Re: [talk-ph] Mapping Orani Bataan

[Mike Collinson]

At 09:28 AM 2/01/2010, Jing Iya wrote:
>Narcky and I are planning to map the whole of Orani, Bataan. 
...

>Wish me luck guys. 


Sounds great. More good luck from me!

And a Happy New Year to all,
Mike




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[talk-ph] Fwd: Re: Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

[Mike Collinson]

CC'ing the following in case Maning out of computer access. Mikel is talking to 
Ushahidi now I believe (www.ushahidi.com/ ). Mikel has a lot of experience in 
this area and part of HOT.

May I also suggest that whoever has access to the osm-ph admin interface (I 
don't), sets automatic acceptance to Mikel's email address so that he can cc 
the list without subscribing.

My wife and I express our concern for everyone affected and their families.  
One aspect of the initiative that Maning suggests would be the ability for OFWs 
around the world to find out more about what is happening in their immediate 
home area - if a resource gets up and running, I'll be able to information 
about it to Philippine embassies quickly.

Mike


>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mikel Maron 
>Subject: Re: Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in 
>Metro  Manila
>To: maning sambale 
>Cc: Mike Collinson ,
>Andrew Turner 
>
>
>Are you on Skype/IM?
>
>Skype: mikelmaron
>gtalk: mikel.maron
>
>
>
>1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's in the US? 
>What sort of access do you need? 
>Do you have a domain?
>
>2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data?
>
>I'd suggest starting a catalog on the wiki, a subpage to the Philippines 
>project page, or subpage to the HOT page
>
>We'd then look to pull those data sources together somehow .. perhaps through 
>just an OpenLayers instance, or through GeoCommons (andrew turner cc'd)
>
>3) For data collection applications, OpenStreetBugs could be stood up .. but 
>is there widely available net access right now?
>
>Would an SMS based application be a better fit for the situation? We'd only 
>need a PH mobile phone set up to FrontlineSMS over there, and we could set up 
>Ushahidi anywhere
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message 
>From: maning sambale 
>To: Mikel Maron 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59:04 PM
>Subject: Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro  
>Manila
>
>mikel,
>
>Can the Humanitarian OSM Team, help us?
>
>cheers,
>maning
>
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>From: maning sambale 
>Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM
>Subject: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
>To: osm-ph , osm-talk 
>
>Hi,
>
>In case people in the international community didn't know, the
>Philippines (capital and surrounding provinces) were badly hit by
>tropical cylcone ondoy/kestana the past week [1].
>
>My family was affected as well, but we are OK now.
>
>Current efforts are now towards search, rescue and relief.  As a
>mapping community I feel we need to do something and contribute.  We
>need to document whatever information we can compile so that
>volunteers, relief workers, and government agencies can respond to the
>needs.
>
>The recovery efforts may take a few more weeks and we need to sustain
>activities to restore vital public utilities to affected areas.  Some
>members of the OSM-PH has started creating webmap based on OSM to
>document what is currently happening on the ground [2].
>
>I appeal to the whole OSM community to help us in this project.  What
>we currently need are:
>1. A temporary server space we can use.
>
>2. Create mashups on related information about the disaster (osm data
>for Metro Manila and adjacent provinces is good enough as a map
>background), news feeds, location of evacuation sites, missing persons
>list.
>
>3. An interface in which users can report what is happening on the
>ground, (I'm thinking of an openstreetbug interface)
> i.e. This street in unpassable due to floods. This street needs
>water.  This street has no electricity.  Too much garbage on this
>street please collect now.
> This way communities can report problems and hopefully close "bugs".
>
>I lack the technical skills to do this but I am willing to coordinate
>efforts in some areas and collect field data around my mapping area.
>Please help us do this project.  The hope is the information we gather
>and synthesize would be helpful.
>We do not need anything sophisticated at the moment we just need
>something running ASAP.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Ketsana_%282009%29
>[2] http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/42152
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Re: [talk-ph] Province place nodes

[Mike Collinson]

"state" is the Map Features tag value for states, provinces and roughly 
synonomous high-level national subdivisions.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dstate

FYI, editing them is real easy with XAPI. The following is a bounding box for 
the Philippines. It will download a file that you can open and edit in JOSM. 
You can then  upload changes directly from JOSM. Just bear in mind that these 
are not downloads from the live server but should normally be no more than 10 
minutes older.


http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.6/node[place=state][bbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056]
 (just worked for me)

or 

http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/node[place=state][bbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056]
 (seems to be offline)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/XAPI

Mike

At 06:41 AM 14/09/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

>On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM, maning sambale 
><emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why place=state?
>
>
>That's what the existing node have so I simply copied the "convention".
>
>I checked Canada (since they have provinces and territories instead of states) 
>and found out their nodes also use place=state. For example Saskatchewan: 
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/305700698
>
>Of course, it doesn't help that Mike also imported those nodes. :-p
>
>So, i'm not sure if we should change place=state to place=province. Take note 
>that we also had an old discussion regarding whether to use place=village for 
>barangays. Then again, the place=city,town,suburb,hamlet,village values are 
>for settlements, not large administrative subdivisions.
>
>Any thoughts?
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[talk-ph] Map of OSM mailing list posts

[Mike Collinson]

The Philippines is one of the most active OSM mailing lists worldwide!

http://www.opengeodata.org/ (August 20th, 2009 blog entry)

Mike



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Re: [talk-ph] bulk editing address info in POIs

[Mike Collinson]

gs both overlap each 
>other in function. We should stick to one. The Karlsruhe schema 
>(<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
> ) is silent on this but the Key:addr page 
>(<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr)
> actually suggests to use is_in:*. I favor using is_in
>
>
>Eugene / seav
>
>
>On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Mike Collinson 
><<mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz>m...@ayeltd.biz> wrote:
>At 03:55 PM 13/08/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>>Here's my two cents regarding this:
>>
>>I don't favor using addr:city, addr:village, is_in to specify where a POI is. 
>>Here are the cons:
>>
>>1. Duplication of info with admin borders (and potential mismatch issues)
>>2. Increased data size with respect to tags (which makes planet dumps larger)
>>
>>On the other hand, here are the pros:
>>
>>1. POIs are easier to filter by place than the alternative which is to do 
>>bounding polygon calculation, which is more computationally intensive. This 
>>calculation can be mitigated somewhat by doing pre-processing of the data 
>>just before the data will be used (e.g., as an additional step to making 
>>Garmin maps.)
>>2. Identifies where a POI is in the (hopefully temporary) lack of boundary 
>>data.
>>
>>Regardless, addr:street is essential since this is very hard to infer from 
>>the data without it.
>>
>>
>>Anybody else have other thoughts?
>
>In my own mapping and having an interest in preparing OSM data for first 
>generation gazeteer and search software, I generally go for "the more the 
>better" broadly for the reasons Eugene outlines.  Redundancy is heresy in 
>database programming courses but I think there is an assumption that data is 
>put in under strict rules and in a  controlled environment. For us, I think 
>redundancy (partial duplication but from different sources and methodologies) 
>is actually a good thing ... latter pruning is not impossible.  Perhaps in two 
>or three years time, boundary data and the software to easily process it will 
>be highly available but for now, I say leave 'em in!
>
>Size of planet dumps. Yes, a concern, especially when you are trying to do a 
>dial-up download, something the Europeans forget.  But POIs may number 
>thousands in an area but the ways in the same area may have hundreds of 
>thousands of nodes, especially if over-digitised. Taking into account all the 
>XML tagging wrapping a node, the size of a POI is not that much bigger than a  
>raw lat,lon node.  The size of planet dumps is going to get too big anyway, I 
>kind of see value in forcing the issue sooner not later.
>
>I have, by the way, now switched to using explicitly identified is_in:* tags 
>using the place= values where possible and user defined value where it gives 
>some local benefit.
>
>is_in:country, is_in:state, is_in:city,  is_in:town ...
>is_in:island, is_in:sea
>is_in:valley, is_in:barangay, ...
>
>I am interested to see whether we can collect enough points to generate 
>reasonable boundaries from points rather than the other way around.
>
>Just my thoughts!
>
>Mike
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Re: [talk-ph] bulk editing address info in POIs

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At 03:55 PM 13/08/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>Here's my two cents regarding this:
>
>I don't favor using addr:city, addr:village, is_in to specify where a POI is. 
>Here are the cons:
>
>1. Duplication of info with admin borders (and potential mismatch issues)
>2. Increased data size with respect to tags (which makes planet dumps larger)
>
>On the other hand, here are the pros:
>
>1. POIs are easier to filter by place than the alternative which is to do 
>bounding polygon calculation, which is more computationally intensive. This 
>calculation can be mitigated somewhat by doing pre-processing of the data just 
>before the data will be used (e.g., as an additional step to making Garmin 
>maps.)
>2. Identifies where a POI is in the (hopefully temporary) lack of boundary 
>data.
>
>Regardless, addr:street is essential since this is very hard to infer from the 
>data without it.
>
>
>Anybody else have other thoughts?

