Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts topo map
Wow, that looks great! I'm psyched to see someone people like you working on US centric tileservers. Zeke On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Lars Ahlzen wrote: > Hi OSMappers! > > I've been working on a topographic map based on OSM data, somewhat > similar in style to the National Geographic topo maps. It's very much > work in progress, but I thought someone here might be interested. > Feedback is welcome! > > It's (currently) limited to the state of Massachusetts - partly because > that's where I live and partly because high-resolution contours and > elevation data (significantly higher resolution than e.g. SRTM) is > freely available through MassGIS. If similar data is available > for other regions, the same type of map could most likely be generated > there. > > When I have time I'll fix some of the issues with the map and include > the steps (and scripts) used to generate it. Meanwhile, have a look: > > http://toposm.com/ > > - Lars > > > PS. I'm looking for hosting. It's a fair amount of data (several GB), > but if anyone has the space and bandwidth... > > -- > Lars Ahlzen > l...@ahlzen.com > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts topo map
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Lars Ahlzen wrote: > These areas are classified as "FLATS" (i.e. tidal flats) in > the MassGIS hydrography dataset ah, well, they're clam flats with added sand for decor. -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Load Test For Me?
> I'm toying with using Google's AppEngine to serve up map tiles. Could you > guys try browsing the following slippy map to do a load test for me? nice. if i scroll too far it's a bit slow. Lars's tiles are exactly what I would like to layer an openlayer over ... so I am very interested in what you're doing. -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
ted wrote: > Paul Fox wrote: > > > > does the "standard" renderer at o-s-m.org do rendering > > based on the surface? > > No, neither Mapnik nor Osmarender draw surface=unpaved differently. I > assume the same goes for the more detailed values (gravel, dirt, ...). > > For example, part of East 600 South here is tagged as surface=unpaved, > but it looks the same: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.35607&lon=-111.7348&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF > how unfortunate. i ride with a bunch of motorcyclists that aren't averse to dirt roads, but who like to know where they are -- 20, or even 50, miles of dirt in a day is one thing, but 150 is another. nice to know for planning, but you can't avoid dirt in new england if you want to do any exploring at all. and while as a group i think we have a large body of knowledge about what's dirt and what's not in new england, no one person knows it all, of course. i have a message all prepared for that mailing list, extolling the grandeurs of OSM mapping, and how they should all start recording their knowledge in OSM. but if the renderers don't show it, there's not much point in asking them to help add the data. paul =- paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 55.8 degrees) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > adam wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Paul Fox > wrote: > > > ... in my mind there's a big difference between "unpaved" and "track". > > > > Could you provide a photo of one of these roads? > > i think so. these are unpaved: > http://www.paulcilwa.com/blog/2008/06/01-bear_canyon_lake/SANY0382.JPG > http://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/photos/nedod/2005_mmt/pic_34.html > http://www.northeastcycling.com/jay_peak_186k_files/Hazens_Climb_M.JPG > > these are tracks: > http://vermontcountryproperties.com/Photos/Photo47_18183d.jpg > http://www.tailofthedragon.com/appalachicola/sat_dual_track.jpg I would call both of those tracks and would recommend using the tracktype and surface tags to differentiate between them. Cheers, Adam ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
adam wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > > ... in my mind there's a big difference between "unpaved" and "track". > > Could you provide a photo of one of these roads? i think so. these are unpaved: http://www.paulcilwa.com/blog/2008/06/01-bear_canyon_lake/SANY0382.JPG http://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/photos/nedod/2005_mmt/pic_34.html http://www.northeastcycling.com/jay_peak_186k_files/Hazens_Climb_M.JPG these are tracks: http://vermontcountryproperties.com/Photos/Photo47_18183d.jpg http://www.tailofthedragon.com/appalachicola/sat_dual_track.jpg > Potlach and Josm don't have comprehensive presets of all tags you > might want to use. can that be readily customized, in either tool, if one were planning on doing a lot of surface classification? paul =- paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 57.2 degrees) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
