Re: [Talk-transit] Bus routes in Málaga: Should we add "stop_area" relations?
the Tag:railway=stop, has some of the same issues. >Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:27 PM -05:00 from Jarek Piórkowski >: > >On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 13:17, Daniel Capilla < dcapil...@gmail.com > wrote: >> When we started mapping the bus routes in Málaga, Alan Grant and I came >> to the conclusion that it was not necessary to add "stop_area" relations >> due to the type of bus stops in Málaga, [2] where there are no actual >> stop areas (only a stop position in the own road and a pole on the >> sidewalk usually). >> >> Is that solution correct? Should we add "stop_area" relations at every >> bus stop position? I would have to create a lot of additional relations, >> only with the stop position and the platform features. I am not sure if >> that would be reasonable/useful for any purpose. What do you think? >> >> [2] >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES_talk:Rutas_de_bus_en_M%C3%A1laga#Uso_de_la_relaci.C3.B3n_.22stop_area.22 >> (in Spanish) >stop_area does not seem necessary for support in many popular OSM >transit data consumers (OsmAnd and öpnvkarte/openbusmap come to mind). >You probably don't have to add them unless something is really unclear >without it. In particular it doesn't seem very necessary for simple >cases like 2 stops on either side of the road. (It won't hurt, but >it's not necessary.) > >Reading through (autotranslated) wiki discussion, it does make some >sense that stop_area is more useful in areas where a number of >physical halt points share one ref ID. If that's not the case for you, >probably don't need to bother. > >--Jarek > >___ >Talk-transit mailing list >Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Bus routes in Málaga: Should we add "stop_area" relations?
Hi Daniel, If you would like to participate in a Hangout, I can explain to you how PT_Assistant can help you with this task. We can even do that in Spanish, si te gusta. Personally, I would also only map highway=bus_stop (with or without public_transport=platform) on nodes next to the highway, so no real need for stop_area relations. Polyglot On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:36 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-transit < talk-transit@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Jul 18, 2020, 19:17 by dcapil...@gmail.com: > > Hi! > > I'll try to check the bus routes in Malagá. [1] I haven't checked them for > a long time because I have been busy with other mapping tasks and because > there were many changes in the central area of Málaga. The bus routes > changed too often. Now it seems to be stabilizing, there are less and less > changes, and I thought it would be a good time to check the mapping. I'd > like to ask you something first. > > When we started mapping the bus routes in Málaga, Alan Grant and I came to > the conclusion that it was not necessary to add "stop_area" relations due > to the type of bus stops in Málaga, [2] where there are no actual stop > areas (only a stop position in the own road and a pole on the sidewalk > usually). > > Is that solution correct? Should we add "stop_area" relations at every bus > stop position? I would have to create a lot of additional relations, only > with the stop position and the platform features. I am not sure if that > would be reasonable/useful for any purpose. What do you think? > > highway=bus_stop node is typically sole useful and needed part of mapping > bus stop > > (additional tags on this node, starting from name are obviously useful) > > stop_position, stop_areas and so on are generally not useful, except > extremely rare cases > > I would rather map bus routes than and do other OSM mapping over pointless > duplicating > of information available thanks to highway=bus_stop > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Bus routes in Málaga: Should we add "stop_area" relations?
Jul 18, 2020, 19:17 by dcapil...@gmail.com: > Hi! > > I'll try to check the bus routes in Malagá. [1] I haven't checked them for a > long time because I have been busy with other mapping tasks and because there > were many changes in the central area of Málaga. The bus routes changed too > often. Now it seems to be stabilizing, there are less and less changes, and I > thought it would be a good time to check the mapping. I'd like to ask you > something first. > > When we started mapping the bus routes in Málaga, Alan Grant and I came to > the conclusion that it was not necessary to add "stop_area" relations due to > the type of bus stops in Málaga, [2] where there are no actual stop areas > (only a stop position in the own road and a pole on the sidewalk usually). > > Is that solution correct? Should we add "stop_area" relations at every bus > stop position? I would have to create a lot of additional relations, only > with the stop position and the platform features. I am not sure if that would > be reasonable/useful for any purpose. What do you think? > highway=bus_stop node is typically sole useful and needed part of mapping bus stop (additional tags on this node, starting from name are obviously useful) stop_position, stop_areas and so on are generally not useful, except extremely rare cases I would rather map bus routes than and do other OSM mapping over pointless duplicating of information available thanks to highway=bus_stop ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Bus routes in Málaga: Should we add "stop_area" relations?
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 13:17, Daniel Capilla wrote: > When we started mapping the bus routes in Málaga, Alan Grant and I came > to the conclusion that it was not necessary to add "stop_area" relations > due to the type of bus stops in Málaga, [2] where there are no actual > stop areas (only a stop position in the own road and a pole on the > sidewalk usually). > > Is that solution correct? Should we add "stop_area" relations at every > bus stop position? I would have to create a lot of additional relations, > only with the stop position and the platform features. I am not sure if > that would be reasonable/useful for any purpose. What do you think? > > [2] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES_talk:Rutas_de_bus_en_M%C3%A1laga#Uso_de_la_relaci.C3.B3n_.22stop_area.22 > (in Spanish) stop_area does not seem necessary for support in many popular OSM transit data consumers (OsmAnd and öpnvkarte/openbusmap come to mind). You probably don't have to add them unless something is really unclear without it. In particular it doesn't seem very necessary for simple cases like 2 stops on either side of the road. (It won't hurt, but it's not necessary.) Reading through (autotranslated) wiki discussion, it does make some sense that stop_area is more useful in areas where a number of physical halt points share one ref ID. If that's not the case for you, probably don't need to bother. --Jarek ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] Bus routes in Málaga: Should we add "stop_area" relations?
Hi! I'll try to check the bus routes in Malagá. [1] I haven't checked them for a long time because I have been busy with other mapping tasks and because there were many changes in the central area of Málaga. The bus routes changed too often. Now it seems to be stabilizing, there are less and less changes, and I thought it would be a good time to check the mapping. I'd like to ask you something first. When we started mapping the bus routes in Málaga, Alan Grant and I came to the conclusion that it was not necessary to add "stop_area" relations due to the type of bus stops in Málaga, [2] where there are no actual stop areas (only a stop position in the own road and a pole on the sidewalk usually). Is that solution correct? Should we add "stop_area" relations at every bus stop position? I would have to create a lot of additional relations, only with the stop position and the platform features. I am not sure if that would be reasonable/useful for any purpose. What do you think? Thank you! Regards, Daniel [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_routes_in_M%C3%A1laga [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES_talk:Rutas_de_bus_en_M%C3%A1laga#Uso_de_la_relaci.C3.B3n_.22stop_area.22 (in Spanish) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