In my own mapping and having an interest in preparing OSM data for first 
generation gazeteer and search software, I generally go for "the more the 
better" broadly for the reasons Eugene outlines.  Redundancy is heresy in 
database programming courses but I think there is an assumption that data is 
put in under strict rules and in a  controlled environment. For us, I think 
redundancy (partial duplication but from different sources and methodologies) 
is actually a good thing ... latter pruning is not impossible.  Perhaps in two 
or three years time, boundary data and the software to easily process it will 
be highly available but for now, I say leave 'em in!

Size of planet dumps. Yes, a concern, especially when you are trying to do a 
dial-up download, something the Europeans forget.  But POIs may number 
thousands in an area but the ways in the same area may have hundreds of 
thousands of nodes, especially if over-digitised. Taking into account all the 
XML tagging wrapping a node, the size of a POI is not that much bigger than a  
raw lat,lon node.  The size of planet dumps is going to get too big anyway, I 
kind of see value in forcing the issue sooner not later.

I have, by the way, now switched to using explicitly identified is_in:* tags 
using the place= values where possible and user defined value where it gives 
some local benefit.

is_in:country, is_in:state, is_in:city,  is_in:town ...
is_in:island, is_in:sea
is_in:valley, is_in:barangay, ...

I am interested to see whether we can collect enough points to generate 
reasonable boundaries from points rather than the other way around.

Just my thoughts!

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Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph stats (20090729)

[Mike Collinson]

At 02:06 AM 7/08/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>3. Local contributors have overtaken Mike Collinson's contributions.
>Hehehe.  I think Mike would love that to happen.  Although 95% of
>total ways and nodes are from the top 20 contributors. I think 80-20
>would be ideal. 

Yeah!  No worries here!  

The progress in the Metro Manila map is just amazing, I sneak a peak at it 
every now and again.

And thanks to Maning for some interesting stats.

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Re: [talk-ph] Draft "MoA" between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

[Mike Collinson]

The dilemma for for us at the main OSM Foundation is that by setting up local 
chapters, our main reliable source of funding, the annual subscriptions that 
members pay, may no longer come in directly.  Much of that money is spent on 
computer hardware to keep our sites up, and a proportion on promoting OSM 
globally and a proportion on legal and other costs.  These subscriptions are 
GBP 15 annually ... so the figure of GBP 10 is essentially saying that the 
local chapter should keep 1/3 for local costs and promotion.

In a European and North American context, that is not an unreasonable figure 
for most countries.  For example, I am a member of a small town cycle club with 
no great costs and the annual membership is GBP 18.   

However, elsewhere, I concur with Eugene that it will be too much.  It will be 
a deterrent to recruiting members and be a large an inclusive organisation.  I 
am sure it is no coincidence that the Philippines has an active and 
increasingly large community but no OSMF members at all.

I suspect the solution is for you to simply negotiate a lower rate, but any 
other ideas are welcome.

What would be a big win for all of us is to be collectively much bigger than we 
are now but still have a income to grow with. Nick has suggested 13,000, i.e. 
around 10% of folks who register an OSM account.  That would certainly make us 
much more representative than our membership today of 160!

Mike


At 04:08 PM 6/08/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>I think I mentioned this before but I disagree with the fee. In the draft 
>agreement, the idea is to pay £10 for each member of the local chapter! I 
>think this is too much.
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM, maning sambale 
><emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I added our plans to form an OSM-PH org here:
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters
>
>I also requested/nominated Entrhopia to take on the interim Sec/Treas
>position at the moment.
>
>Another thing we should look into:
>"Local Chapters would pay the Foundation a fee based on the number of
>members (£10 is currently proposed)."
>
>
>On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo
>Ltd.<r...@develo.ltd.uk> wrote:
>> Sorry I missed this.
>> Yes, I still volunteer, and I'm going to the Phils in 3 weeks anyway, so if
>> it will happen between 3 and 7 weeks from now, perfect!
>> Ronny.
>>
>>
>> Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>>
>> Ronny volunteered to be one of the incorporators before:
>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-May/000901.html
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner 
>> <an...@enthropia.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> no responses yet, need 1 more, 4 cannot make a company, need 5
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] request for flickr map to use OSM in Manila and Davao

[Mike Collinson]

Excellent.  The guy who put together the code that flips from Yahoo map tiles 
to OSM ones for certain parts of the world gave a talk at SOTM 2009. They host 
the tiles themselves and do not update them often.  Since Flickr is partly or 
wholly owned by Yahoo, he admitted that they were not exactly in a hurry to 
convert to OSM, so it will be nice if they use Manila. We do have a great map 
now.

He said that they first did it to get out of an embarassment in time for the 
Beijing Olympics. Their map of Beijing had two roads and the name Beijing, and 
that was about it.  They have now extended to 16 cities as I recall, including 
Sydney.

Mike


At 04:38 AM 29/07/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I use flickr.com all the time (maybe I should get a pro account).
>They have this cool feature to geocode pix within yahoomaps.  But the
>yahoo! streetmap is not very good here.
>
>So I sent a message to flickr's senior engineer (summary below, orig
>message was more polite):
>
>"Yahoo! streetmap not good in the Philipines, OSM wy better!
>Please use OSM data"
>
>They said they will look into next week.  Hope they do it since they
>are doing it in other cities anyway.
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Re: [talk-ph] poi density images

[Mike Collinson]

Nice! How did you make them?

Mike

At 05:43 AM 30/07/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Just playing around with map visualizations:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/tags/poidensity/show/
>
>Images showing density of POIs.
>POI categories (from cloudmade) are:
>automotive: fuel, parking, etc.
>eating and drinking: restaurants, cafe, etc.
>government and public service: church, school, etc.
>health: hospital, clinic
>leisure: parks, atractions, etc.
>lodging: hotels
>night life and business: bank, atm
>sports:
>tourism:
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Draft "MoA" between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

[Mike Collinson]

I was present at an informal Local Chapters meeting in Amsterdam during SOTM 
with mostly German, Spanish and Italian community members. Eugene already 
outlines the many of the main points raised.  In addition I'd emphasize:

- It is expensive in to form a legal non-profit (not just in the Philippines!). 
 It was suggested that the agreement be relaxed either to say that the intent 
be non-profit event if registered as an ordinary company or just to say that if 
must be in line with the aims of the Foundation.

- If members are not automatically OSMF members, this means that an existing 
organisation can be used and essentially a Special Interest Group is formed. 
That needs some care, as an example using Linux Users Group may seem ideal but 
might turn off some mappers who are not into Linux or open software.

These requests have been broadly accepted and all seem positive for you guys as 
it gives more options and may save money. I hope Nick Black, who is leading the 
initiative for the Foundation, is keeping in touch with Maning?

My own personal opinion, BTW, is that having a formal organisation rather then 
just meeting for great mapping parties :-)  is not of great value to individual 
mappers, BUT is very useful when asking organisations to donate data and 
moderately so for generating publicity statements for tv and newspapers ... so 
I kinda hope you do!

Mike



At 07:47 PM 18/07/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>Anyway, the German community has given some critical feedback to the draft 
>agreement. The thread at the talk-de mailing list starts here: 
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-July/049445.html
>
>In particular, they are against the reverting of assets to OSM-F when the 
>relationship is terminated even if the local chapter had paid for those assets 
>before the agreement (e.g., the openstreetmap.de 
>domain). They are also against the consideration that local chapter members 
>are automatically OSM-F members as well and that the local chapter has to pay 
>the OSM-F membership fees.
>
>
>On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:08 AM, maning sambale 
><emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>If I remember it right, Enthropia commited to help us in setting-up a
>local chapter.  I believe Andre even posted a short survey to list
>members of what are their views on formalizing OSM-PH.
>
>Most people who answered are in favor of the formalization.  Totor has
>some reservations for a possible admin/management overhead of a formal
>org.
>
>We want it done but somebody has to do it. :)
>
>@ Andre, can you give us some update on Enthropia's previous offer?
>Sayang yung opportunity.
>
>
>On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Marloue 
>Pidor<mur...@mail2engineer.com> wrote:
>> This is nice, you have me on this.
>>
>> murlwe
>> <-Original Message->
>>>From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com]
>>>Sent: 7/18/2009 6:54:52 PM
>>>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Draft "MoA" between the OSM-F and any possible
>>>localchapter
>>>
>>>Hi guys,
>>>
>>>I came across this draft agreement between a local organization wanting to
>>>officially represent the OSM-F in a local jurisdiction and the OSM-F:
>>>http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgdmw5gt_7gtj36hhh
>>>
>>>What do you guys think?
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Eugene / seav
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Davao Mapping Party report

[Mike Collinson]

At 05:03 PM 6/07/2009, Marloue Pidor wrote:

>We're on the process of incorporating the PIOs into OSM. It a success next 
>stop is Island Garden City of Samal (Samal Island) the resort island of Davao 
>del Norte. Well, it is just a plan :)

Congrats.

