Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

We can use the new Changeset Discussion feature for this. Instead of
sending a PM to the user, just leave a friendly comment on their
latest changeset. :-)

I think we should create a standard template for welcoming new PH
users. Here are some examples of what this message can contain
according to other veteran OSM users:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/New_User_Welcome_Message

For us, I think we can go with the following rough outline:

1. Thank the user for their edits in 
2. Inform them about beginner guides[1] and getting help[2].
Or they can send messages to any other user who welcomes them on
the changeset discussion
3. Invite them to join the OSM Philippines online community by pointing to:
a. this talk-ph mailing list[3]
b. the OSM Philippines Facebook page[4]
c. the OSM Philippines wiki page[5]

[1] http://learnosm.org
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/help
[3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[4] https://www.facebook.com/OSMPH
[5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines

What do you all think?

~Eugene


On 10/26/14, maning sambale  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers as I
> stumble into their edits.  I think this is a good strategy to inform
> the mappers that:
> 1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated;
> 2. they can ask questions if they want to.
>
> In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the message.  Most of
> the times, I don't get a response.
>
> I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as well.
> Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm new users
> with unsolicited messages.
>
> Swiss OSM do this too [0].  If you want to know the new editors in the
> PH you can check this page [1].  I think some of last week's new
> contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo.
>
> [0]  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
> [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines
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Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[maning sambale]

Dear Nick,

Replies inline.

> How to tag evacuation centers? How to add details (i.e. capacity,
> engineering details, roof type, etc)

Some of us use the tag evacuation_center/evacuation_centre to
building/facilities that serve as evacuation areas during crisis.
This is a very new tag and so far, I think it is only the Philippines
who is using this tag:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=evacuation

We can extend this further by adding additional tags, say
name=Rizal Elementary School
amenity=school
evacuation_center=yes
evacuation_center=flooding # used only for flooding,
etc.

> How best to tag Puroks/Sitio boundaries?
If you have the data, you can tag it as admin_level=12
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Administrative_boundaries

> How to tag the meeting place of a Purok/Sitio?
amenity=townhall?

> Is it possible to tag evacuation routes?
I'm not sure if OSM is the best place to do this, since this can vary
depending on the hazard
and the current situation during disasters.

In the Institute I work for, we do community DRR mapping.  We use OSM
road data as a reference
for evacuation routes and facilitate the process with the community to
identify best routes during emergencies,
but, we don't add it to OSM since it is only useful in their own context.

> Is it possible for NGOs/LGU to link private household data to OSM polygons,
> such as household economic indicators, or tax mapping codes, and maintain
> this data in a private database?
We don't add personal/household information in OSM.  As Robert
mentioned, this a good case to use HOT's
Separate Data Store.  This is a separate database you can host
internally but links to the OSM geometry for example buildings.
Details here: https://github.com/hotosm/sds-server

> How to tag LGU designated command posts?
Maybe an extension of the evacuation_center tag?

> How to tag relocation sites planned/in progress from NGOs and LGUs?
landuse=brownfield if under construction and later landuse=residential

> How to handle the fact that NAMRIA Barangay boundaries differ from local
> practices?
Personally, I prefer locally identified boundaries (community
identified or LGU) over NAMRIA.
I've witnessed many instances where NAMRIA boundaries does not reflect
reality on the ground even with municipal admin_boundaries.

> How to tag internet cafes?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Computer_.26_Electronics_.2F_Telecom_.2F_Mobile_Accessories

> How to tag cellphone and radio towers?
man_made=tower
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dtower

> How to tag rural health units?
amenity=clinic
clinic=public
name=

> Those are some of the questions that have come up in the last couple weeks
> for us.
Hope that answers some of your inquires.


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Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[maning sambale]

> A question raised during our workshops, which was also about the mapping of
> critical infrastructure, was tagging emergency buildings that are used as an
> evacuation center during an emergency, could be normal school buildings,
> what kind of tags do you usually use for these objects? I could not find
> them in the mapping conventions for the Philippines or in the Int. feature
> list.
Will respond to this in the other mail by Nick.

