Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[maning sambale]

Dear everyone,

As a follow-up on this discussion.  ESSC in partnership with the
Humanitarian OSM Team, OSM Indonesia and WB will kickstart this idea.

The general plan is:
1. Develop a trainors training manual by consolidating existing
materials and experiences from previous training activities in teh
Philippines and Indonesia.
2. Run a TOT workshop for groups and individual interested to be a an
OSM trainor/facilitator.

More details soon.  Of course, we invite the whole community to
participate both in the development of the materials and the test run
itself.
Resources are limited for the test run training so if there a groups
interested to pool in resources do let us know.

Timeline: May-June 2014.

More ideas welcome.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Robert Banick  wrote:
> Hi Maning et al,
>
> The American Red Cross would love to partner with OSM-PH on any trainings we
> develop and conduct. We've done OSM trainings before elsewhere and have some
> materials and approaches that we can pull across to the Philippines. If
> anything the Philippines is easier because English fluency is much higher
> than many places we go.
>
> We're on the verge of submitting our formal plan to get this done and then
> we'll be working out the resourcing, so it could be some months.
>
> One thing we try to do within the Red Cross is connect OSM to projects or
> activities that National Societies do on a regular basis. This helps ensure
> that the training gets used. We need to talk with the Philippines Red Cross
> and identify some high-value use cases that we can plug OSM into. Dale might
> be able to contribute more thoughts on that.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:41 AM, maning sambale 
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear everyone,
>>
>> Great discussion!
>>
>> First, coming from a 4-day road trip from Leyte and Samar for our
>> internal assessment ~3 months after Yolanda, remote training is not
>> really the best option.
>> In many areas, 3g connection is non-existent so, we need to find ways
>> on how to do on site training under these conditions especially for
>> LGUs interested to use OSM.
>>
>> Let me try to summarize the action points.  From the thread I see the
>> following activites we need to do.
>>
>> 1. Create a suite of materials for promotion and lightning talks about
>> OSM.  This will be used as basic intro to OSM, whenever a group
>> invites us to speak.
>> I created a stub github repo for this [0].  Feel free to add slides,
>> brochures and whatever materials you think is useful.
>>
>> 2. Design a training/workshop package which OSM trainors can use.
>> Possible content/module can be:
>>  - Basic overview to OSM
>>  - Basic data collection and editing workflow
>>  - Specific modules on using OSM depending on use cases (i.e. LGU,
>> NGO, DRR, etc.)
>>
>> We (essc) have already developed an initial training design and
>> materials for our Pampanga project.  We can use this as an initial
>> draft of the modules.
>> We also have learnosm.org as another resource.  A major topic
>> mentioned here is how to collect data using smartphones, maybe this
>> will be one major content we need develop.
>>
>> HOT-Id have more experience in doing OSM trainings, perhaps we can do
>> knowledge sharing with them as we develop the design and content?
>> @Kate, how can we do this?  What resources is needed?
>>
>> American Red Cross is also planning to do OSM trainings. @Robert, any
>> possibilities on developing this together with OSM-PH?
>>
>> 3. Run a trainors training/workshop to interested OSM trainors.
>>
>> 4. Design a communication protocol to remotely support either the
>> local trainors or the participants after the conduct of training
>> (options mentioned are skype, mumble, teamviewer).  Or do follow-up
>> visits if possible?
>>
>> Sounds like a plan!  Please add anything I missed.
>>
>> [0] https://github.com/OSMPH/promo_materials
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Mark Cupitt  wrote:
>> >
>> > Kate, I think that once the relationship has been built, that followup
>> > using tools like TeamViewer is very practical. That app  has a some great
>> > features, including group sessions, and is free for non commercial use, nd 
>> > I
>> > am sure there is other alternatives out there just as good.. We have used
>> > Teamviewer as a training and support aid over the past year, but generally
>> > after face to face sessions are done. being able to put a face to the 
>> > person
>> > on the other end of a remote session is still important IMHO
>> >
>> > This leads into the next obvious step where the trainer becomes the
>> > Mentor to a group of people. In the HOT environment, this person could
>> > become the verifier for work done by his group, etc as the connection
>> > between individuals has already been made and feedback on standards for
>> > tagging can be easily communicated
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Mark Cupitt
>> >
>> > "If we change the world, let it bea

Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Robert Banick]

Hi Maning *et al*,

The American Red Cross would love to partner with OSM-PH on any trainings
we develop and conduct. We've done OSM trainings before elsewhere and have
some materials and approaches that we can pull across to the Philippines.
If anything the Philippines is easier because English fluency is much
higher than many places we go.