Next stop a resort island?  Its tough but someone has to do it!  :-)  

OSM rule number 1: Have Fun.

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Re: [talk-ph] RFC: additional tags for amenity=banks

[Mike Collinson]

I think that sounds excellent.  The tagging scheme is applicable globally and 
to not just banks but any retail activity.

Mike

At 03:37 AM 29/06/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I would like to propose the following additional tags for bank POIs:
>
>amenity=bank
>name=Bank of the Philippines Islands
>short_name=BPI
>branch=Katipunan
>
>If its OK with the group, I can do a bulk edit adding the short_name
>for several banks like BPI, BDO, etc.
>
>Disclosure:  I want to declutter bank names in my Garmin GPS map to
>something like "BPI (Katipunan)" instead of the usual name.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs

[Mike Collinson]

Interesting, when I went through the genuine tag values, the only ones I would 
not use as a matter of course in Sweden where these:

shop:pasalubong1 (though shop:souvenir might substitute)
shop:vulcanizing1
shop:wet market1
amenity:vegetable market1
amenity:tricycle_station2
amenity:ice plant1
amenity:Brgy Pag-asa Hall1

(though some of the amenity= I would tag as shop=)

Mike


At 04:09 AM 19/06/2009, ian lopez wrote:
>you missed out one: shop=luxury_goods ( 
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/420221231 and 
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1560039 )
>
>--- On Fri, 6/19/09, maning sambale  wrote:
>
>From: maning sambale 
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
>To: "osm-ph" 
>Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 7:16 AM
>
>Here are some POI tags we have for the Phil amenity and shop
>
>shop:mall105
>shop:convenience104
>shop:supermarket87
>shop:bakery39
>shop:car33
>shop:hardware20
>shop:car_repair18
>shop:car_dealer17
>shop:bicycle16
>shop:department_store8
>shop:doityourself8
>shop:books6
>shop:outdoor6
>shop:beverages5
>shop:computer4
>shop:garden3
>shop:home_furnishing3
>shop:electronics3
>shop:florist3
>shop:airline_office3
>shop:repair_service3
>shop:butcher3
>shop:laundry2
>shop:uknown2
>shop:unknown2
>shop:stationery2
>shop:scuba2
>shop:antiques1
>shop:photo1
>shop:pasalubong1
>shop:tailor1
>shop:vulcanizing1
>shop:wet market1
>shop:wine1
>shop:printing1
>shop:public_building1
>shop:public_market1
>shop:shopping_centre1
>shop:SM1
>shop:Parco Supermarket1
>shop:antique1
>shop:Shoe_store1
>shop:Evergotesco mall1
>shop:Car Mechanics1
>shop:Mall1
>shop:L'Air Boutique & Guesthouse1
>shop:office supplies1
>shop:lumber1
>shop:general1
>shop:mobile_phone1
>shop:marketplace1
>shop:business_services1
>shop:auto repair1
>shop:garden_centre1
>shop:elctronics1
>
>amenity:fuel1159
>amenity:school958
>amenity:place_of_worship771
>amenity:bank565
>amenity:public_building499
>amenity:restaurant449
>amenity:fast_food333
>amenity:hospital272
>amenity:parking241
>amenity:police175
>amenity:college117
>amenity:pharmacy116
>amenity:fire_station96
>amenity:bus_station81
>amenity:university70
>amenity:public_market59
>amenity:cafe51
>amenity:atm44
>amenity:pub42
>amenity:post_office27
>amenity:townhall22
>amenity:bureau_de_change17
>amenity:cinema17
>amenity:library12
>amenity:toilets11
>amenity:rescue10
>amenity:kindergarten9
>amenity:clinic8
>amenity:market7
>amenity:town_hall6
>amenity:prison5
>amenity:arts_centre5
>amenity:embassy5
>amenity:car_rental5
>amenity:studio5
>amenity:doctors5
>amenity:ferry_terminal4
>amenity:theatre4
>amenity:thetre4
>amenity:bicycle_parking4
>amenity:funeral_services4
>amenity:telephone4
>amenity:airline_office4
>amenity:grave_yard3
>amenity:preschool3
>amenity:fountain3
>amenity:Subdivision3
>amenity:biergarten3
>amenity:veterinary3
>amenity:nightclub2
>amenity:public building2
>amenity:tricycle_station2
>amenity:subdivision2
>amenity:swimming_pool2
>amenity:coffee_shop2
>amenity:bar2
>amenity:courthouse2
>amenity:dentist2
>amenity:bench2
>amenity:CheckPoint2
>amenity:Graveyard2
>amenity:Place of Worship1
>amenity:resort1
>amenity:v junction lhs1
>amenity:vegetable market1
>amenity:wrecker_service1
>amenity:retail1
>amenity:slaughterhouse1
>amenity:undefined1
>amenity:Petron Station1
>amenity:Municipal Building1
>amenity:Building1
>amenity:bank;atm1
>amenity:apartment1
>amenity:Residential Condo Units1
>amenity:Police station1
>amenity:Brgy Pag-asa Hall1
>amenity:Bar and Entertainment1
>amenity:Bakery1
>amenity:Metrobank Angono1
>amenity:Memorial Park1
>amenity:Lopez park1
>amenity:Cemetery1
>amenity:marketplace1
>amenity:lake1
>amenity:internet1
>amenity:drinking_water1
>amenity:post_box1
>amenity:pool1
>amenity:police station1
>amenity:petron Station1
>amenity:convenience_store1
>amenity:car_wash1
>amenity:beauty parlor1
>amenity:ice plant1
>amenity:hair salon1
>amenity:funeral1
>amenity:event_venue1
>
>
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Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops

[Mike Collinson]

At 08:46 AM 17/06/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Just curious is this just a pinoy thing (vulcanizing)? Or we havesimilar shops 
>like this in other countries. 

A Pinoy thing!  ... I must admit when I first came to the Philippines I had to 
ask what it meant though I now understand it is the proper technical term. It 
is a fantastic name, I somehow expect to meet the god Vulcan every time I pass 
one. 

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Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops

[Mike Collinson]

shop=vulcanizing

+1

The shop tag is for any retail product or service. When we were debating its 
format, it seemed while there is a smallish set of natural core values like 
shop=supermarket,  the larger set has to be tailored to individual countries' 
needs and cultures. 

Mike

At 07:19 AM 17/06/2009, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote:
>As OSM originated in the UK, they would write "tyre" rather than "tire" so 
>it's hard to say which one to use. I think, to avoid confusion and because 
>it's more accurate shop=vulcanizing is a good tag for a vulcanizing shop :)
>Ronny.
>
>Nacario Neil wrote: 
>>
>>shop=vulcanizing
>>
>>or
>>
>>shop=tire
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- Original Message 
>>From: George Tujan 
>>To: maning sambale 
>>
>>Cc: osm-ph 
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:14:18 AM
>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops
>>
>>why not just use
>>amenity=vulcanizing?
>>
>>btw, what should be the attributes/tag for government offices?
>>can we just set a generic tag (that will show up on the map) for POIs
>>marked that will be updated/identified later?
>>
>>On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, maning
>>sambale wrote:
>>  
>>>
>>>amenity=tire?
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] adding place reference to a POI

[Mike Collinson]

At 10:43 AM 21/05/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Some GPS/data contributor (not osm contributor), suggested I add place
>reference to POI like in the name tag Jollibee (Morato) or
>Jollibee-Morato something.  Adding this should allow referencing of
>POI names in GPS units.  However, we have an is_in tag in OSM.
>
>I feel it's the gps map compiler (mkgmap) who should do the work for
>this.  Any ideas?

I agree.  Me, I strictly name stores according to what the store itself says in 
its sign.  It should not be difficult to write code to look at the is_in tag or 
addr:street tag and add it to the name.

