Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
So the idea is that evacuation centers are marked in OSM and additional, time-sensitive data are linked externally to these features? On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:58 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Very interesting discussions, which I think will be very helpful for many DRR managers. One thing I would like to clarify: For DRR managers, they need to be aware of the quality and capacity of evacuation centers categorized according to: * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available These points were discussed during one of our meetings with the LGU's DRRM officials, The context of the discussion was, beyond the location of the evacuation_center what other information are needed by locals and responders during a crisis? It was not the intention to add and maintain such information within OSM. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:20 PM, FredMoine f_mo...@cartong.org wrote: Dear All, For me it is an interesting topic that we had to manage in DRR But the crucial question will be Who maintain the database, if we put in OSM, it means that every 6 months or year somebody is going to do a survey and update Our a team (call center), contributor are in charge to update those informations. It will dangerous to have it in OSM without any update and perhaps an option should be to access to an external database. All the best FredM Le 04/06/2014 19:25, Eugene Alvin Villar a écrit : On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: for the meantime we added the tag: evacuation_center=yes. Surely this should be evacuation_centre=yes? ;) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
Dear everyone, Just a brief update on the status of mapping with LGUs in Pampanga. If you have been monitoring the edits recently, you will notice that the Municipality of Guagua is getting a lot of edits recently specifically on adding building. The DRRM Office have several volunteer students doing both armchair and field mapping. Being newbies, you will notice that the edits needs further improvement. I visited them last week to orient the students on the proper mapping conventions. We are also using the tasking manager to divide the tasks efficiently and avoid overlaps. The task used is here: http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/331 Another discussion we had last week was how to tag public facilities that serves as evacuation centers during a crisis. These are usually schools, barangay halls, etc., for the meantime we added the tag: evacuation_center=yes. A sample of this features are here: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/3DL Do you think this is the appropriate tag? Let's discuss. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
Hi Maning, I guess the determining factor is who will be using the data. If it is responders in an emergency, all they really need is the location they can plug into a gps and maybe a people capacity so they know what they are dealing with If it is end users (public), the more detailed aspect becomes debatable. You do not want people going to the wrong evacuation center for the wrong emergency. That would be disastrous. I think the tagging is great, but maybe should only be rendered on maps specific to disaster relief efforts. As it is, it is unlikely to be rendered on the new OSM Carto, so including the information will do no harm, but could make it available to organizations who need it. Manin, I think your points * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available are crucial to responders and would be incredibly useful for responders in a disaster in the future. Pierre, could this be proposed and rendered under the HOT Carto scheme? Cheers Mark Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:45 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mark, I guess the question is, are there different types of evacuation centers?? I am not sure. If a school is in a low zone is it appropriate for a Tsunami?? I guess GuaGua will not have any Tsunami Evacuation Centers, but will have earthquake, volcano, lahar flows, etc. Should they be tagged for the type of disaster they are intended for, or are they generic Good point. As what we always discuss to our DRR partners, not all evacuation centers are the same. For DRR managers, they need to be aware of the quality and capacity of evacuation centers categorized according to: * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available But for now, I am not sure if this should be included in OSM. Lastly, would it be appropriate to include contact details for the different services?? Hard to maintain unless the relief agencies do it them selves .. Unless it is an official contact number like Davao's 911 or Pasig's DRR Command Center, I don't think it should be in OSM. This is more appropriate for the LGU's DRRM Office to maintain as an internal db. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
Mark Effectively, we dont tag for the renderer and have to thinkabout the audiences (public and humanitarian organizations) and which tool / layer to give rapid access to this information in crisis context. Wireless solutions could be interesting. Then, is it possible to integrate this in existing OSM products such as OSMAnd, OSMTracker, etc ? Manning proposition about the various aspects provides significant information. I think that this is a good basis to start thinking about this. About the humanitarian Style, I am not sure that this is the place. There are many POI's and trying to add an evacuation center over this would add confusion. Also, I dont think that this would be the best option to locate rapidly the evacuation centers. If a Tsunami arize, we need this information to be available at this crucial moment. Thematic maps could be useful for both the public and the humanitarian organizations. But in case of emergencies, a wireless application that show you the way to the nearest evacuation center would be the best I think. It would be interesting to discuss all of this on the HOT IRC or a specific one for Philippines. We had such discussions for the Mali Activation in 2013. OCHA and the clusters participated to weekly discussions about various subjects like this. This is a good way to progress and motivate OSM contributors and humanitarian about working together. Pierre De : Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com À : maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc : osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org; aldwin_mallari2000 aldwin_mallari2...