> Regarding the mailing list, I think both the international as the Philippine
> based lists are really useful! I was wondering if regarding Q&A's a message
> board could be more effective, that could prevent newbies like me from
> asking the same questions every now or then:). I found this
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org, maybe we can also use this one for mapping
> in the Philippines?
You've raised an important concern regarding communications
(especially to newbies) related to PH mapping related questions.
By default, we use this mailinglist and the wiki, but, as you've said
(including others who pointed out this as well), sometimes,
mailinglist is not the best way for newbie mappers.  Mailinglist seems
to be too geeky for most people.

Personally, I get a lot of OSM questions from the osm messaging
facility, direct email and facebook messages
Should we revive the discussion again to use the forums?

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Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[Robert Banick]

Hi Nick,

You should check out the private data store pioneered by HOT in Indonesia.
That was used to link private household data to OSM polygons. We're looking
to do something similar with American Red Cross data -- still at the
whiteboard stage though.

Cheers,
Robert

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Nick Brown  wrote:

> Hi Arnoud et al,
> I also had some similar questions I'd been noting down. Perhaps in the Ph
> Wiki Conventions page we could add a specific section discussing mapping
> for DRR & critical infrastructure tags?
>
>
>- How to tag evacuation centers? How to add details (i.e. capacity,
>engineering details, roof type, etc)
>- How best to tag Puroks/Sitio boundaries?
>- How to tag the meeting place of a Purok/Sitio?
>- Is it possible to tag evacuation routes?
>- Is it possible for NGOs/LGU to link private household data to OSM
>polygons, such as household economic indicators, or tax mapping codes, and
>maintain this data in a private database?
>- How to tag LGU designated command posts?
>- How to tag relocation sites planned/in progress from NGOs and LGUs?
>- How to handle the fact that NAMRIA Barangay boundaries differ from
>local practices?
>- How to tag internet cafes?
>- How to tag cellphone and radio towers?
>- How to tag rural health units?
>
> Those are some of the questions that have come up in the last couple weeks
> for us.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Arnoud Keizer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Maning and others,
>>
>> Thanks for the welcome remarks :) I joined the Phil. OSM mailinglist also
>> recently. The last month I conducted several OSM introduction and hands-on
>> workshops, together with staff of NOAH and VSO Bahaginan. We did 3
>> introduction workshops on OSM-critical infrastructure-impactanalysis and 5
>> hands-on trainings for OSM in Samar, Cebu and Bohol.
>>
>> A question raised during our workshops, which was also about the mapping
>> of critical infrastructure, was tagging emergency buildings that are used
>> as an evacuation center during an emergency, could be normal school
>> buildings, what kind of tags do you usually use for these objects? I could
>> not find them in the mapping conventions for the Philippines or in the Int.
>> feature list.
>>
>> Regarding the mailing list, I think both the international as the
>> Philippine based lists are really useful! I was wondering if regarding
>> Q&A's a message board could be more effective, that could prevent newbies
>> like me from asking the same questions every now or then:). I found this
>> http://forum.openstreetmap.org, maybe we can also use this one for
>> mapping in the Philippines?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Arnoud Keizer
>> *VSO volunteer for project DREAM  *
>> Tel. *+63 9172405489*
>> E-mail. a.j.kei...@gmail.com
>> Blog. halo-halo.waarbenjij.nu
>>
>> Let's use *OpenStreetMap* , 'cause proper
>> maps can save lives!
>>
>> 2014-10-26 22:05 GMT+08:00 maning sambale :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers as I
>>> stumble into their edits.  I think this is a good strategy to inform
>>> the mappers that:
>>> 1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated;
>>> 2. they can ask questions if they want to.
>>>
>>> In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the message.  Most of
>>> the times, I don't get a response.
>>>
>>> I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as well.
>>> Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm new users
>>> with unsolicited messages.
>>>
>>> Swiss OSM do this too [0].  If you want to know the new editors in the
>>> PH you can check this page [1].  I think some of last week's new
>>> contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo.
>>>
>>> [0]  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
>>> [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines
>>> --
>>> cheers,
>>> maning
>>> --
>>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
>>> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
>>> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[Nick Brown]

Hi Arnoud et al,
I also had some similar questions I'd been noting down. Perhaps in the Ph
Wiki Conventions page we could add a specific section discussing mapping
for DRR & critical infrastructure tags?


