Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-10-04 Thread Scott Rollins
I had a very difficult time trying to convert the hierarchy into terms I
understand, and when I took to the wiki, I would come up against
contradictory understandings.

As for the other contributions you mention? They are less interesting to me,
personally, probably because they are usually of minimal interest to me as a
map consumer.

Scott

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> Can I ask where you got this impression from? Perhaps we need to fix the
> communication... In the vast majority of cases, "how roads should be
> described" is decided. Editors like Potlatch and Cloudmade's Mapzen do a
> pretty good job of describing visually (via icons or words) which tags
> should be applied to which roads.
>
> The general hierarchy of motorway > trunk > primary > secondary > tertiary
> is (hopefully) well understood. The argument seems to be over where people
> want to draw the lines between those categories, and there are very few
> (loud) people arguing about it. Either way, applying highway tags to ways is
> a very small part of OSM: try adding POI, opening hours, parks, bike paths,
> McDonald's, libraries, town halls, pubs/bars, etc. All of this is very
> useful data and won't be subject to someone changing a highway tag.
>



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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping party best practices

2011-10-04 Thread Steven Johnson
Two critical elements of a successful mapping party are the people and
publicity.

WRT publicity, I have learned (the hard way) that publicity materials need
to convey enough information to get people curious enough to show up. Also
you need to disperse publicity through as many channels as you can. If you
can target organized groups (e.g. boy/girl scouts, 4H, bicycling clubs,
sports clubs, etc.) you have a better shot at getting good participation.

And speaking of civic/youth organizations, in terms of people these groups
are more likely to show up and take enthusiasm in the project, partly
because they are naturally curious students, but also because they have
community service requirements easily filled by OSM contrbutions. I also
think retirees may be good candidates, though I haven't personally reached
out to those groups. (Sadly, my experience with my fellow GIS professionals
is that initially they show a great deal of curiosity about OSM, but they
tend to be less committed than amateurs and more dismissive of OSM on
accuracy grounds.)

I'll also second Jim's suggestion of the Mapping Weekend How To.  Good luck!

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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 22:07, Jim McAndrew  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We're been trying to come up with ways to help people run mapping parties,
> and have come up with a very basic outline.
> You may find the best resource to be here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_Weekend_Howto
>
> As far as focusing on people, we've have good response from GIS groups, and
> universities.
> If you can find a local Geography department, you can send them a flyer
> about the party.
> Community colleges tend to be a good source too, and a lot of places have
> GIS classes.
>
> The real hard part is to get the word out, and to the right people, but
> there are a few places you can start.
>
> --
> Jim McAndrew
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I am preparing my first mapping party here in Salt Lake, I am
>>> wondering what works and what doesn't. I'm used to organizing events
>>> in The Netherlands, but geographical and cultural differences may
>>> require a different approach in the US so I'd like to poke your
>>> brains: are there formats that work particularly well or not at all?
>>> Particular types of venues to gather, interest groups to target, types
>>> of mapping to do... Any input welcome.
>>
>>
>> I had a decent response when I sought out GIS user groups and university
>> folks. They seemed to be most interested in what OSM is and how to change
>> it. They were also the quickest to disappear once they heard what OSM is
>> (back then it was "you can't use ESRI? oh..."), but a few stuck and helped
>> find other groups to work with.
>>
>> As far as location, I looked for places with fast wifi and decent places
>> to sit down. Zoos, libraries, outdoor mall/commercial districts, etc. are
>> all good places to start.
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[Talk-us] OSM US Chapter Voting Open

2011-10-04 Thread Ian Dees
The OSM US board nominations have closed and elections are open.

The following people were nominated to run:

   - Carl Anderson
   - Jim McAndrew
   - Randy Hale
   - Martijn van Exel
   - Richard Welty
   - Michal Migurski

If you are a paid-up member of the OSM US local chapter you may vote by
email for the next US local chapter board. To do this, send an e-mail to the
following addresses containing details of your votes:


To: ian.d...@gmail.com (Ian Dees - US local chapter secretary)
cc: osmus2...@jonno.cix.co.uk (Jonathan Bennett - Independent scrutineer)
cc: vote2...@weait.com (Richard Weait - Independent scrutineer)
Subject: US Chapter Board Vote 2011


The content of the email should be a list of the candidates for whom you are
voting. You may vote for up to five candidates. Any ballot with more than
five candidates listed will be discarded as spoiled. Any ballot with
conditions will be discarded as spoiled. Your ballot should include the name
or email address that you used to register as a US Local Chapter member, if
you are sending your vote from another email address.

