Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:50 -0700, Clifford Snow wrote: I'm trying to download the 4G version, but it looks like the server may not be able to handle the load. I'm wondering if anyone can put these up as a torrent feed? The question is who else would seed it. :) Does anyone know of any handy command-line, scriptable tools to create and seed torrents? -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 19-06-2011
nice, was my first time seeing Lambertus's stuff too. Currently generating myself a WA file :-) On 6/20/2011 3:45 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/19-06-2011 There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a2GB file. I got a report that the 2GB version doesn't fit on a 2GB card. I reduced the amount of space that each version uses by 5%. Hopefully that will let things fit better and allow for more space for stuff like track logs. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:50 -0700, Clifford Snow wrote: I'm trying to download the 4G version, but it looks like the server may not be able to handle the load. I'm wondering if anyone can put these up as a torrent feed? The question is who else would seed it. :) Does anyone know of any handy command-line, scriptable tools to create and seed torrents? Not that I've done this stuff before, but I'd look at opentracker, mktorrent, and using HTTP seeding: http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/ http://mktorrent.sourceforge.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#Web_seeding -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] overwhelmed with responses on the imagery priorities
I had tons of emails in response to my request for ideas of where we could prioritise imagery. This is not to be taken that we will prioritise based on your input but that's my hope. I've put the salient bits of every email in here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Priorities If you can help me figure this in to a coherent page with some idea of how to prioritise all the requests that would help me take this to the next stage. Thanks Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path
Well, I have a conundrum here in Portland, Oregon. The 4 TriMet mappers here in Portland would prefer to tag all multi-use paths as paths, with bicycle=designated, particularly because we are attempting to make the Portland area routable. OpenTripPlanner, the multi-modal routing software we'll be using, routes for walking, bicycling, cars, and transit, so I'm hoping to let paths be paths because that implies bicycle AND pedestrian are legally allowed equal access. However, a fellow user, Paul Johnson, favors highway=cycleway for designated multi-use paths. I am cc-ing him for his input, as there is probably a good reason he prefers cycleways. I am also cc-ing the OSM-PDX google group for their input. Terms: Cycleway: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway The highway=cycleway indicates that the used way is mainly or exclusively for bicycles. Some consider it better to use highway=path if use is not restricted to cyclists. Path: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath This tag is used for paths for which all and any of highgway=footway, highway=cycleway, and highway=bridleway would be inappropriate or inadequate (or simply not sufficient), but which are nonetheless usable for travel or navigation. They might be not intended for any particular use, or intended for several different uses. Intended uses can be indicated with the access=designated keys. It is also used for hiking trails. Some examples of multi-use paths tagged as highway=cycleway: Eastbank Esplanade http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/finder/index.cfm?PropertyID=105action=ViewPark Morrison Bridge Multi-use Path http://bikeportland.org/2011/06/10/morrison-bridge-path-to-close-for-construction-project-54559 Hawthorne Bridge, with both pedestrian and bicycle markings http://bikeportland.org/2005/11/21/hawthorne-bridge-gets-new-markings-673. Traffic stats: In 2008, the breakdown for peak-hour (4-6 pm) usage of these trails shows that cyclists usually dominate, but pedestrians make up from 15% to 50% of the traffic. http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=34778a=292746 -- PJ Houser Trimet GIS intern username: PJ Houser On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:00 AM, talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-us mailing list submissions to talk-us@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-us-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-us digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: highway=cycleway or highway=path (Richard Welty) 2. Re: highway=cycleway or highway=path (Mike N) 3. Re: highway=cycleway or highway=path (Josh Doe) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:39:49 -0400 From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path Message-ID: 4dffe855.3030...@averillpark.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 6/20/11 8:29 PM, PJ Houser wrote: I'm sure this was discussed ad nauseum at some point, so feel free to point me to the correct thread. i would say that consensus was not achieved. i personally favor highway=path and then setting bicycle, foot, etc., to indicate access permissions as appropriate. richard -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:48:00 -0400 From: Mike N nice...