We're on the verge of submitting our formal plan to get this done and then
we'll be working out the resourcing, so it could be some months.

One thing we try to do within the Red Cross is connect OSM to projects or
activities that National Societies do on a regular basis. This helps ensure
that the training gets used. We need to talk with the Philippines Red Cross
and identify some high-value use cases that we can plug OSM into. Dale
might be able to contribute more thoughts on that.

Cheers,
Robert




On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:41 AM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Dear everyone,
>
> Great discussion!
>
> First, coming from a 4-day road trip from Leyte and Samar for our
> internal assessment ~3 months after Yolanda, remote training is not
> really the best option.
> In many areas, 3g connection is non-existent so, we need to find ways
> on how to do on site training under these conditions especially for
> LGUs interested to use OSM.
>
> Let me try to summarize the action points.  From the thread I see the
> following activites we need to do.
>
> 1. Create a suite of materials for promotion and lightning talks about
> OSM.  This will be used as basic intro to OSM, whenever a group
> invites us to speak.
> I created a stub github repo for this [0].  Feel free to add slides,
> brochures and whatever materials you think is useful.
>
> 2. Design a training/workshop package which OSM trainors can use.
> Possible content/module can be:
>  - Basic overview to OSM
>  - Basic data collection and editing workflow
>  - Specific modules on using OSM depending on use cases (i.e. LGU,
> NGO, DRR, etc.)
>
> We (essc) have already developed an initial training design and
> materials for our Pampanga project.  We can use this as an initial
> draft of the modules.
> We also have learnosm.org as another resource.  A major topic
> mentioned here is how to collect data using smartphones, maybe this
> will be one major content we need develop.
>
> HOT-Id have more experience in doing OSM trainings, perhaps we can do
> knowledge sharing with them as we develop the design and content?
> @Kate, how can we do this?  What resources is needed?
>
> American Red Cross is also planning to do OSM trainings. @Robert, any
> possibilities on developing this together with OSM-PH?
>
> 3. Run a trainors training/workshop to interested OSM trainors.
>
> 4. Design a communication protocol to remotely support either the
> local trainors or the participants after the conduct of training
> (options mentioned are skype, mumble, teamviewer).  Or do follow-up
> visits if possible?
>
> Sounds like a plan!  Please add anything I missed.
>
> [0] https://github.com/OSMPH/promo_materials
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Mark Cupitt  wrote:
> >
> > Kate, I think that once the relationship has been built, that followup
> using tools like TeamViewer is very practical. That app  has a some great
> features, including group sessions, and is free for non commercial use, nd
> I am sure there is other alternatives out there just as good.. We have used
> Teamviewer as a training and support aid over the past year, but generally
> after face to face sessions are done. being able to put a face to the
> person on the other end of a remote session is still important IMHO
> >
> > This leads into the next obvious step where the trainer becomes the
> Mentor to a group of people. In the HOT environment, this person could
> become the verifier for work done by his group, etc as the connection
> between individuals has already been made and feedback on standards for
> tagging can be easily communicated
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mark Cupitt
> >
> > "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
> >
> > See me on LinkedIn
> >
> > See me on StackExchange
> >
> >
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> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> We have faced similar challenged in Indonesia. Typically with our
> >> trainings someone runs the powerpoint and talks at the front but then
> >> 

Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[maning sambale]

Dear everyone,

Great discussion!

First, coming from a 4-day road trip from Leyte and Samar for our
internal assessment ~3 months after Yolanda, remote training is not
really the best option.
In many areas, 3g connection is non-existent so, we need to find ways
on how to do on site training under these conditions especially for
LGUs interested to use OSM.

Let me try to summarize the action points.  From the thread I see the
following activites we need to do.

1. Create a suite of materials for promotion and lightning talks about
OSM.  This will be used as basic intro to OSM, whenever a group
invites us to speak.
I created a stub github repo for this [0].  Feel free to add slides,
brochures and whatever materials you think is useful.

2. Design a training/workshop package which OSM trainors can use.
Possible content/module can be:
 - Basic overview to OSM
 - Basic data collection and editing workflow
 - Specific modules on using OSM depending on use cases (i.e. LGU,
NGO, DRR, etc.)

We (essc) have already developed an initial training design and
materials for our Pampanga project.  We can use this as an initial
draft of the modules.
We also have learnosm.org as another resource.  A major topic
mentioned here is how to collect data using smartphones, maybe this
will be one major content we need develop.