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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14

[Mike Collinson]

Yes, do apply for two slots, I've already been bending Mikel Maron's ear about 
that!

Maning asked a question in another email I can't find about an offer of a hotel 
room: The travel scholarships should stretch to both airfare and hotel.  
Otherwise, currently I am about to book a single room, but if needed I'll try 
and change - no cost offer still open.

Mike

At 11:20 AM 7/05/2009, maning sambale wrote:

>Oo nga no?  Why not apply for two slots.  I nominate Eugene Villar 
>(aka:seav)!If it's OK with the group, I will prepare the nomination letter 
>ifMurlwe and Eugene accepts the nomination.  No guarantees though, but Ithink 
>it's worth the try.
>
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM, George Tujan  wrote:> how 
>many would they need? I'd definitely nominate you (Emmanuel> Sambale) and 
>Marloue Pidor> Both have done tremendous work in promoting OSM advocacy>> 
>--george(smackcode)>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM,  
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>digest...">> Today's Topics:   1. Re: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State 
>of the Map Travel>>  Scholarships (maning sambale)>>   2. Re: [OSM-talk] 
>Nominations for State of the Map Travel>>  Scholarships (Rally de Leon)>>  
> 3. Re: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel>>  Scholarships 
>(art esmeralda)>> 
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>Message: 1>> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:47:14 +0800>> From: maning sambale 
>>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations 
>for State of the Map>>Travel  Scholarships>> To: osm-ph 
>>> Message-ID:>>
>>> Content-Type: 
>text/plain; charset=UTF-8 We are mentioned here:>>> * Southeast Asia: 
>Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.>> Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH?  I 
>guess it's worth trying to>> nominate one from the group. On Thu, May 7, 
>2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale>>  wrote:>>> 
>-- Forwarded message -->>> From: Mikel Maron 
 Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM>>> Subject: 
>[OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Ma
>p Travel Scholarships>>> To: t...@openstreetmap.org The 
>OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover>>> full 
>travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of>>> the Map. 
>We're seeking nominations from the community for potential>>> mappers.>> 
>Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would>>> prohibit 
>attendance, developing countries, and places that are>>> "interesting" 
>geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are>>> from countries with a 
>small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers>>> in total. They have made a 
>significant start at mapping their city,>>> either through Yahoo imagery or 
>with their own GPS, and are directly>>> familiar with the process of OSM. They 
>may have started communicating>>> among themselves, and made plans and scoped 
>out the process for their>>> local district. But, the community is nowhere 
>near critical mass, and>>> they need the inspiration and support to take OSM 
>;UTF8ISO-CONVERTED;\n
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Re: [talk-ph] bulk import of wikipedia POIs to OSM

[Mike Collinson]

I kinda sit on the fence on both the legal issues and the desirability of bulk 
importing specifically Philippines data.  For kicking off this discussion, I'd 
therefore suggest that we do not do a bulk import but that we do individually 
use the Wikipedia map location tool. I have found this very useful for broadly 
locating something I am looking for even when the exact location is not 
accurate (often).

If list members have not come across this, there are often lat/lon coords in 
the top right of a Wikipedia article.  Click on that and you are given a list 
of online maps, click on OpenStreetMap "map" and the on the usual OpenStreetMap 
Edit link.  I then use the landsat imagery to precisely locate the feature I am 
looking for and manually create a tag or way ... or adding more information to 
a tag that is already there.  I generally use it for getting names for rivers, 
mountains and towns.

Mike

At 09:08 AM 6/05/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Over at the main OSM list, there is a discussion on importing POIs
>from wikipedia articles:
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036582.html
>
>The main discussion revolves around whether we should or shouldn't
>import given that some of the POIs location (lon/lat) maybe derived
>from Google Map.  I'm not really familiar with wikipedia's POI data
>particularly for the Philippines.  Do we need to add them here?  Or
>there will be major conflicts with existing POIs we have already
>added.
>
>Any ideas?
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Tags for Resorts

[Mike Collinson]

Jim gives the answer I would give. I mapped about 150 places in Boracay and 
used tourism=hotel on almost all of them.  Occasionally I also use 
tourism=hostel for "backpacker" places, i.e. offering bunk-room style 
accommodation.

It would be nice, though, to specifically tag as resorts.  Perhaps we should do 
a simple addition of resort=yes?  One dream I have is an on-line map of the 
Philippines where potential foreign tourists who know little about country can 
see clusters of resort hotels, indicating a nice place to go, and then zoom in 
for a closer look.

Mike


At 06:48 AM 15/04/2009, Jim Morgan wrote:
>I've been using tourism:hotel for most of them. If I put guest house in there 
>I think it must have been the kind of place where you might stay long term if 
>you're working there. Different sort of clientelle to a hotel. And chalets are 
>stand-alone, self contained dwellings, whereas guest houses are more like 
>apartments in a condo. 
>
>So I guess what I'm saying is that if it looked like a real tourist place, I'd 
>just use hotel as a blanket "you can stay here if you pay money" tag. So that 
>seems the most likely for you to use. Guest Houses and Chalets also have their 
>own place, so I don't see why they can't all be used. 
>
>I did a pretty thorough job on the available accommodation along the 
>beachfront, so I'd be surprised if there were many missing there. In the back 
>alleys I did miss a couple, but there's another mapper in Boracay who's been 
>filling those in. 
>
>Oh, one last thing ... while I was putting the resorts in, I was trying to put 
>them in as rectangular ways marked with building=yes so they render on the map 
>as a purple area, which I thought looked better than a single dot, and more 
>like a Real map. It would be good to continue with this tradition if possible. 
>I can give you a hand getting the data in if you like. 
>
>Jim
>
>Ed Garcia wrote, On Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:05 AM:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Just wanted to ask what is the standard tag that we are using for
>> Resorts?   I was studying the Boracay area and found two tags: 
>> tourism:guest_house  and tourism:chalet  What standard are we to adapt? 
>> I would like to put in many resorts from my collection of GPS waypoints.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> ed
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[talk-ph] State of the Map Conference Update

[Mike Collinson]

Hi there,

A quick update from the State Of The Map team.

Are you considering attending State Of The Map 2009 in Amsterdam on July 
10-12th? 
May be you already registered? 

Please be sure to book your accommodation in Amsterdam as soon as possible as 
well. It will be high season and affordable accommodation can be hard to come 
by - but if you act now, you'll still be able to pick from a wide range of 
places to stay in all price ranges. There's some suggestions for you on 
http://www.stateofthemap.org/local-and-travel/stay/ 

We hope to see you in Amsterdam this summer!'

martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/

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Re: [talk-ph] just a thought OSM Philippines mini-conference

[Mike Collinson]

If the idea gains traction,  you might want to call it "State of the Map 
Mini-Conference".  It would be great to grow it over two or three years to an 
international Asian conference in Boracay.  I have access to the 
www.stateofthemap.org if useful. 

 From little Acorns, mighty Oaks,
Mike

At 06:24 AM 13/04/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>OK,  first order of the day would be to write something about the
>planned event.  I will do that over the next few weeks.
>Then, let's agree on the date.  Then sell the idea to anyone willing
>to cover some costs.  At least we need some funds for food.
>
>On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner
> wrote:
>> Sure what do we need here, I have no problem discussing Boracay though
>> it might be more fun to have Jim join in and explain his 'fun' adventure
>> of mapping Boracay :)
>>
>> Andre
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Re: [talk-ph] On editing PH coastlines

[Mike Collinson]

Easter greetings to all.

Here are my personal rules of thumb for mapping from Landsat, other views most 
welcome, these are just my opinions:

- Most of the people looking at our maps will do so from land. They want to 
orientate the map with what they see.  It they see something on a map but not 
in reality, it is easy to conclude that it is high tide.  But if it is not on 
the map but there in reality, then the map looks wrong. Moral: If in doubt, map 
as land.

- It is not possible to know whether a landsat image was made at high tide or 
low tide, nor is it easy to determine whether trees are mangrove or not. Best 
to be systematic So I follow my above rule, If in doubt, map as land.

- Corrections will come over the years, but slowly with local knowledge by 
different contributors. Other specialists may also join us, such as fishermen, 
who can help.

So:

At 05:46 AM 10/04/2009, Maning Sambale wrote:

>Some questions:
>
>1) How do we map mangrove [2] areas along coastlines?  In the "field"
>mangroves are either inland extending to the coast and even beyond
>coastline.  Do we include mangroves in inter-tidal areas as part of the
>coastline?