For more details, please visit the election wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections#2011-2012

If you have any questions not covered here, please ask me before voting.

Thanks,
Ian Dees
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 10/04/2011 03:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:

Ah, the county line dupe problem. It would be nice if
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5867 were fixed.


Personally I think OSM suffers too much from automated edits already. I 
am a big fan of people editing things while actually looking at them, 
rather than doing a few "select-all/fix-all" keystrokes without even 
knowing what gets fixed.


I hope that we will get to a point where problems in OSM are fixed by 
humans who care for the data at that specific location. The knee-jerk 
reaction "oh, there's a problem, let's think of ways to fix that 
automatically" creates an atmosphere in which everyone waits for someone 
else to fix it automatically.


I am very much in favour of banning all automatic or semi-automatic 
editing, including "search and replace" operations.


With very few, individually discussed and community ok'd exceptions.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

On 10/04/2011 03:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:

Ah, the county line dupe problem. It would be nice if
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5867 were fixed.


Personally I think OSM suffers too much from automated edits already. I
am a big fan of people editing things while actually looking at them,
rather than doing a few "select-all/fix-all" keystrokes without even
knowing what gets fixed.


Currently the only way to fix a dupe node in JOSM is to delete one and 
then re-extend all ways back to the other. If the node is in the middle 
of one of these ways, you also have to split. This is way too much work 
to fix a common issue.


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[Talk-us] Geography Awareness Week 2011

2011-10-04 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all,

Someone just told me about Geography Awareness Week[1] which is in
November (coincidentally this is the week of GIS Day 2011 which is on
Nov 16). This is the first I learned about it but it could be a good
vehicle for OSM promotion / mapping events. This year's GAW apparently
focuses on The Adventure in Your Community which seems like a good
fit. I am going to align the SLC mapping party with that event and am
working with the University of Utah to coordinate. It would be great
if we could have a host of OSM related activities on GIS day!

Martijn

[1] 
http://education.nationalgeographic.com/education/collections/geographyawarenessweek/?ar_a=1
[2] http://www.gisday.com/

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:
> On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 10/04/2011 03:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, the county line dupe problem. It would be nice if
>>> http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5867 were fixed.
>>
>> Personally I think OSM suffers too much from automated edits already. I
>> am a big fan of people editing things while actually looking at them,
>> rather than doing a few "select-all/fix-all" keystrokes without even
>> knowing what gets fixed.
>
> Currently the only way to fix a dupe node in JOSM is to delete one and then
> re-extend all ways back to the other. If the node is in the middle of one of
> these ways, you also have to split. This is way too much work to fix a
> common issue.

Try selecting both nodes and using "m" to merge them.  drag-select, m.
 One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II 
> wrote:
> > On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 10/04/2011 03:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ah, the county line dupe problem. It would be nice if
> >>> http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5867 were fixed.
> >>
> >> Personally I think OSM suffers too much from automated edits already. I
> >> am a big fan of people editing things while actually looking at them,
> >> rather than doing a few "select-all/fix-all" keystrokes without even
> >> knowing what gets fixed.
> >
> > Currently the only way to fix a dupe node in JOSM is to delete one and
> then
> > re-extend all ways back to the other. If the node is in the middle of one
> of
> > these ways, you also have to split. This is way too much work to fix a
> > common issue.
>
> Try selecting both nodes and using "m" to merge them.  drag-select, m.
>  One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.


A lot of times these overlapping ways are on county boundaries and share
nodes with the border ways, making it very difficult to only select the
nodes that belong to the highway=* ways.

Also, merging nodes doesn't merge the overlapping ways; when all the nodes
are merged you still have two distinct ways that use the same nodes.
Currently, one of the duplicate ways needs to be split and deleted. This
process takes many keystrokes and mouse gestures :)
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 10/4/2011 4:21 PM, Richard Weait wrote:

Try selecting both nodes and using "m" to merge them.  drag-select, m.
  One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.


Holy shit. It would still be nice to be able to do it en masse (given 
that the problem was caused in the first place by an import) but this is 
really useful. Thanks.