HOT-Id have more experience in doing OSM trainings, perhaps we can do
knowledge sharing with them as we develop the design and content?
@Kate, how can we do this?  What resources is needed?

American Red Cross is also planning to do OSM trainings. @Robert, any
possibilities on developing this together with OSM-PH?

3. Run a trainors training/workshop to interested OSM trainors.

4. Design a communication protocol to remotely support either the
local trainors or the participants after the conduct of training
(options mentioned are skype, mumble, teamviewer).  Or do follow-up
visits if possible?

Sounds like a plan!  Please add anything I missed.

[0] https://github.com/OSMPH/promo_materials


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Mark Cupitt  wrote:
>
> Kate, I think that once the relationship has been built, that followup using 
> tools like TeamViewer is very practical. That app  has a some great features, 
> including group sessions, and is free for non commercial use, nd I am sure 
> there is other alternatives out there just as good.. We have used Teamviewer 
> as a training and support aid over the past year, but generally after face to 
> face sessions are done. being able to put a face to the person on the other 
> end of a remote session is still important IMHO
>
> This leads into the next obvious step where the trainer becomes the Mentor to 
> a group of people. In the HOT environment, this person could become the 
> verifier for work done by his group, etc as the connection between 
> individuals has already been made and feedback on standards for tagging can 
> be easily communicated
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Cupitt
>
> "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
>
> See me on LinkedIn
>
> See me on StackExchange
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> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We have faced similar challenged in Indonesia. Typically with our
>> trainings someone runs the powerpoint and talks at the front but then
>> we have other trainers around the trainees looking for problems and
>> providing help. There are also times we break into small groups. The
>> small groups can sometimes be limited by the lack of a way to show
>> everyone the instructors screen though. Typically we try to use two
>> projectors (I know a luxury) one shows the slides on the topic and the
>> other walks people through what to actual click.
>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
>> > On 01/31/2014 09:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face
>> >> interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they
>> >> have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the 
>> >> lecture
>> >> is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask questions.
>> >> This kind of interaction would be hard to do online.
>> >
>> > Point taken about the reticence of audiences here. I've held a few meetings
>> > here myself where its really hard to get input ... which has be

Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Mark Cupitt]

Kate, I think that once the relationship has been built, that followup
using tools like TeamViewer is very practical. That app  has a some great
features, including group sessions, and is free for non commercial use, nd
I am sure there is other alternatives out there just as good.. We have used
Teamviewer as a training and support aid over the past year, but generally
after face to face sessions are done. being able to put a face to the
person on the other end of a remote session is still important IMHO

This leads into the next obvious step where the trainer becomes the Mentor
to a group of people. In the HOT environment, this person could become the
verifier for work done by his group, etc as the connection between
individuals has already been made and feedback on standards for tagging can
be easily communicated

Cheers
Mark



Regards

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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We have faced similar challenged in Indonesia. Typically with our
> trainings someone runs the powerpoint and talks at the front but then
> we have other trainers around the trainees looking for problems and
> providing help. There are also times we break into small groups. The
> small groups can sometimes be limited by the lack of a way to show
> everyone the instructors screen though. Typically we try to use two
> projectors (I know a luxury) one shows the slides on the topic and the
> other walks people through what to actual click.
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
> > On 01/31/2014 09:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face
> >> interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if
> they
> >> have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the
> lecture
> >> is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask
> questions.
> >> This kind of interaction would be hard to do online.
> >
> > Point taken about the reticence of audiences here. I've held a few
> meetings
> > here myself where its really hard to get input ... which has been the
> whole
> > purpose of the meeting! But I think the group chat might actually
> encourage
> > this. People actually seem to get braver when they're not putting their
> hand
> > up in a roomful of people. Basically as the presenter is demonstrating
> > something, questions appear in the group chat, and the presenter can
> address
> > them when its convenient. It actually seems to work quite well. There are
> > also options to send private messages by email which can be addressed in
> the
> > Q&A session.
>
> How do you think doing remote training where an in person connection
> has already been made? For example if participants had taken part in a
> one or two day beginner class, but then could remotely receive
> follow-up training? Perhaps having the initial face to face would
> help.
>
> Best,
>
> -Kate
>
>
> >
> > Anyway, just something to consider, and I'm just bouncing the idea
> around.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