Map as land as it is easier. In the field, mangroves can be gradually 
identified and allow future mappers wiser than me to change that decision.


>2) Where do coastline and large rivers converge?  River deltas [3] is
>particularly problematic.

I try to imagine what a large scale silhouette map of just coastline would look 
like.  Would I be able to tell that there is a small, large river or delta 
there rather than a smooth coastline?  I then extend the coastline just enough 
inland to answer that question. A tiny nick for a small river.  A kilometre or 
so for a big estuarine one. For deltas, not easy. I pick one large channel at 
each side and map the coastline as that with anything in between as islands or 
islands with rivers, and anything "inland" as rivers.


>3) Sand bars? Siltation areas?  Any suggestions on how we map this?

If in doubt, map as land. Where absolutely sure, experiment with new tags such 
as "subsea="


>Me thinks: coastlines will never be complete because we have so much
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Re: [talk-ph] Yahoo!'s satellite imagery in Makati CBD is not good enough

[Mike Collinson]

At 11:26 AM 9/04/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I was doing some cleaning up and some building mapping in the Makati CBD area 
>and I noticed that the satellite imagery in Yahoo! (provided by GeoEye) has 
>some really bad stitching (multiple satellite imagery were stitched into one 
>"seamless" mosaic). One particularly bad example is that Rufino St. (Herrera) 
>is broken along Ayala Avenue. The stitching of the imagery seems to be along 
>Ayala Avenue and Buendia. If you'll check out the parts of Buendia near the 
>RCBC Plaza, you'll notice that there are two shadow images of Buendia there.
>
>I think this means that the data in the Makati CBD area might be quite off in 
>some parts. I think that we need to supplement this with some really good GPS 
>traces (the existing uploaded GPS traces are quite noisy) but the problem is 
>the urban canyon effect that makes GPS a bit ineffective in this area.
>
>What do you guys think?

I tried GPS mapping in Makati CBD before the imagery was available and found 
the GPS quality just awful, you are very polite :-) .  I had a similar problem 
in Sydney CBD coupled with very oblique aerial imagery that obscures many of 
the roads.  The best solution I came up with was to wander about and take lots 
of digital photographs down streets and then iteratively edit the map to get 
relative position looking right against the photos with the few spots of good 
imagery and GPS as a control for absolute position.

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Re: [talk-ph] request for assistance to import Philippine data from PAFID

[Mike Collinson]

This sounds like a wonderful resource both for what it gives OSM and for OSM to 
give back. Thanks Maning! 

Can you confirm the exact nature of the data?  There is one ESRI Shapefile per 
original map sheet per data type (rivers, roads, ...)?  And the Cartalinks 
vectors (sorry I am not familiar with this) is the same data but in a different 
format?

Mike

PS To quote from the wiki page for the benefit of the general talk list:

"PAFID is a non-profit organization providing mapping services to Indigenous 
Peoples in the Philippines through collaborative efforts like participatory and 
resource mapping as a tool for asserting Indigenous Peoples rights to resources 
and ancestral domain. The institution maintains comprehensive datasets of 
various topographic features of IP lands. These data includes topographic 
features such as roads, rivers, contour elevation, community resources, 
ancestral domain boundaries. "



At 04:40 PM 31/03/2009, Maning Sambale wrote:
>hi,
>
>PAFID gave OSM Philippines permission to import it's geodata mainly of
>topographic features based on digitized 1:50K topomaps of the country.
>
>The coverage are the mountainous and rural areas of the country where no
>satellite image or GPS maybe available.
>
>Approximately 179 toposheets are available or roughly 18% of the entire
>1:50K toposheets of the whole country.
>
>I am currently collecting ideas on how we can add the data to OSM here:
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Data_import/pafid_data
>
>To date, this is one the biggest data import we will do for the
>Philippines and will cover much of the unmapped areas.
>
>Please share your insights on how we can implement the import.  I am
>hopeful that the success of this import would pave the way for many
>geodata silos in the Philippine to donate data to OSM.
>
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[talk-ph] State of the Map 2009

[Mike Collinson]

Dear Philippines' mappers,

Early bird registration for State of the Map 2009 ends this Sunday 29th, March. 
 OpenStreetMap's Third Annual International OpenStreetMap Conference is in 
Amsterdam, the Netherlands, July 10th - 12th, 2009.  It is a great opportunity 
to meet your fellow mappers from all over the world.

http://www.stateofthemap.org

http://www.stateofthemap.org/register-now/

I will be there from Thursday night (9th) and will be happy to share a hotel 
room, probably at no cost, for all or some of the time if some one can make it.

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Re: [talk-ph] export current place names and relation

[Mike Collinson]

At 07:01 AM 20/03/2009, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote:
>Hi, I was wondering, to prepare for the postcode and place name
>database, is it possible to export from OSM a list of the place names we
>currently have, what they are (city, town/municipality, province, etc.),
>and where they are (what province a town is in, etc.)?

Ronny,

You may be able to piggy-back on some work I have been doing to do just that.

The easiest way to systematically get out lists of states, cities, towns, 
islands, ... etc within the Philippines is to use OSM XAPI

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi

Here is a command that you can paste in your browser to try.  It should give 
you back every city in the Philippines by using a lat/lon bounding box.  I've 
calculated the bounding box from GNS data. It should be accurate but there are 
sometimes spurious values that make it too big.

http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/node[place=city][bbox=116.65,4.59,126.60,21.113056]

You can then use place=state, place=island ... to pull out other lists.

I hope you can use XML data. If not, there are other options like Osmosis 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis, but I am not very familiar with 
them.

 From the sample below, you will see that I have tried to be systematic using 
is_in:* tags (is_in:country, is_in:state mostly).  This will not give you an 
absolutely complete "where they are" picture as some folks will have added data 
without these tags. But it should give you a good start.


Good luck and if there is any other help I can give, I am always lurking on 
this list!
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[talk-ph] Bulk contributors in the Philippines and the ODbL license

[Mike Collinson]

Hallo again,

Regarding the OSM's new license process that I just emailed about, I have a 
question for you.

With Germany, the Philippines community has taken an aggressive lead in getting 
contributions of bulk data from government authorities. Is it necessary to make 
them aware that we may move to a new license and could there be any 
repercussion of that?  

It is still a very similar license - community, private and commercial use OK 
as long as attribution and share-alike clauses are met - but a change is a 
change.

At the moment we are encouraging informal dialogue with some of our really big 
contributors such as AND in Holland and perhaps you want to do the same.  I'd 
be grateful for any feedback.  If you feel there is a need to make a formal 
approach, I recommend we wait until we can have a final copy of the license and 
a clear indication that it is going to be accepted by the OSM community as a 
whole.

Mike
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[talk-ph] OSM's new license process

[Mike Collinson]

Hi guys,

I recently joined the OSMF License Working Group in order to assist with the 
workload in working with the OSM community in migrating to a new clearer 
license for OSM data.  I've copied below an announcement made to the OSM 
legal-talk mailing list and you can find similar information at 
http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/the-openstreetmap-license/

I do not pretend to be an expert in these matters despite professional 
experience in software licensing but as I am on this mailing list I will try my 
best to answer any questions that you have and to draw attention to any 
concerns that you bring up.

Mike

---

The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the 
completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new 
proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement (ODbL).

The working group have put much effort in to inputting OSMs needs and 
supporting the creation of this license however OpenStreetMap's 
expertise is not in law. Therefore, we have worked with the license 
authors and others to build a suitable home where a community and 
process can be built around it. Its new home is with the Open Data 
Commons http://www.opendatacommons.org. We encourage the OSM community 
join in the Open Data Commons comments process from today to make sure 
that the license is the best possible license for us.

The license remains firmly rooted in the attribution, share-alike 
provisions of the existing Creative Commons License but the ODbL is far 
more suitable for open factual databases rather than the creative works 
of art. It extends far greater potential protection and is far clearer 
when, why and where the share-alike provisions are triggered.

The license is now available at 
http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and you are welcome to 
make final comments about the license itself via a wiki and mailing list 
also at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ up until 20th 
March 23:59 GMT. To be clear, this process is led by the ODC and 
comments should be made there as part of that process.

Attached below is our proposed adoption plan and the latest will be at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan 
. This is not cast in stone and we welcome direct comments on the 
discussion page for the plan:  
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan 
.
In summary, we'd like to give time for final license comments to be 
absorbed, ask OSMF members to vote on whether they wish to put the 
current version of the new license to the community for adoption and 
then begin the adoption process itself. The board has decided to wait 
until the final version before formally reviewing the license.