   - How to tag evacuation centers? How to add details (i.e. capacity,
   engineering details, roof type, etc)
   - How best to tag Puroks/Sitio boundaries?
   - How to tag the meeting place of a Purok/Sitio?
   - Is it possible to tag evacuation routes?
   - Is it possible for NGOs/LGU to link private household data to OSM
   polygons, such as household economic indicators, or tax mapping codes, and
   maintain this data in a private database?
   - How to tag LGU designated command posts?
   - How to tag relocation sites planned/in progress from NGOs and LGUs?
   - How to handle the fact that NAMRIA Barangay boundaries differ from
   local practices?
   - How to tag internet cafes?
   - How to tag cellphone and radio towers?
   - How to tag rural health units?

Those are some of the questions that have come up in the last couple weeks
for us.

Cheers,
Nick

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Arnoud Keizer 
wrote:

> Hi Maning and others,
>
> Thanks for the welcome remarks :) I joined the Phil. OSM mailinglist also
> recently. The last month I conducted several OSM introduction and hands-on
> workshops, together with staff of NOAH and VSO Bahaginan. We did 3
> introduction workshops on OSM-critical infrastructure-impactanalysis and 5
> hands-on trainings for OSM in Samar, Cebu and Bohol.
>
> A question raised during our workshops, which was also about the mapping
> of critical infrastructure, was tagging emergency buildings that are used
> as an evacuation center during an emergency, could be normal school
> buildings, what kind of tags do you usually use for these objects? I could
> not find them in the mapping conventions for the Philippines or in the Int.
> feature list.
>
> Regarding the mailing list, I think both the international as the
> Philippine based lists are really useful! I was wondering if regarding
> Q&A's a message board could be more effective, that could prevent newbies
> like me from asking the same questions every now or then:). I found this
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org, maybe we can also use this one for
> mapping in the Philippines?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Arnoud Keizer
> *VSO volunteer for project DREAM  *
> Tel. *+63 9172405489*
> E-mail. a.j.kei...@gmail.com
> Blog. halo-halo.waarbenjij.nu
>
> Let's use *OpenStreetMap* , 'cause proper
> maps can save lives!
>
> 2014-10-26 22:05 GMT+08:00 maning sambale :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers as I
>> stumble into their edits.  I think this is a good strategy to inform
>> the mappers that:
>> 1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated;
>> 2. they can ask questions if they want to.
>>
>> In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the message.  Most of
>> the times, I don't get a response.
>>
>> I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as well.
>> Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm new users
>> with unsolicited messages.
>>
>> Swiss OSM do this too [0].  If you want to know the new editors in the
>> PH you can check this page [1].  I think some of last week's new
>> contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo.
>>
>> [0]  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
>> [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines
>> --
>> cheers,
>> maning
>> --
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>> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
>> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[Arnoud Keizer]

Hi Maning and others,

Thanks for the welcome remarks :) I joined the Phil. OSM mailinglist also
recently. The last month I conducted several OSM introduction and hands-on
workshops, together with staff of NOAH and VSO Bahaginan. We did 3
introduction workshops on OSM-critical infrastructure-impactanalysis and 5
hands-on trainings for OSM in Samar, Cebu and Bohol.

A question raised during our workshops, which was also about the mapping of
critical infrastructure, was tagging emergency buildings that are used as
an evacuation center during an emergency, could be normal school buildings,
what kind of tags do you usually use for these objects? I could not find
them in the mapping conventions for the Philippines or in the Int. feature
list.

Regarding the mailing list, I think both the international as the
Philippine based lists are really useful! I was wondering if regarding
Q&A's a message board could be more effective, that could prevent newbies
like me from asking the same questions every now or then:). I found this
http://forum.openstreetmap.org, maybe we can also use this one for mapping
in the Philippines?

Best wishes,

Arnoud Keizer
*VSO volunteer for project DREAM  *
Tel. *+63 9172405489*
E-mail. a.j.kei...@gmail.com
Blog. halo-halo.waarbenjij.nu

Let's use *OpenStreetMap* , 'cause proper
maps can save lives!