We have faced similar challenged in Indonesia. Typically with our
trainings someone runs the powerpoint and talks at the front but then
we have other trainers around the trainees looking for problems and
providing help. There are also times we break into small groups. The
small groups can sometimes be limited by the lack of a way to show
everyone the instructors screen though. Typically we try to use two
projectors (I know a luxury) one shows the slides on the topic and the
other walks people through what to actual click.
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
> On 01/31/2014 09:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>>
>>
>> Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face
>> interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they
>> have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the lecture
>> is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask questions.
>> This kind of interaction would be hard to do online.
>
> Point taken about the reticence of audiences here. I've held a few meetings
> here myself where its really hard to get input ... which has been the whole
> purpose of the meeting! But I think the group chat might actually encourage
> this. People actually seem to get braver when they're not putting their hand
> up in a roomful of people. Basically as the presenter is demonstrating
> something, questions appear in the group chat, and the presenter can address
> them when its convenient. It actually seems to work quite well. There are
> also options to send private messages by email which can be addressed in the
> Q&A session.

How do you think doing remote training where an in person connection
has already been made? For example if participants had taken part in a
one or two day beginner class, but then could remotely receive
follow-up training? Perhaps having the initial face to face would
help.

Best,

-Kate


>
> Anyway, just something to consider, and I'm just bouncing the idea around.
>
> Jim
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Jim Morgan]

On 01/31/2014 09:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
But for real-time workshops and lectures, the problem would be the 
unreliable Internet connection.
I agree there would need to be a solid internet connection, but the 
bandwidth needed isn't that great, so interested parties would only need 
to get to a location where they could secure a reasonably reliable 
connection. In addition, a whole group of people could be sharing one 
client computer, so even if you're limited to 10 participants, that 
could be 10 small groups of people around the country.


The services I've used usually have some sort of slideshow presentation 
capability, have audio streaming for the presenter's voice, can do 
screen-sharing, for demonstrationg applications and techniques, and have 
a group chat facility where participants can ask questions. This all 
seems to work fine over a 1Mbit connection.




Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face 
interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if 
they have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after 
the lecture is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then 
ask questions. This kind of interaction would be hard to do online.
Point taken about the reticence of audiences here. I've held a few 
meetings here myself where its really hard to get input ... which has 
been the whole purpose of the meeting! But I think the group chat might 
actually encourage this. People actually seem to get braver when they're 
not putting their hand up in a roomful of people. Basically as the 
presenter is demonstrating something, questions appear in the group 
chat, and the presenter can address them when its convenient. It 
actually seems to work quite well. There are also options to send 
private messages by email which can be addressed in the Q&A session.


Anyway, just something to consider, and I'm just bouncing the idea around.

Jim

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[Mark Cupitt]

Eugene is 100% correct. I have conducted many training seminars in the
Philippines (previous life) and I have found that face to face is the most
effective. Additionally, it is a lot more effective with small groups. If
you had 20 participants, it would be better to split into two or three
smaller groups with separate trainers. The one on one personal interaction
is a lot more effective, team building is more effective and the transfer
of information and skills is more effective.

This is a cultural phenomenon . Most Filipinos are unwilling to ask
questions in a large group situation for fear of looking silly, unlike us
Aussies who have no fear of that (hee hee)

If I did have to present to larger groups, I always made myself available
afterwards for private questions. Generally there were a lot of people who
took up the opportunity or contacted me afterwards. It did detract form the
learning process.

The approach of a bigger Group for Introductions, splitting into smaller
groups for training and then bigger groups for closing also works well, or
simply conduct smaller groups on consecutive sessions and encourage
participants from earlier sessions to help in later sessions to reinforce
their learning. This is harder on the trainer, of course. If the
participants awe captive for a period of time, the groups finished could be
set a project to do whilst other sessions are on going.

Cheers

Mark


Regards

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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
>
>> maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM:
>>
>>  Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests
 into
 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of
 mappers who
 are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures,
 workshops, and
 tutorials.

>>>
>> Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or
>> demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical
>> location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and Q&A -
>> I've done a few of them on Online Security topics.
>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
>>
>
> For online tutorials and demos, I think just posting videos to YouTube
> would suffice. But for real-time workshops and lectures, the problem would
> be the unreliable Internet connection.
>
> Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face
> interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they
> have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the
> lecture is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask
> questions. This kind of interaction would be hard to do online.
>
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[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:

> maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM:
>
>  Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests
>>> into
>>> 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers
>>> who
>>> are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops,
>>> and
>>> tutorials.
>>>
>>
> Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or
> demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical
> location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and Q&A -
> I've done a few of them on Online Security topics.
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
>

For online tutorials and demos, I think just posting videos to YouTube
would suffice. But for real-time workshops and lectures, the problem would
be the unreliable Internet connection.

Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face
interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they
have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the
lecture is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask
questions. This kind of interaction would be hard to do online.
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[Ervin Malicdem]

I am primarily a field mapper who is more interested on mapping remote
islands and mountains for local tourism, navigation, and outdoor recreation.

I am based in Manila but I may be able to assist interested mapping
advocates who would like to do it on a "more challenging" terrain.



Ervin M.
*Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own
motherland.
http://www.s1expeditions.com


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> We are looking to do such training with humanitarians in various areas.
> Andrew started a project with MSF in Democratic Republic of Congo where we
> will train field teams.
>
> Let's keep coordinated and assure we develop tools that can be reused
> elsewhere.
>
> I suggest that we organize a meeting through Mumble with people interested
> by this subject to discuss and find ways to go on with these various
> trainings, adapted content to prepare, ways to train, including at distance.
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
>  *De :* Kate Chapman 
> *À :*
> *Cc :* osm-ph 
> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 30 janvier 2014 5h38
> *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let
> us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities.
>
> How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting
> some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in
> the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't
> have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist
> us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course
> would inquire here first if any such thing happened.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kate
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
> > maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM:
> >
> >>> Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests
> >>> into
> >>> 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of
> mappers
> >>> who
> >>> are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures,
> workshops,
> >>> and
> >>> tutorials.
> >
> >
> > Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or
> > demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical
> > location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and Q&A -
> > I've done a few of them on Online Security topics.
> >
> > Here are a couple
> >http://www.anymeeting.com/   (ad supported)
> >https://www.meetingburner.com/ (ten participants free)
> >
> > ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the
> paid
> > ones, which we could borrow for an hour?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Pierre Béland]

We are looking to do such training with humanitarians in various areas. Andrew 
started a project with MSF in Democratic Republic of Congo where we will train 
field teams. 

Let's keep coordinated and assure we develop tools that can be reused elsewhere.


I suggest that we organize a meeting through Mumble with people interested by 
this subject to discuss and find ways to go on with these various trainings, 
adapted content to prepare, ways to train, including at distance.

 
Pierre 




 De : Kate Chapman 
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Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 janvier 2014 5h38
Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
 

Hi All,

I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let
us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities.

How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting
some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in
the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't
have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist
us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course
would inquire here first if any such thing happened.

Thanks,

-Kate





On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
> maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM:
>
>>> Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests
>>> into
>>> 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers
>>> who
>>> are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops,
>>> and
>>> tutorials.
>
>
> Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or
> demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical
> location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and Q&A -
> I've done a few of them on Online Security topics.
>
> Here are a couple
>        http://www.anymeeting.com/   (ad supported)
>        https://www.meetingburner.com/  (ten participants free)
>
> ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid
> ones, which we could borrow for an hour?
>
> Jim
>
> --
>
>    datalude: information security
>    e: j...@datalude.com
>    Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939
>    Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392
>    w: http://www.datalude.com/
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let
us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities.

How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting
some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in
the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't
have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist
us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course
would inquire here first if any such thing happened.

Thanks,

-Kate





On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:
> maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM:
>
>>> Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests
>>> into
>>> 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers
>>> who
>>> are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops,
>>> and
>>> tutorials.
>
>
> Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or
> demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical
> location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and Q&A -
> I've done a few of them on Online Security topics.
>
> Here are a couple
> http://www.anymeeting.com/   (ad supported)
> https://www.meetingburner.com/  (ten participants free)
>
> ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid
> ones, which we could borrow for an hour?
>
> Jim
>
> --
>
>datalude: information security
>e: j...@datalude.com
>Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939
>Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392
>w: http://www.datalude.com/
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Jim Morgan]

maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM:

Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into
1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who
are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and
tutorials.


Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos 
online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes 
irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and Q&A - I've done a few of them 
on Online Security topics.

Here are a couple
http://www.anymeeting.com/   (ad supported)
https://www.meetingburner.com/  (ten participants free)

... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid 
ones, which we could borrow for an hour?

Jim

--

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   e: j...@datalude.com
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Mark Cupitt]

Hi Maning Hi Eugene

I would be happy to promote, lecture, run or assist in workshops on OSM,
especially in the light of crisis/disaster relief efforts.