Our legal counsel has also responded to the OSM-contributed Use Cases 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases and his 
responses have been added there. OSMFs legal counsel also recommends the 
use of the Factual Information License 
http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/fil/ for the individual 
contributions from individual data contributors, and any aggregation 
covered by the ODbL.

There other open issues that we seek OSM community support and input on. 
If you would like to help, please give input at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Issues

For instance: Who actually should be the licensor of the ODbL license? 
The OSM Foundation is the logical choice but are there any alternatives? 
And implementation What Ifs ... for example, what if the license is not 
accepted?

Thank you for your patience with this process. The license working group 
looks forward to working with community input and an opening up of the 
process.

--
All dates approximate for review.  This version is as of 5th March.


5th March 

* Working group meeting. Finalise implementation plan following review of 
plan comments; What If scenario planning. 


12th March 

* Working group meeting. Review of community feedback received to date. 

?? March

* Date unknown, Jordan (the author of the ODbL) has said he will publish a 
further draft on the comment site based on the comments received, before the 
end of the comment process. We don't know when that date will be. 


20th March 

* End of OpenData Commons' ODbL 1.0  comment period. This is the close of 
the comment period on the ODbL *only* and this is driven by its author and its 
home at the OKFN. This is not the close of comments on how, when and if OSM 
adopts that license. 


28 March 

* ODbL 1.0 is expected to be released by Open Data Commons at The Open 
Knowledge Conference (OKCon) London event. 


31st March 

* OSMF Board first considers endorsing licence and asks OSMF members (as of 
23rd January) to vote (2 week, after 1 week we will send out a reminder to 
people who haven't yet responded) on whether ODbL 1.0 

[talk-ph] Tagging marine features (was: request edit for this month (coastline))

[Mike Collinson]

I've changed the subject to avoid hijacking the original thread.  As Manning 
suggests, this is something we the Philippines OSM community can take a lead in.

So far, I've not come up with a very large "subsea" list.  Over the weekend 
I'll try and dig up a list of what GNS uses and how I have mapped some of them 
to "new" OSM tags.

I have a strong background in marine earth science but zero feeling for what 
the yachting, boating and shipping community would like to see (sea?!) on maps 
so any comments on that very welcome.

Another tag I have started using is name=xxx, place=archipelago for a group of 
islands.  I can then tag islands with an extra is_in:archipelago=xxx tag.  This 
generally works well except when there is a small group of  islands inside a 
larger one.  This then needs an island to be tagged with something like 
is_in:archipelago=Visayas;xxx which is a bit awkward.


Mike

At 03:17 AM 27/02/2009, maning sambale wrote:

>What are the common tags used for marine features?  The map features
>seems too land-centric (for good reasons) but I think for archipelagic
>countries we need to map marine features as well.
>
>On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Mike Collinson  wrote:
>> An interesting link, I am looking at it now.
>>
>> FYI, I have started experimentally mapping coral reef edges visible on 
>> landsat with a subsea=coral_reef way tag.  I'd welcome anyone else to join 
>> in and share thoughts.
>>
>> I feel there should be a high-level "subsea=" tag to map point, lineal and 
>> area features that are always or normally underwater.  The other main value 
>> I've started using is subsea=channel, name=  for names of channels, 
>> sounds and straits gleaned from out-of-copyright maps.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> At 03:05 AM 26/02/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>>
>>>For some excellent "OC-OC" tips on island mapping look 
>>>here:http://www.evs-islands.com/
>>>Mr. Minton previously used only LANDSAT data for his highly accurateisland 
>>>maps.
>>>Some reefs are visible in LANDSAT.
>>>On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Ed Garcia  wrote:> 
>>>Eureka!!! it worked na.  And the newer version is so so much better pa!> 
>>>lalo na naman akong ginanahan!  I will help with the coast lines.  In fact> 
>>>even with Yahoo pa lang I did some coastline refining na especially in> 
>>>Anilao, Tingloy and Maricaban.  And now, my alma mater reef:  ligpo!>> :>) 
>>>ed>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM, maning sambale 
>>>> wrote:>>>> Can you try the latest josm 
>>>version?>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Ed Garcia 
>>> wrote:>> > Maning,>> >>> > Still can't get the 
>>>wmsplugin to load in my JOSM ... always comes up>> > with>> > the message 
>>>"could not load plugin wmsplugin.  delete from preferences?">> >>> > help!>> 
>>>> :>) ed>> >>> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM, maning sambale>> > 
>>>>> > wrote:>> >>>> >> whew! finally finished 
>>>masbate.>> >>>> >> Next will be Sibuyan!>> >>>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 
>>>8:47 PM, maning sambale>> >>  wrote:>> >> > 
>>>Here's what I did for Ticao Island:>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > 
>>>http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html?zoom=11&lat=12.51694&lon=123.72751&layers=B00T>>
>>> >> >>> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:44 PM, maning sambale>> >> > 
>>> wrote:>> >> >> Hi,>> >> >>>> >> >> An appeal 
>>>for editing this Month (February 2009).>> >> >>>> >> >> Coastline clean-up.  
>>>We have one of the most extensive coastlines in>> >> >> the world.  
>>>Currently OSM Philippines' coastline is a very rough>> >> >> import we made 
>>>a few years back using medium resolution SRTM data.>> >> >>  A>> >> >> lot 
>>>of very small islands are not included in the SRTM import.>> >> >>>> >> >> I 
>>>have started editing coastlines around Visayas (Biliran, Ticao and>> >> >> 
>>>Masbate).>> >> >>>> >> >> I request all Philippine mappers 

Re: [talk-ph] request edit for this month (coastline)

[Mike Collinson]

An interesting link, I am looking at it now.

FYI, I have started experimentally mapping coral reef edges visible on landsat 
with a subsea=coral_reef way tag.  I'd welcome anyone else to join in and share 
thoughts.  

I feel there should be a high-level "subsea=" tag to map point, lineal and area 
features that are always or normally underwater.  The other main value I've 
started using is subsea=channel, name=  for names of channels, sounds and 
straits gleaned from out-of-copyright maps.

Mike


At 03:05 AM 26/02/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
>For some excellent "OC-OC" tips on island mapping look 
>here:http://www.evs-islands.com/
>Mr. Minton previously used only LANDSAT data for his highly accurateisland 
>maps.
>Some reefs are visible in LANDSAT.
>On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Ed Garcia  wrote:> 
>Eureka!!! it worked na.  And the newer version is so so much better pa!> lalo 
>na naman akong ginanahan!  I will help with the coast lines.  In fact> even 
>with Yahoo pa lang I did some coastline refining na especially in> Anilao, 
>Tingloy and Maricaban.  And now, my alma mater reef:  ligpo!>> :>) ed>> On 
>Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM, maning sambale > 
>wrote: Can you try the latest josm version? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 
>10:03 PM, Ed Garcia  wrote:>> > Maning,>> >>> > Still 
>can't get the wmsplugin to load in my JOSM ... always comes up>> > with>> > 
>the message "could not load plugin wmsplugin.  delete from preferences?">> >>> 
>> help!>> > :>) ed>> >>> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM, maning sambale>> > 
>>> > wrote:>>  >> whew! finally finished 
>masbate.>>  >> Next will be Sibuyan!>>  >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 
>8:47 PM, maning sambale>> >>  wrote:>> >> > Here's 
>what I did for Ticao Island:>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > 
>http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html?zoom=11&lat=12.51694&lon=123.72751&layers=B00T>>
> >> >>> >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:44 PM, maning sambale>> >> > 
> wrote:>> >> >> Hi,>> >>  >> >> An appeal for 
>editing this Month (February 2009).>> >>  >> >> Coastline clean-up.  We 
>have one of the most extensive coastlines in>> >> >> the world.  Currently OSM 
>Philippines' coastline is a very rough>> >> >> import we made a few years back 
>using medium resolution SRTM data.>> >> >>  A>> >> >> lot of very small 
>islands are not included in the SRTM import.>> >>  >> >> I have started 
>editing coastlines around Visayas (Biliran, Ticao and>> >> >> Masbate).>> >> 
> >> >> I request all Philippine mappers to adapt a few island and give 
>them>> >> >> some coastline love.  You can easily do this with landsat 
>imagery>> >> >> (available both on potlatch, josm, and merkaator).  For very 
>large>> >> >>Ï°-lZb
> landmasses like Luzon or Mindanao please split coastlines into>> >> >> 
> manageable segments.>> >>  >> >> Links to coastline editing:>> >>  >> 
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcoastline>> >> >> 
> http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html>> >>  >> >> -->> >> >> 
> cheers,>> >> >> maning>> >> >> 
> -->> >> >> "Freedom is 
> still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden>> >> >> wiki: 
> http://esambale.wikispaces.com/>> >> >> blog: 
> http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/>> >> >> 
> -->> >>  >> >>> >> 
> >>> >> >>> >> > -->> >> > cheers,>> >> > maning>> >> > 
> -->> >> > "Freedom is 
> still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden>> >> > wiki: 
> http://esambale.wikispaces.com/>> >> > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/>> 
> >> > -->> >> >>>  
>   >> -->> >> cheers,>> >> maning>> >> --
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Re: [talk-ph] OSM Vacation Offer

[Mike Collinson]

At 02:18 PM 19/02/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>I'll do some research to get a rough estimate on how long it will likely take 
>to map the whole of Boracay so we'll know what travel package to get (3D 2N? 
>or 4D 3N?). I remember it taking me about an hour to walk the whole stretch of 
>White Beach so it will probably take a whole day just to map out the White 
>Beach properties.