@yahoo.com Envoyé le : Mercredi 4 juin 2014 8h20 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers Hi Maning, I guess the determining factor is who will be using the data. If it is responders in an emergency, all they really need is the location they can plug into a gps and maybe a people capacity so they know what they are dealing with If it is end users (public), the more detailed aspect becomes debatable. You do not want people going to the wrong evacuation center for the wrong emergency. That would be disastrous. I think the tagging is great, but maybe should only be rendered on maps specific to disaster relief efforts. As it is, it is unlikely to be rendered on the new OSM Carto, so including the information will do no harm, but could make it available to organizations who need it. Manin, I think your points * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available are crucial to responders and would be incredibly useful for responders in a disaster in the future. Pierre, could this be proposed and rendered under the HOT Carto scheme? Cheers Mark Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap See me on LinkedIn See me on StackExchange === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:45 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mark, I guess the question is, are there different types of evacuation centers?? I am not sure. If a school is in a low zone is it appropriate for a Tsunami?? I guess GuaGua will not have any Tsunami Evacuation Centers, but will have earthquake, volcano, lahar flows, etc. Should they be tagged for the type of disaster they are intended for, or are they generic Good point. As what we always discuss to our DRR partners, not all evacuation centers are the same. For DRR managers, they need to be aware of the quality and capacity of evacuation centers categorized according to: * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available But for now, I am not sure if this should be included in OSM. Lastly, would it be appropriate to include contact details for the different services?? Hard to maintain unless the relief agencies do it them selves .. Unless it is an official contact number like Davao's 911 or Pasig's DRR Command Center, I don't think it should be in OSM. This is more appropriate for the LGU's DRRM Office to maintain as an internal db. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all
Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
HI all, Just to reiterate Chad's points, finding a way to tag evacuation shelters would be a huge step for humanitarian uses of GIS. The Red Cross would definitely use that data and in fact already has plans to contribute such data on the drawing board. A few thoughts on the specific tagging schema: 1. Noting which type of disaster the center is meant for would be great. 2. Structural integrity is really based on analysis of other factors that are already presently included in OSM, like height, construction materials, etc. Perhaps we need to stick to those and let integrity be assessed elsewhere? 3. # of evacuees would be huge 4. Length of time is hard to estimate, but perhaps stockpiles of equipment could be marked? With a simple taxonomy like high / medium / low / none. Cheers, Robert On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Chad Blevins cblev...@usaid.gov wrote: Dear Manning, Mark, and Pierre, Determining a systematic way to capture emergency shelters is a much needed within OSM. One common challenge is that is many parts of the world emergency shelters serve other purposes such as places of worship or community centers, so they might already be tagged with what they are used for on a daily basis. I'm not sure the best way to tag buildings with multiple functions but I'll keep an eye on this thread and look for an answer. We are currently looking into mapping emergency shelters in a few other countries and I've been contemplating this same issue. Regards, Chad On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Mark Effectively, we dont tag for the renderer and have to think about the audiences (public and humanitarian organizations) and which tool / layer to give rapid access to this information in crisis context. Wireless solutions could be interesting. Then, is it possible to integrate this in existing OSM products such as OSMAnd, OSMTracker, etc ? Manning proposition about the various aspects provides significant information. I think that this is a good basis to start thinking about this. About the humanitarian Style, I am not sure that this is the place. There are many POI's and trying to add an evacuation center over this would add confusion. Also, I dont think that this would be the best option to locate rapidly the evacuation centers. If a Tsunami arize, we need this information to be available at this crucial moment. Thematic maps could be useful for both the public and the humanitarian organizations. But in case of emergencies, a wireless application that show you the way to the nearest evacuation center would be the best I think. It would be interesting to discuss all of this on the HOT IRC or a specific one for Philippines. We had such discussions for the Mali Activation in 2013. OCHA and the clusters participated to weekly discussions about various subjects like this. This is a good way to progress and motivate OSM contributors and humanitarian about working together. Pierre -- *De :* Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com *À :* maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com *Cc :* osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org; aldwin_mallari2000 aldwin_mallari2...@yahoo.com *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 4 juin 2014 8h20 *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers Hi Maning, I guess the determining factor is who will be using the data. If it is responders in an emergency, all they really need is the location they can plug into a gps and maybe a people capacity so they know what they are dealing with If it is end users (public), the more detailed aspect becomes debatable. You do not want people going to the wrong evacuation center for the wrong emergency. That would be disastrous. I think the tagging is great, but maybe should only be rendered on maps specific to disaster relief efforts. As it is, it is unlikely to be rendered on the new OSM Carto, so including the information will do no harm, but could make it available to organizations who need it. Manin, I think your points * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available are crucial to responders and would be incredibly useful for responders in a disaster in the future. Pierre, could this be proposed and rendered under the HOT Carto scheme? Cheers Mark Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged
Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
Dear Manning, Mark, and Pierre, Determining a systematic way to capture emergency shelters is a much needed within OSM. One common challenge is that is many parts of the world emergency shelters serve other purposes such as places of worship or community centers, so they might already be tagged with what they are used for on a daily basis. I'm not sure the best way to tag buildings with multiple functions but I'll keep an eye on this thread and look for an answer. We are currently looking into mapping emergency shelters in a few other countries and I've been contemplating this same issue. Regards, Chad On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Mark Effectively, we dont tag for the renderer and have to think about the audiences (public and humanitarian organizations) and which tool / layer to give rapid access to this information in crisis context. Wireless solutions could be interesting. Then, is it possible to integrate this in existing OSM products such as OSMAnd, OSMTracker, etc ? Manning proposition about the various aspects provides significant information. I think that this is a good basis to start thinking about this. About the humanitarian Style, I am not sure that this is the place. There are many POI's and trying to add an evacuation center over this would add confusion. Also, I dont think that this would be the best option to locate rapidly the evacuation centers. If a Tsunami arize, we need this information to be available at this crucial moment. Thematic maps could be useful for both the public and the humanitarian organizations. But in case of emergencies, a wireless application that show you the way to the nearest evacuation center would be the best I think. It would be interesting to discuss all of this on the HOT IRC or a specific one for Philippines. We had such discussions for the Mali Activation in 2013. OCHA and the clusters participated to weekly discussions about various subjects like this. This is a good way to progress and motivate OSM contributors and humanitarian about working together. Pierre -- *De :* Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com *À :* maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com *Cc :* osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org; aldwin_mallari2000 aldwin_mallari2...@yahoo.com *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 4 juin 2014 8h20 *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers Hi Maning, I guess the determining factor is who will be using the data. If it is responders in an emergency, all they really need is the location they can plug into a gps and maybe a people capacity so they know what they are dealing with If it is end users (public), the more detailed aspect becomes debatable. You do not want people going to the wrong evacuation center for the wrong emergency. That would be disastrous. I think the tagging is great, but maybe should only be rendered on maps specific to disaster relief efforts. As it is, it is unlikely to be rendered on the new OSM Carto, so including the information will do no harm, but could make it available to organizations who need it. Manin, I think your points * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available are crucial to responders and would be incredibly useful for responders in a disaster in the future. Pierre, could this be proposed and rendered under the HOT Carto scheme? Cheers Mark Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:45 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mark, I guess the question is, are there different types of evacuation centers?? I am not sure. If a school is in a low zone is it appropriate for a Tsunami?? I guess GuaGua will not have any Tsunami Evacuation Centers, but will have earthquake, volcano, lahar flows, etc. Should they be tagged for the type of disaster they are intended for, or are they generic Good point. As what we always discuss to our DRR partners, not all
Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: for the meantime we added the tag: evacuation_center=yes. Surely this should be evacuation_centre=yes? ;) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
Dear All, For me it is an interesting topic that we had to manage in DRR But the crucial question will be Who maintain the database, if we put in OSM, it means that every 6 months or year somebody is going to do a survey and update Our a team (call center), contributor are in charge to update those informations. It will dangerous to have it in OSM without any update and perhaps an option should be to access to an external database. All the best FredM Le 04/06/2014 19:25, Eugene Alvin Villar a écrit : On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: for the meantime we added the tag: evacuation_center=yes. Surely this should be evacuation_centre=yes? ;) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Guagua mapping progress and tagging evacuation centers
Very interesting discussions, which I think will be very helpful for many DRR managers. One thing I would like to clarify: For DRR managers, they need to be aware of the quality and capacity of evacuation centers categorized according to: * type of disaster * structural integrity * number of evacuees it can accommodate * length of time of the evacuees to stay depending on the resources available These points were discussed during one of our meetings with the LGU's DRRM officials, The context of the discussion was, beyond the location of the evacuation_center what other information are needed by locals and responders during a crisis? It was not the intention to add and maintain such information within OSM. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:20 PM, FredMoine f_mo...@cartong.org wrote: Dear All, For me it is an interesting topic that we had to manage in DRR But the crucial question will be Who maintain the database, if we put in OSM, it means that every 6 months or year somebody is going to do a survey and update Our a team (call center), contributor are in charge to update those informations. It will dangerous to have it in OSM without any update and perhaps an option should be to access to an external database. All the best FredM Le 04/06/2014 19:25, Eugene Alvin Villar a écrit : On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: for the meantime we added the tag: evacuation_center=yes. Surely this should be evacuation_centre=yes? ;) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