I am based in Dumaguete so could respond in Negros, IloIlo and Cebu!

I am not an experienced on line mapper (more on the programming WMS/map and
database side), but am Ok with ID and at 50% on Josm, so would would be
better suited to the introductory stuff and basic workshops. Advanced
training could be handled by more experienced people (I would attend :)
probably)

Cheers

Mark



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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:40 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Dear Eugene,
>
> > Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests
> into
> > 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers
> who
> > are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops,
> and
> > tutorials.
> Yes, if there is a chance to consolidate the requests we can do that too.
> Even if there are no interested group of mappers outside of Manila, we
> also need to look
> for willing volunteers to travel if necessary.  I already got a
> message of interest for one willing to travel to Vis/Min.
>
>
> > I think it would also help if we can create a PDF (brochure?
> presentation?)
> > of some sort to provide to these requesting groups as a basic
> introduction
> > to OSM. If they would like to learn more, then we can proceed with
> > coordination.
> Agreed on this.  All my presentations are in
> http://slideshare.net/esambale if anyone wants them.
>
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[maning sambale]

Dear Eugene,

> Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into
> 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who
> are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and
> tutorials.
Yes, if there is a chance to consolidate the requests we can do that too.
Even if there are no interested group of mappers outside of Manila, we
also need to look
for willing volunteers to travel if necessary.  I already got a
message of interest for one willing to travel to Vis/Min.


> I think it would also help if we can create a PDF (brochure? presentation?)
> of some sort to provide to these requesting groups as a basic introduction
> to OSM. If they would like to learn more, then we can proceed with
> coordination.
Agreed on this.  All my presentations are in
http://slideshare.net/esambale if anyone wants them.


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Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi maning,

Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into
1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers
who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures,
workshops, and tutorials.

I think it would also help if we can create a PDF (brochure? presentation?)
of some sort to provide to these requesting groups as a basic introduction
to OSM. If they would like to learn more, then we can proceed with
coordination.

Eugene



On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:31 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Dear everyone,
>
> As you probably know OSM in the Philippines got a lot of media
> coverage and exposure because of our response to Typhoon
> Yolanda/Haiyan [0].  As result, there is tremendous interest in using
> OSM data to supplement the limited geospatial data in many areas for
> the recovery and rebuilding efforts by humanitarian agencies, aid
> organizations and local government units.
>
> The challenge we are facing now is how do we respond as the local OSM
> group in the Philippines.  There are several requests for OSM talks,
> training and workshops in several areas.  Some of us are trying to
> respond to these requests, but people interested in doing talks and
> workshops are very few.
>
> I'm writing this message for us to discuss how do we expand the pool
> of people who can and willing to do OSM workshops particularly for
> areas in Visayas and Mindanao.  I understand that for most of us, we
> just want to map and are not really comfortable with doing OSM talks
> (that is completely OK).  But for people interested, let's discuss
> here.  At the moment, request for OSM talks are:
>
> - General OSM overview - mostly for people/groups who are just
> interested to know what OSM is and how they can use the data
> - OSM training/workshops - for people/groups who wants to be a
> contributor or are interested in using OSM in specific domains and
> wants to use OM technology in data collection
>
> If you or your org is interested in doing this, how can we collaborate?
>
> What materials do you need? For our ESSC project, we used mostly
> learnosm.org
>
> Do you need a specific training module? Perhaps we can design one like:
>  - OSM for LGUs
>  - OSM for NGOs
>  - OSM for DRR
>  - OSM for whatever
>
> Do you need equipment?  We have a few GPS under the GPStoGO program
> [1] you can use, maybe we can ask for more units which you can use
> during trainings.
>
> Do you need some sort of trainor's training? Maybe we can organize
> workshops like that.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> My personal goal, is that whenever I get an email for an OSM
> invitation, I can direct the invitation to other OSM-PH volunteers
> particularly in areas out of my biking distance. ;)
>
> [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan
> [1]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/GPStogo_program
>
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[RK]

Hi Maning,

Do you need some sort of trainor's training? Maybe we can organize

> workshops like that.
>

I'm interested in this. I've used OSM but I'm not that confident of skills
and a training of trainors would at least ensure that the basics are
covered.


>
> Any other ideas?
>
> My personal goal, is that whenever I get an email for an OSM
> invitation, I can direct the invitation to other OSM-PH volunteers
> particularly in areas out of my biking distance. ;)
>
> [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan
> [1]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/GPStogo_program
>
> --
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> maning
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