It took me 2 1/2 energetic days to collect the data for the original OSM 
Boracay map - which I think is still pretty much everything you see bar some 
new side roads and tracks.  Exclusively on foot with two motorbike taxi rides.  
That included location and digital photo of every hotel, main tourist points 
(ferry, Mount Luho, Bat Cave ...), most restaurants and most tourist-oriented 
shops.  I'd add another day if you need to go into the hotels to get contact 
info.  Or you can cut some time off by hiring a bicycle - I believe there was a 
place in the D'Mall area, I'll check and add it if I have time.

FYI, I've contributed the hotel locations and tourist points already; the rest 
was for a potentially-commercial project but I may release it later.

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Re: [talk-ph] some osm-ph database stats as 20090211

[Mike Collinson]

At 11:46 AM 18/02/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>His some stats as of 20090211
>
>Total Ways: 56064
>Total Nodes: 588281
>Total Relations: 40
>Highway length sums (metres):  33456642m (roughly 16% of roads
>according to CIA Factbook)
>Total number of contributors: 150
>total nodes belonging to the top 30 contributors: 580227 (99%)
>total ways belonging to the top 30 contributors: 55307 (99%)
>
>What does this tell me?
>
>1.  Contributors are increasing (+20% as of 20090114)
>2.  Data contributed are also increasing (+5% as of 20090114)
>3.  99% of all data are contributed by the top 30 active mappers.
>
>While we are increasingly becoming popular the number of active
>mappers are just a third of all contributors?
>How do you interpret the stats?

It sounds very encouraging, particularly the number contributors that have at 
least had a go.  

Even in the UK, which must have several thousand contributors, I believe a 
study last year showed that 80% was contributed by just ?40? contributors.

If easy to do, it would be interesting to calculate what percentage was 
contributed by, say, the top 5 contributors.  The lower that figure is, the 
more folks other than the original core contributors are getting active.

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Re: [talk-ph] OSM Philippines legal entity (was OSM Philippines meet-up)

[Mike Collinson]

At 12:58 PM 10/02/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
>> Good to see everyone there as well, and put faces to email addresses!
>>
>> maning sambale wrote, On Monday, February 09, 2009 11:17 AM:
>>> On forming an organization:
>>> We had a previous mail discussion on "should we have a formal
>>> organization representing OSM Philippines" so this was a main
>>> discussion point in Grappas.  Basically two points were raised:
>>>
>>> 1. There is a need to create a "legal personality" for OSM Philippines
>>
>> One other alternate approach we discussed was to use the main London OSM 
>> body as a representative. Its unclear exactly how this would work though. 
>> Time zones would undoubtedly be tricky but it might be good as a stopgap.
>
>@ Mike Collinson - is this possible?  Or any updates on the local chapter 
>plans?
>To all - please have a look at Andre's email:
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-February/000446.html 


No update that I am aware of.  Certainly we as OSM Foundation will do our best 
to accommodate a structure that keeps your costs to a minimum or preferably 
zero.  The only checkpoint that I can think of for us is that Etienne as 
Treasurer can see proper control if money is involved, for example local 
membership dues.

To help, it is important to understand the need for a "legal personality" and 
then do what it takes .  In the past, I've been a member of clubs around the 
world that had a written constitution and an Annual General Meeting but no 
official registration that I was aware of.  Is it a strict legal necessity in 
the Philippines or something gives an air of formality when dealing with such 
people as local government? Can you open a club bank account without SEC 
registration? Do you actually need/want a bank account?

For Etienne and Nick, in the Philippines it is common practice to register an 
organization/club with the Securities and Exchange Commission as a non-profit.  
If I am paraphrasing earlier list discussions correctly, this involves a lot of 
paperwork and has  potentially prohibitive costs.

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Re: [talk-ph] Mapnik weekly rerendering

[Mike Collinson]

FYI, Mapnik rendering does not all come from the same source. Most features are 
done weekly but coastlines (riverbanks and rivers?)  come from their own 
Shapefiles that are updated much less frequently.  Osmarender is more prone 
going haywire if there are small glitches in the coastline but is more uptodate.

Mike

At 04:13 PM 6/02/2009, Ed Garcia wrote:

>Oh my!  What happened to the coastline of Zambales!?  I noticed many new roads 
>added to Castillejos and San Antonio but ...  the coastline is gone!   Is this 
>the "reclaimed" chunk Eugene?
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
><sea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>It seems that the rendering is done and the Philippines now has reclaimed a 
>huge square-shaped chunk of the South China Sea. China will probably protest. 
>:-P
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:40 AM, maning sambale 
><emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Napansin ko din kahapon.  Reports from the main talk says there was
>delay in the planet dump.  Hopefully matapos daw in the next few
>hours.
>
>On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Ed Garcia 
><eppgar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> Did Mapnik rerender this wednesday this week?  Look like it did not (yet).
>> Been monitoring the SJDM Bulacan area where I added several ways last week.
>> I can see all of the additional edits on Osmarender but still none of them
>> showing on Mapnik.
>>
>> thanks
>> ed
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] supporting OSM Philippines and representing OSM Philippines to various orgs.

[Mike Collinson]

Maning, Eugene, Nick,

I am cc'ing Nick Black for his info. He is my fellow OSMF board member who is 
working on the structure and procedure for OSMF local chapters. It certainly 
would be great to see a Philippines chapter forming; a very vibrant community 
is developing and I think you guys are gaining a lot of experience in getting 
local government and other data contributions that we'd all like to know about.

Mike

At 01:33 PM 27/01/2009, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>The OSMF has a plan on having local chapters, somewhat similar in style to the 
>Wikimedia Foundation's chapters. That's the only way we can represent OSM in a 
>legal and official sense.
>
>But basing on the currently ongoing plans of setting up a Wikimedia 
>Philippines chapter since 2007, I doubt that we can create an OpenStreetMap 
>Philippines organization anytime soon after the OSMF has approved the policies 
>for setting up local chapters.
>
>Then again, there are plenty of people in this mailing list that have 
>experience setting up SEC-registered companies. In Wikipedia, we are all just 
>a bunch of academically-inclined people. :-)
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, maning sambale 
><emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am receiving emails lately on how to support OSM Philippines.  The
>natural response I give is: join OSM, collect data, edit the database,
>tell your friends about OSM Philippines.  Do we need more support
>other than what I mentioned?  Do we need event sponsors, funds,  free
>beer?
>
>On another side of the coin, I also approach some orgs (particularly
>LGUs) to support or provide data for OSM Philippines.  The usual
>response is: "we want to know more about your organization so we can
>discuss it".  Well, we don't have any formal org.  What "legal" basis
>can we represent OSM Phil to these organizations?  Is anybody a member
>of the OSM foundation? Perhaps we can capitalize on such affiliation.
>
>Any ideas?  Or we just keep on mapping (me thinks we should).
>
>--
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>maning
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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

[Mike Collinson]

At 06:37 AM 15/01/2009, D Tucny wrote:
>The namefinder uses 'near' rather than 'in', so you search for "hotels in 
>boracay" would be written as "hotels near boracay", which returns no results 
>for some reason... doing a search for "hotels near manila" returns some 
>results though, so it's at least finding some data (and not all of them have 
>hotel in the name)... I don't know if the name finder uses is_in tags though, 
>I have a feeling it works on distance between objects, so, between a place 
>named boracay and an object tagged with tourism=hotel... (actually 
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Search
> suggests that is_in tags are used but, it seems, only when reducing the 
>matches of a place, i.e. "hotels in bonifacio, manila" to avoid matching a 
>place with bonifacio in it's name elsewhere in the world and finding all 
>hotels near there...)