Paul Fox wrote: > alex wrote: > > Paul Fox wrote: > > > is there a way to distinguish pavement type separately from > > > road classification? is there a standard tag for doing so? > > > > You want the surface key. > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface > > > > does the "standard" renderer at o-s-m.org do rendering > based on the surface? No, neither Mapnik nor Osmarender draw surface=unpaved differently. I assume the same goes for the more detailed values (gravel, dirt, ...). For example, part of East 600 South here is tagged as surface=unpaved, but it looks the same: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.35607&lon=-111.7348&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
alex wrote: > > Paul Fox wrote: > > is there a way to distinguish pavement type separately from > > road classification? is there a standard tag for doing so? > > > > You want the surface key. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface > thanks! does the "standard" renderer at o-s-m.org do rendering based on the surface? paul =- paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 57.7 degrees) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
The best info I found: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Manitoba A tag is listed as a draft in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGis_to_OSM_Attribute_Map used SurfaceType I can see a real need for this like you mentioned. Dale On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > is there a way to distinguish pavement type separately from > road classification? is there a standard tag for doing so? > in new england (and i assume in other parts of the country) > it's not uncommon to have unpaved state numbered routes. or > unpaved residential areas. > > i turned to the wiki, but i find i need some interpretive help. the > third sentence at: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#Other_Roads > is unparseable. but even if i assume that the first three words > should be dropped, i'm left with: > "Unpaved roads, dirt track roads, forest development roads, > jeep trails, and roads not passable by all vehicles merit > highway=track instead." > which seems like far too big a bucket for the roads i'm thinking > of. in my mind there's a big difference between "unpaved" and "track". > > and finally, if i _did_ want to use "highway=track", shouldn't > potlatch give that option in the dropdown menu? > > paul > =- > paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 59.7 degrees) > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Dale Puch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts topo map
Dale Puch wrote: > Beautiful! > > A cosmetic suggestion is the airport runways seem too wide on pretty > much all but the highest zoom. I agree. I'll make them thinner, and adjust the width properly for all zoom levels. One problem is that the current width may be somewhat accurate for large airports like Boston Logan, whose runways are between 100 and 150 ft wide, but way too wide for smaller airports whose runways are often 75 ft wide or less. And even if the OSM data *had* the width for all runways (which I'm sure it doesn't), hacking the mapnik style files to create different cases based on width tends to quickly make them very complicated. I copied the runway style from the standard OSM mapnik style file, btw. - Lars -- Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts topo map
Chris Lawrence wrote: > Hey, Lars! The map looks really nice. One minor suggestion: you may > want to consider using the outline-style U.S. highway shield like most > commercial maps use instead of the black-background U.S. highway > shield, which works well for separate road signs to bring out the sign > contrast from the surroundings but not so well on a map. Good point. I've added this to my (long) todo list... :) - Lars -- Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Paul Fox wrote: > is there a way to distinguish pavement type separately from > road classification? is there a standard tag for doing so? surface=foo http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface > in new england (and i assume in other parts of the country) > it's not uncommon to have unpaved state numbered routes. or > unpaved residential areas. > > i turned to the wiki, but i find i need some interpretive help. the > third sentence at: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#Other_Roads > is unparseable. but even if i assume that the first three words > should be dropped, i'm left with: > "Unpaved roads, dirt track roads, forest development roads, > jeep trails, and roads not passable by all vehicles merit > highway=track instead." > which seems like far too big a bucket for the roads i'm thinking > of. in my mind there's a big difference between "unpaved" and "track". Could you provide a photo of one of these roads? > and finally, if i _did_ want to use "highway=track", shouldn't > potlatch give that option in the dropdown menu? Potlach and Josm don't have comprehensive presets of all tags you might want to use. Cheers, Adam ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] dirt road classification?