@att.net To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path Message-ID: 4dffea40.1070...@att.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 6/20/2011 8:39 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i personally favor highway=path and then setting bicycle, foot, etc., to indicate access permissions as appropriate. I agree - this is the approach taken with the JOSM preset, and will thus gravitate toward a more exact definition as tag sets become more unified. -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:11:27 -0400 From: Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com To: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path Message-ID: banlktinjrn1n-ump9bcon6vz73f_nbb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 6/20/11 8:29 PM, PJ Houser wrote: I'm sure this was discussed ad nauseum at some point, so feel free to point me to the correct thread. i would say that consensus was not achieved. Consensus for all of OSM or OSM in the US? i personally favor highway=path and then setting bicycle, foot, etc., to
Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path
Wanted to make sure talk-us gets this message from a non-member of talk-us. :) -- Forwarded message -- From: David Turner nova...@novalis.org Date: Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:16 PM Subject: Re: highway=cycleway or highway=path To: osm-...@googlegroups.com Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org Hi! I'm a developer on OpenTripPlanner, and I'm writing to clarify things for talk-us members who may not be familiar with the OpenTripPlanner project. I hope my mail will go through as I am not a member of talk-us. OTP is a multi-modal router, supporting bikes, pedestrians, and public transit. It can even do cool things like letting you bike to a bus station and then put it on a bus, in awesome cities like Portland which allow this. Like any router, OTP requires clear rules for whether a cyclist or a pedestrian may use a way. But OTP does not restrict what tags are used to define these rules. That is configurable on a per-install basis. So, if Portland are OSM editors decide that highway=cycleway means bicycles and pedestrians can use the way, that's totally cool. Meanwhile, if in some other area (San Diego, say) highway=cycleway means strictly bicycles only, then OTP users in San Diego can configure their version that way. tl;dr: make any locally consistent decision based one what's best for the map and don't panic about OTP. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 12:29 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: Not that I've done this stuff before, but I'd look at opentracker, mktorrent, and using HTTP seeding: http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/ http://mktorrent.sourceforge.net/ mktorrent + HTTP seeding looks like just the trick. I'm testing out a few of the images, but if anyone else wants to seed to help me make sure it works, go right ahead: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/ Hmm... it looks like the HTTP URL embedded in the torrent isn't quite right as I'm getting a 404. Looks like the URL is missing the latest part of the directory, although I think it would be better to use the 19-06-2011 link used. GET /garmin/Lambertus/4000MB-lon_-164.58_to_156.05.gmapsupp.img HTTP/1.1 Range: bytes=32768-49151 User-Agent: Transmission/2.22 Host: daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org Accept: */* Accept-Encoding: gzip;q=1.0, deflate, identity HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:56:44 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Content-Length: 349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN htmlhead title404 Not Found/title /headbody h1Not Found/h1 pThe requested URL /garmin/Lambertus/4000MB-lon_-164.58_to_156.05.gmapsupp.img was not found on this server./p hr addressApache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org Port 80/address /body/html -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path
From: David Turner nova...@novalis.org Like any router, OTP requires clear rules for whether a cyclist or a pedestrian may use a way. But OTP does not restrict what tags are used to define these rules. That is configurable on a per-install basis. So, if Portland are OSM editors decide that highway=cycleway means bicycles and pedestrians can use the way, that's totally cool. Meanwhile, if in some other area (San Diego, say) highway=cycleway means strictly bicycles only, then OTP users in San Diego can configure their version that way. tl;dr: make any locally consistent decision based one what's best for the map and don't panic about OTP. So for example, if I'm visiting San Diego and want to plan a trip from my hotel to the zoo, I have to first track down the website that understands the local tagging conventions because San Diegoans decided to tag things differently from Des Moinesians? Or even worse, will I be able to find an iPhone or Android app that knows how to route in San Diego using OpenStreetMap data? How does that do anything but drive traffic to Google Maps and hurt people like MapQuest? Note, this isn't a criticism of OpenTripPlanner - I think it's great that their routing engine is so configurable. This IS a criticism of people that believe that tags shouldn't have a globally consistent meaning. -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: I'm regenerating a new set now. How did you coax transmission in to giving you such nice debugging output? It's called Wireshark :) -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011