I suspect the reason will be that Boracay is in as an island and the Namefinder 
service is not yet searching place=island - the service is down right now so I 
cannot confirm that.  When it comes up, try 'hotels near Malay"

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Re: [talk-ph] Broadening coverage.

[Mike Collinson]

Excellent!  The ability to use OSM data as a national search and location 
resource for overseas tourism promotion provides a serious demonstration of the 
value of what we are doing.

I've mapped in each and every Boracay hotel and just used tourism=hotel but any 
other information, even if you invent your own tags is always useful. It is 
nice to know if I am booking my family into a resort not a short-time hotel :-)

I do not know if it is practical for you but another suggestion is to provide 
as much supplementary information as possible.  It is very easy to write 
scripts to pull out a list of hotels for an area someone is interested in if 
this sort of tagging is used:

tourism=hotel
name=The Nice Hotel
is_in:country=Philippines
is_in:state=Xxx Province
is_in:island=Panglao
is_in:beach=Alona Beach
...

Mike

At 03:05 PM 14/01/2009, Ed Garcia wrote:
>Regarding resorts listed at waypointsdotph ... no problem ... I will have 
>those resorts that have coordinates added to OSM.  Btw, what tag will we use 
>for resorts?  will we simply use Hotel?
>
>As to contact numbers.  You can use the ones listed on the website.  I can 
>give Maning the list.  Though I already tried to ask the resorts that do not 
>have gps coordinates to to send in their coordinates but they usually do not 
>have access to GPS receivers.  And locating and pinpointing their 
>establishments on the current map is not easy either especially for resorts in 
>the provinces.
>
>On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:03 PM, maning sambale 
><emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:  
>Great idea!
>Feel free to improve this for the Philippine setting: 
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Weekend_mapping_projects/Form_letters
>Some tips in writing press releases: 
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Writing_a_press_release
>> It occured to me as I was browsing some of the resorts, that this would be a 
>> good way to get more people hooked in. All the resorts have bad instructions 
>> on how to get there, and most of them are in fairly remote areas. So, if we 
>> were to approach them and suggest that they make sure their bit of the 
>> Philippines is "on the map", then they can use OSM as a resource on their 
>> websites, to make sure that customers (especially ones with GPS!) can find 
>> them.
>Some resorts are in Ed's webpage: 
>www.waypoints.ph
>Maybe Ed can also help us with contacts.  Informal/personal/social 
>contacts sends the message across a lot easier.
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[talk-ph] natural=peak GNS upload complete

[Mike Collinson]

Hi Maning and list,

As requested, I've uploaded full set of Philippine mountain and hill names 
found in the US government's GNS dataset.  You should start to see these 
appearing in the Osmarender map view and in Mapnik next week.

I've also uploaded names of mountain ranges as place=mountain_range . These 
will not render out but are there for search use.


I keep a full file of all the node numbers, so if there are any systematic 
issues, do let me know because I can easily make a mass change.

GNS data is not always entirely accurate and is if coarse resolution so the 
tags will rarely exactly overlie the landsat image of the peak they represent, 
so do please feel free to edit away!  There will also be some duplication with 
your own entries to be merged.  I'd appreciate if  is_in tag information is 
preserved as I am slowly working on a gazeteer that can be browsed on a 
province by province basis.

A Happy 2009 of mapping to all!
Mike



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Re: [talk-ph] quick site demo for openstreetmap Philippines website

[Mike Collinson]

Great stuff. I agree with Enzo that the simple layout makes everything very 
obvious and work well. 

Mike

At 07:43 AM 9/12/2008, maning sambale wrote:
>http://www.enthropia.com/OSM/
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Re: [talk-ph] free philippine postcode data

[Mike Collinson]

At 09:20 AM 28/10/2008, maning sambale wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I found this from my random searching
>
>Postcode of the Philippines:
>http://www.aag.com.ph/products.html
>
>Do we have any use for it in OSM?
>
>The data includes the following information:
>Zip_Code
>Location
>City_Municipal
>Province
>Region

Where zip / postal codes are widely used, it is useful  information is to build 
up in OSM for search proximity purposes ... something I am working on at the 
moment.  "Show me all the restaurants near zip code 1543" for example. Even 
having just one lat/lon tagged reference to zip code 1543 can therefore be very 
useful.

There is no lat/lon info in the file which lowers usefulness. But it might be 
possible to write a partially-automated script to match the City_Municipal /  
Province entries to OSM place=town|city and insert a postal_code= tag. So I 
have grabbed a copy.  I don't think it is a priority item though as most folks 
don't think in terms of Philippine post codes to orientate themselves.


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[talk-ph] GNS island names uploaded

[Mike Collinson]

Maning and all,

I've now uploaded all the Philippine island names from the GNS database, 2863 
in all.  http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm

If there are any systematic errors, do let me know, I save a file which lets me 
quickly remove/replace them if necessary.

The names should start appearing in the Osmarender map view over the next few 
hours and in the Mapnik view on Thursday next week.

Enjoy!
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Re: [talk-ph] Correcting Philippine coastlines

[Mike Collinson]

Maning, Ian,

Sure, glad to help.

It would be easiest for me to import directly from the GNS data since I have 
that and the import script all set up, but let me just check I understand.  The 
objective is to import island names as nodes, e.g. place=island, name=xyz - 
i.e. just nodes not coastline ways with island name attached.  And is there any 
extra info or edits in gnet_islands_ph.zip ? I know for example that the GNS 
coordinates are very course so names for small islands (less than 2km across) 
may not be accurately placed.

Mike



At 10:30 AM 19/09/2008, maning sambale wrote:
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>On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Ian Haylock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think the coastline from Manila to the part of Cavite should be ok, as
>> I've been editing this area. I noticed last year that Boracay had been done,
>> as well as some of the Island to the south of Boracay.
>>
>> Spotting coastline that needs updating should be fairly easy by examining
>> the area using the slippy map, srtm coastlines usually have the horrible
>> step like appearance.
>>
>> It would be nice to add the names to the islands as they are updated, but as
>> I don't know what they are, do you know of a source where I can find out ?
>
>I'm sending you a zip file containing all the island/islet names for
>the Philippines from GNS
>(http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html).  Data is in public
>domain, hence, no licensing issues.  I converted the data to shapefile
>years ago.  This is the same data source where Mike Collinson (cc'd
>here) made the data Municipalities/Cities name import.
>
>Mike can you help us out again in importing island names this time?
>
>> Now I remember why I hated fixing the coastline before, you spend 5 minutes
>> editing, and 20 minutes waiting for the upload to finish.
>
>OSM database seems to be better now, don't you think?
>
>
>And the Philippines even getting better :)
>
>cheers,
>maning
>> Cheers, Ian
>>
>> --- On Fri, 19/9/08, maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> From: maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Correcting Philippine coastlines
>> To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>> Date: Friday, 19 September, 2008, 7:32 AM
>>
>>>
>>> The script coast_josm.pl produces the same output, as the code used on the
>>> web page is based on the coast_josm.pl script.
>>>
>>> I think using either of the above methods would be a lot quicker than
>>> tracing all the coastline by hand, and produce a pretty accurate
>> coastline.
>>>
>>> I've uploaded the data for the island, here's a link to the area :
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=19.318031414701732&lon=121.45548518653908&zoom=12&layers=B000F000F
>>
>> Calayan Island! Home of the endemic newly discovered bird Calayan
>> Rail.  Yeah that looks nice.  Please update as many islands as you
>> can.  We just need to be careful with
>>  uploading large areas.  We might
>> break into other contributor's work.  AFAIK, metro manila coast has
>> been edited already from Yahoo!, so the PGS would be useless there, as
>> well as in Davao.
>>
>> cheers,
>> maning
>>
>>> I'll delete the original coastline, and fix the new one when
>> you've had a
>>> look.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ian
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 19/9/08, maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Correcting Philippine coastlines
>>> To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>> Date: Friday, 19 September, 2008, 2:09 AM
>>>
>>> Thanks for the lakewalker tip!  I didn't get it to work before, but
>>> now it's working quite fine for the lakes I'm currently processing
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Ian Haylock
>>>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>  also just remembered when I was fixing the coastlines last year,
>> some
>>> of
>>>> it was much better quality than the srtm coastline as it used the
>> Almien
>>>> Coastlines script.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Almien_coastlines_(PGS)#Identifying_coastline_data
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping someone would finish uploading all the coastline.
>> Don't
>>> know if
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