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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 10/4/2011 4:27 PM, Ian Dees wrote:

A lot of times these overlapping ways are on county boundaries and share
nodes with the border ways, making it very difficult to only select the
nodes that belong to the highway=* ways.


I usually use a filter to hide any boundaries. Of course you have to 
detach the boundaries from the roads first (hit G).


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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:

[ob on topic: It is awesome that geofabrik is making this debug layer
available outside of Europe!  Thank you!]

>> Try selecting both nodes and using "m" to merge them.  drag-select, m.
>>  One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.
>
> A lot of times these overlapping ways are on county boundaries and share
> nodes with the border ways, making it very difficult to only select the
> nodes that belong to the highway=* ways.

Not in that cases I just tried.  I had two roads perpendicular to the
border and bisected by the border.  No border node on the scene.  If
there were, I would consider deleting the border node as long as it
doesn't wreck the border shape.  Then merge the nodes.

> Also, merging nodes doesn't merge the overlapping ways; when all the nodes
> are merged you still have two distinct ways that use the same nodes.

Not in the case I looked at.  Yes, undoing a duplicate import and
dupe-ways is a pain.  This is not that. ;-)

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 10/4/2011 4:42 PM, Richard Weait wrote:

Not in the case I looked at.  Yes, undoing a duplicate import and
dupe-ways is a pain.  This is not that. ;-)


The problem comes when there's a road along the county line. This is 
especially common in the Midwest.


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[Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Steven Johnson
Hi all,

I'd like to announce a broad-based project to improve addresses in OSM. The
project page is here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement

The purpose of this project is to improve the tagging and better reflect
local addressing practice, particularly in areas where the Karlsruhe schema
does not fit local practice. This includes Japan and United States, but
likely other regions as well. We've made attempts to consolidate a number of
addressing discussions and proposals from around the OSM wiki.

I'd like to invite anyone with an interest in addresses and addressing to
lend their talents to the project. Please add to the discussion.

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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Steven Johnson  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to announce a broad-based project to improve addresses in OSM. The
> project page is here:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement

Can you summarize the project?

All the Wiki page says right now is there's a problem.

What is your proposed solution?

- Serge

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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Steven Johnson
Serge,
I don't have canned solutions, but I do think there needs to be greater
specificity and flexibility in address tagging. The page links to a
relatively new national (US) address standard and how we can adopt a
lightweight profile of the standard to gain that flexibility and
specificity.

HTH,

-- SEJ
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On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 21:08, Serge Wroclawski  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Steven Johnson 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to announce a broad-based project to improve addresses in OSM.
> The
> > project page is here:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement
>
> Can you summarize the project?
>
> All the Wiki page says right now is there's a problem.
>
> What is your proposed solution?
>
> - Serge
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Ian Dees
I'm a bit confused about how Karlsruhe doesn't apply to the US.

When I'm adding addressing information I usually use the following two tags:

addr:street=*
addr:housenumber=*

Those seem to cover the vast majority of addressing use cases in the US.
What am I missing?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Steven Johnson  wrote:

> Serge,
> I don't have canned solutions, but I do think there needs to be greater
> specificity and flexibility in address tagging. The page links to a
> relatively new national (US) address standard and how we can adopt a
> lightweight profile of the standard to gain that flexibility and
> specificity.
>
> HTH,
>
>
> -- SEJ
> -- twitter: @geomantic
> -- skype: sejohnson8
>
> "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." --
> Einstein
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 21:08, Serge Wroclawski  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Steven Johnson 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'd like to announce a broad-based project to improve addresses in OSM.
>> The
>> > project page is here:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement
>>
>> Can you summarize the project?
>>
>> All the Wiki page says right now is there's a problem.
>>
>> What is your proposed solution?
>>
>> - Serge
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Ian Dees
When I use addr:street I put the entire street's name in the field.

Breaking apart that street name into pieces is the job of other tags, I
would imagine.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Steven Johnson  wrote:

> When you use addr:street you normally add the street type (e.g. road,
> street, land, drive, etc.) in the same field. You may also put cardinals in
> there, too.
>
>
> -- SEJ
> -- twitter: @geomantic
> -- skype: sejohnson8
>
> "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." --
> Einstein
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 21:26, Ian Dees  wrote:
>
>> I'm a bit confused about how Karlsruhe doesn't apply to the US.
>>
>> When I'm adding addressing information I usually use the following two
>> tags:
>>
>> addr:street=*
>> addr:housenumber=*
>>
>> Those seem to cover the vast majority of addressing use cases in the US.
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Serge,
>>> I don't have canned solutions, but I do think there needs to be greater
>>> specificity and flexibility in address tagging. The page links to a
>>> relatively new national (US) address standard and how we can adopt a
>>> lightweight profile of the standard to gain that flexibility and
>>> specificity.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>> -- SEJ
>>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>>
>>> "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
>>> -- Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 21:08, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Steven Johnson 
 wrote:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I'd like to announce a broad-based project to improve addresses in
 OSM. The
 > project page is here:
 > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement

 Can you summarize the project?

