checked by the contributors and not my by the mass users. Sometimes the contributors are from across the world and if each contributor describe changes in their own language then do you think it would be possible to understand each other or it would be helpful for collaboration? By law business signboards should be written in Bengali. But only a limited number of business are doing so. Recent time Bengali and English are being displayed side by side. For street signs Bengali and English are used in almost all cases. As you live outside Bangladesh you can check Mapillary [2] or Google Street View to check the real scenario. By the way i saw Bengali text are not being rendered properly in the Mapillary website. I believe the skill of communicating in English of the people of age 50+ are same across the world. You mentioned about Germany, it is same here in Bangladesh as well. 2. This topic is not relevant with this thread, i think we can discuss this on a separate thread. 3. I agree with Tasauf bhai and i think he describes the general practices properly. Please do understand that the topic we are discussing here is to establish a common standard for now. It is not about establishing or against any individual or opinion nor it is a lifetime decision. As a community we can change when necessary. I am proposing to use English in `name` and `name:bn` and `name:en` should be added separately. Because i found it would be much more helpful for the users and contributors as well. There are a number of use cases of the OSM and we should go to the direction where most of the cases can be covered. I can write everything in Bengali and i have to think what percentage of user will get benefited by doing so! For example i use Mapillary and OpenStreetCam [3] to see the street level images. None of these can render the Bengali text. So me or other community member can communicate with these organizations and request them to fix the tool or we can build a new tool. Both of these need time so what could be done now? stop using these services or what else? Any one can say that OSM based tools can be fixed easily. But till today it has not been fixed i gave an example above and there are more, so it is not that easy too (might be a issue of technology or initiative). So we should push the tool developers to make it compatible for Bengali and also contribute to fix those too. But now it is not the right time to do everything in Bengali. regards Nasir Khan [1] - https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/BD [2] - https://www.mapillary.com [3] - https://openstreetcam.org -- *Nasir Khan Saikat* www.nasirkhn.com On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 09:53, Tasauf A Baki Billah wrote: > Dear Frederik, > > Hope this finds you well. Great to hear from you! > > I'm Tasauf aka Ribin from OSM Bangladesh community. You might remember me > having a discusion with you about data quality, possible vandalism & your > advice on that at Heidelberg during SotM. However, I have been involved > with OSM in Bangladesh since 2014 & now leading the community's > coordination groups. I'm also a board member of HOT. > > Just to clear up you queries one by one: > > 1. Most of the people in Bangladesh using internet/map understands the > names written in English as English is the second language used from the > primary education system. Though in case of writing they preffer to write > it as Bangla on Roman script as using bangla keyboard is not yet much > popular for the general population. > > The population under 50 mostly using internet considering both high & > avarage educated people do understands & can communicate in basic English > while in written but while speaking Bangla is the native. But also have to > keep in mind a good bit of english word stock is found on the > conversations. People over 50 unless educated are not that much of popular > user of internet/ maps. We are still on a verge to institutionalize Bangla > in our official use but not even at the half of the way. > > Personally I would love to see Bangla everywhere but
Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map
Thanks for the response. The point i want to mention that, we should improve the Icons for different type for establishments. For example "University Building" it uses the "Home" icon, but i think it should be different because building could be administration or hostel. This is an example but there are other similar cases. -- *Nasir Khan Saikat* www.nasirkhn.com On 3 November 2015 at 03:14, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 02/11/2015 16:53, Nasir Khan wrote: > > ... > > One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way to > improve the icon set to make the map more attractive. > > > (apologies if I'm stating the obvious here, but...) > > "OpenStreetMap" isn't just "the standard map that you see at > openstreetmap.org". There are five different tile layers available from > the layer switcher there, designed for different purposes. Elsewhere, > there are other styles. For example, > > > https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=project+extension%3Amml=Code=searchresults > > currently finds > 700, and no doubt there are lots of others elsewhere. > Depending on what data you're showing, I'd expect that a different map > style would make sense. Just today I was using a commercial application > that showed locations using "MQ Open" tiles (they wanted a road-atlassy > thing I guess); something that wanted to show location in a mountainous > area I'd would expect show contours or hillshading. OpenStreetMap's > "standard" style has as one of its goals feedback to mappers, so it > includes more detail (for example of different sorts of shops) than I'd > expect most general purpose maps to want to show. > > It's very possible (and not terribly difficult) to come up with a map > style that highlights the data that you want - making it then look nice is > the tricky bit, as to me would be figuring out how to host and serve the > data to allcomers (though as Wikimedia I suspect you've solved that last > bit). > > Cheers, > > Andy (SomeoneElse) > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map
Hi, I am a big fan of Open Street Map. I used this for may of my web application projects. One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way to improve the icon set to make the map more attractive. I really feel that we all should look at this issue and make a plan to improve this user experience. If you compare the OSM with the Google map icons, then you can say that the Google Map is way more ahead that the OSM. I am not sure if it is right forum to discuss this issue. Please help me if i posted in the wrong mailing list. Any one can tell me if it is already in the roadmap or not? If it is not, then i think we can start the discussion right away. We can team up with some other platforms like The Noun Project ( https://thenounproject.com/) or some one else or do something else. thanks Nasir Khan -- *Nasir Khan Saikat* www.nasirkhn.com ​Public Lead, Creative Commons Bangladesh Founding Member Wikimedia Bangladesh​ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Introduction
Sorry for cross posting. Dear All, My name is Nasir Khan Saikat, I am form Bangladesh. I have to use the OSM a lot and in different ways. I am contributor of Wikipedia, OSM is implemented there. At the same time i am a software developer and a number of my applications are using this open street map. I am working with the Directorate General of Health Services of Bangladesh and right now i am working on several projects which are based on geo server, open street map, open layer, leaflet js and so on. My direct contribution to the main Open Steet Map is not that much. But by working on these projects i had to collect a huge amount of data and there is options to push this data to the OSM. And withing one month i am going to start a new project based on Wikipedia. On that project we will collect photograph, geo location and related information of all the historical places of Bangladesh. I am writing here because i want to meet the OSM community of Bangladesh. I might need some assistance regarding this projects and you can suggest me a better way to complete these projects. At the same i want to is there any other ongoing projects running in Bangladesh, I would love to join those project and assist the others as much as i can. *-- **Nasir Khan Saikat* http://profiles.google.com/nasir8891 www.nasirkhn.com Administrator Bengali Wikipedia Founding Member Wikimedia Bangladesh http://bd.wikimedia.org Assistant Secretory Bangladesh Open Source Network http://bdosn.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