It appears to be working now. I'll live mine torrent up a week or so. Thanks, Clifford On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 19:06 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: mktorrent + HTTP seeding looks like just the trick. I'm testing out a few of the images, but if anyone else wants to seed to help me make sure it works, go right ahead: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/ Hmm... it looks like the HTTP URL embedded in the torrent isn't quite right as I'm getting a 404. Looks like the URL is missing the latest part of the directory, although I think it would be better to use the 19-06-2011 link used. GET /garmin/Lambertus/4000MB-lon_-164.58_to_156.05.gmapsupp.img HTTP/1.1 Nice catch. You saved me having to debug what they heck my fat fingers did wrong. :) Thanks! I'm regenerating a new set now. How did you coax transmission in to giving you such nice debugging output? -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- I have promised to cut down on my swearing and drinking, which I have. Unfortunately, this has left me dim-witted and nearly speechless. Adapted from *The Lion* by Nelson DeMille -or- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] overwhelmed with responses on the imagery priorities
Steve, are you still accepting other requests on areas that need to be updated? I would suggest Northern Ontario between Toronto and Sudbury. On both the Ontario 69 and Ontario 11 highway corridors, brand new expressway alignments are being built in several different areas. Unfortunately, the Bing imagery in that area is very poor and really out dated. The zoom of what is available is too far out to even be useful even if the new highways were shown on it under-construction. Heck, even Google doesn't have imagery that shows the brand newly opened segment of Ontario 69/400 in the Parry Sound area. Somebody has already put a rough alignment of it in OSM, but it's way off in a few places since I know it's missing an exit along it from research on another highway related project I'm working on. -- James Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:26:16 -0700 From: st...@asklater.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] overwhelmed with responses on the imagery priorities I had tons of emails in response to my request for ideas of where we could prioritise imagery. This is not to be taken that we will prioritise based on your input but that's my hope. I've put the salient bits of every email in here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Priorities If you can help me figure this in to a coherent page with some idea of how to prioritise all the requests that would help me take this to the next stage. Thanks Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011
Were is the .torrent file at? I will happily seed it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011
I stuck them up next to the images. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/latest/ Sorry for the top post :) -- Dave On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Josh Kraayenbrink j...@kraayenbrink.net wrote: Were is the .torrent file at? I will happily seed it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] overwhelmed with responses on the imagery priorities
yes, add to the wiki page and help fix it On 6/21/2011 6:56 PM, James Mast wrote: Steve, are you still accepting other requests on areas that need to be updated? I would suggest Northern Ontario between Toronto and Sudbury. On both the Ontario 69 and Ontario 11 highway corridors, brand new expressway alignments are being built in several different areas. Unfortunately, the Bing imagery in that area is very poor and really out dated. The zoom of what is available is too far out to even be useful even if the new highways were shown on it under-construction. Heck, even Google doesn't have imagery that shows the brand newly opened segment of Ontario 69/400 in the Parry Sound area. Somebody has already put a rough alignment of it in OSM, but it's way off in a few places since I know it's missing an exit along it from research on another highway related project I'm working on. -- James Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:26:16 -0700 From: st...@asklater.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] overwhelmed with responses on the imagery priorities I had tons of emails in response to my request for ideas of where we could prioritise imagery. This is not to be taken that we will prioritise based on your input but that's my hope. I've put the salient bits of every email in here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Priorities If you can help me figure this in to a coherent page with some idea of how to prioritise all the requests that would help me take this to the next stage. Thanks Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