Paul Fox wrote: > is there a way to distinguish pavement type separately from > road classification? is there a standard tag for doing so? > in new england (and i assume in other parts of the country) > it's not uncommon to have unpaved state numbered routes. or > unpaved residential areas. > > i turned to the wiki, but i find i need some interpretive help. the > third sentence at: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#Other_Roads > is unparseable. but even if i assume that the first three words > should be dropped, i'm left with: > "Unpaved roads, dirt track roads, forest development roads, > jeep trails, and roads not passable by all vehicles merit > highway=track instead." > which seems like far too big a bucket for the roads i'm thinking > of. in my mind there's a big difference between "unpaved" and "track". > > and finally, if i _did_ want to use "highway=track", shouldn't > potlatch give that option in the dropdown menu? You want the surface key. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface -Alex Mauer "hawke" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts topo map
Beautiful! A cosmetic suggestion is the airport runways seem too wide on pretty much all but the highest zoom. For hosting, no recommendations/experience with these but take a look at the list here http://www.webhostingchoice.com/ for some paid but cheap possibilities. Dale On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Lars Ahlzen wrote: >> I've been working on a topographic map based on OSM data, somewhat >> similar in style to the National Geographic topo maps. It's very much >> work in progress, but I thought someone here might be interested. >> Feedback is welcome! > > Hey, Lars! The map looks really nice. One minor suggestion: you may > want to consider using the outline-style U.S. highway shield like most > commercial maps use instead of the black-background U.S. highway > shield, which works well for separate road signs to bring out the sign > contrast from the surroundings but not so well on a map. > > > Chris > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Dale Puch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] dirt road classification?
is there a way to distinguish pavement type separately from road classification? is there a standard tag for doing so? in new england (and i assume in other parts of the country) it's not uncommon to have unpaved state numbered routes. or unpaved residential areas. i turned to the wiki, but i find i need some interpretive help. the third sentence at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#Other_Roads is unparseable. but even if i assume that the first three words should be dropped, i'm left with: "Unpaved roads, dirt track roads, forest development roads, jeep trails, and roads not passable by all vehicles merit highway=track instead." which seems like far too big a bucket for the roads i'm thinking of. in my mind there's a big difference between "unpaved" and "track". and finally, if i _did_ want to use "highway=track", shouldn't potlatch give that option in the dropdown menu? paul =- paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 59.7 degrees) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts topo map
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Lars Ahlzen wrote: > I've been working on a topographic map based on OSM data, somewhat > similar in style to the National Geographic topo maps. It's very much > work in progress, but I thought someone here might be interested. > Feedback is welcome! Hey, Lars! The map looks really nice. One minor suggestion: you may want to consider using the outline-style U.S. highway shield like most commercial maps use instead of the black-background U.S. highway shield, which works well for separate road signs to bring out the sign contrast from the surroundings but not so well on a map. Chris ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Toronto Mapping party this Sunday 03 May 2009
Hi All, How about a spur of the moment mapping party in Toronto this Sunday? I know! What a great idea! And the weather promises to be perfect too. The goal is to "Clean up" the aerial-mapped area in Bayview Village by getting the rest of the street names, local POIs including parks, schools and shops. And hopefully we'll be able to add the Karsruhe addressing schema information in this area as well. More details and updates here: http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/calendar/10288135/ It's going to be a tonne of funne. Best regards, Richard P.S. Our Niagara region US neighbours, er, "neighbors" are welcome to join us as well! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Load Test For Me?
Hi US Mappers, I'm toying with using Google's AppEngine to serve up map tiles. Could you guys try browsing the following slippy map to do a load test for me? http://opentiles.appspot.com/static/index.html?zoom=12&lat=42.36782&lon=-71.04361&layers=B000 Thanks to Lars for the tiles -- they look great. Thanks in advance. PS: I've only got zoom 12 for now, so don't expect any other zoom levels to show up. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