2014-10-26 22:05 GMT+08:00 maning sambale :

> Hi,
>
> Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers as I
> stumble into their edits.  I think this is a good strategy to inform
> the mappers that:
> 1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated;
> 2. they can ask questions if they want to.
>
> In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the message.  Most of
> the times, I don't get a response.
>
> I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as well.
> Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm new users
> with unsolicited messages.
>
> Swiss OSM do this too [0].  If you want to know the new editors in the
> PH you can check this page [1].  I think some of last week's new
> contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo.
>
> [0]  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
> [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines
> --
> cheers,
> maning
> --
> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[maning sambale]

Thanks Totor.  So we have a "welcoming committee member" in Cebu. :)
What about other areas?

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Totor  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I usually send a welcome message to new mappers in Cebu
> (I stopped monitoring Bohol a long time ago), but only if the
> user has several edits over some days/weeks.
> I always though it might feel creepy if you receive a welcome
> message, as soon as you do your first edit.
> This makes that I did not send that many (around 10 I guess
> since I started mapping) but I had feedback from about half
> of them.
>
> I generally thank them for helping in Cebu (there are not
> many mappers here) and tell they can ask me or the mailing
> list (with link) for help/answers, and add links to the ph and
> main map features page.
> If there are big or repeating problems with the edits,
> I also add a comment on how I would map that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Totor
>
> --------
> On Sun, 10/26/14, maning sambale  wrote:
>
>  Subject: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers
>  To: "osm-ph"
>  Date: Sunday, October 26, 2014, 10:05 PM
>
>  Hi,
>
>  Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers
>  as I
>  stumble into their edits.  I think this is a good
>  strategy to inform
>  the mappers that:
>  1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated;
>  2. they can ask questions if they want to.
>
>  In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the
>  message.  Most of
>  the times, I don't get a response.
>
>  I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as
>  well.
>  Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm
>  new users
>  with unsolicited messages.
>
>  Swiss OSM do this too [0].  If you want to know the new
>  editors in the
>  PH you can check this page [1].  I think some of last
>  week's new
>  contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo.
>
>  [0]  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
>  [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines
>  --
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>  maning
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Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[Totor]

Hi,

I usually send a welcome message to new mappers in Cebu 
(I stopped monitoring Bohol a long time ago), but only if the 
user has several edits over some days/weeks.
I always though it might feel creepy if you receive a welcome 
message, as soon as you do your first edit.
This makes that I did not send that many (around 10 I guess
since I started mapping) but I had feedback from about half 
of them.

I generally thank them for helping in Cebu (there are not 
many mappers here) and tell they can ask me or the mailing 
list (with link) for help/answers, and add links to the ph and 
main map features page. 
If there are big or repeating problems with the edits, 
I also add a comment on how I would map that.

Cheers,

Totor


On Sun, 10/26/14, maning sambale  wrote:

 Subject: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers
 To: "osm-ph"
 Date: Sunday, October 26, 2014, 10:05 PM
 
 Hi,
 
 Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers
 as I
 stumble into their edits.  I think this is a good
 strategy to inform
 the mappers that:
 1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated;
 2. they can ask questions if they want to.
 
 In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the
 message.  Most of
 the times, I don't get a response.
 
 I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as
 well.
 Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm
 new users
 with unsolicited messages.
 
 Swiss OSM do this too [0].  If you want to know the new
 editors in the
 PH you can check this page [1].  I think some of last
 week's new
 contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo.
 
 [0]  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
 [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines
 -- 
 cheers,
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[talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers

[maning sambale]

Hi,

Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers as I
stumble into their edits.  I think this is a good strategy to inform
the mappers that:
1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated;
2. they can ask questions if they want to.

In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the message.  Most of
the times, I don't get a response.

I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as well.
Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm new users
with unsolicited messages.

Swiss OSM do this too [0].  If you want to know the new editors in the
PH you can check this page [1].  I think some of last week's new
contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo.

[0]  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124
[1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines
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