 All the Wiki page says right now is there's a problem.

 What is your proposed solution?

 - Serge

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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Mike N

On 10/4/2011 9:04 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

The purpose of this project is to improve the tagging and better reflect
local addressing practice, particularly in areas where the Karlsruhe
schema does not fit local practice. This includes Japan and United
States, but likely other regions as well. We've made attempts to
consolidate a number of addressing discussions and proposals from around
the OSM wiki.


 I must confess that I haven't seen cases in the US that aren't already 
covered by Karlsruhe.   The only thing I can think of would be multi 
floors and building interiors - which aren't generally mapped in OSM 
anyway. If the problem is that something isn't documented clearly, that 
can be addressed.   One thing I noticed is that the page links to the 
proposed Karlsruhe schema rather than the 'approved' page:


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr

 I started to look at the US ... Address Data Standard and admit that 
I'd be blown away at trying to at trying to add any of it to typical OSM 
address data collection process.   I'd probably just end up entering 
everything with FIXME's and let someone else fix it.  


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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Dion Dock
> 
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:
>> On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2011 03:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
 
 Ah, the county line dupe problem. It would be nice if
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5867 were fixed.
>>> 
>>> Personally I think OSM suffers too much from automated edits already. I
>>> am a big fan of people editing things while actually looking at them,
>>> rather than doing a few "select-all/fix-all" keystrokes without even
>>> knowing what gets fixed.
>> 
>> Currently the only way to fix a dupe node in JOSM is to delete one and then
>> re-extend all ways back to the other. If the node is in the middle of one of
>> these ways, you also have to split. This is way too much work to fix a
>> common issue.
> 
> Try selecting both nodes and using "m" to merge them.  drag-select, m.
> One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.

No!  If you have two different items with a duplicate node, for example, a 
street and a landuse=, then you have combined them into one.  Good luck at 
separating them back into their individual parts.

-Dion
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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Steven Johnson  wrote:

> I don't have canned solutions, but I do think there needs to be greater
> specificity and flexibility in address tagging.

If there's something wrong with the way we're handling addresses,
let's bring it up on this forum. Since this is the talk-us list, is
there something US related that you've found doesn't work with the
current addressing system? I think this is exactly the right forum to
discuss it, with as many eyes as possible.

- Serge

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM inspector routing layer now also available in the US

2011-10-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 10/4/2011 9:44 PM, Dion Dock wrote:

On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Try selecting both nodes and using "m" to merge them.  drag-select, m.
One mouse gesture, one keypress.  Easy.


No!  If you have two different items with a duplicate node, for example, a 
street and a landuse=, then you have combined them into one.  Good luck at 
separating them back into their individual parts.


Can you give an example of two ways where this happens?

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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Toby Murray
I would put splitting cardinal directions out into their own tag on
the same level as breaking them out on streets. I'm sure some people
do it (in fact I seem to recall a discussion about that a few months
ago?) but I don't plan on making it a priority for myself any time
soon.

The one address component that I have seen missing is suite. We have a
couple of places where businesses share housenumbers and use suite
numbers or letters. I'm sure this is not uncommon. Some places write
it as "123-A" on the outside of the building while others actually say
"123 Suite A" so it's kind of ambiguous whether to just include it in
the housenumber or split it into its own tag. But I've started using
an addr:suite tag where it is listed as a suite. Since there are only
300 uses in the database I'm guessing no tools make use of this tag
yet.

Toby

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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Paul Norman
> -Original Message-
> From: Toby Murray [mailto:toby.mur...@gmail.com]
> 
> 
> The one address component that I have seen missing is suite. We have a
> couple of places where businesses share housenumbers and use suite
> numbers or letters. I'm sure this is not uncommon. Some places write it
> as "123-A" on the outside of the building while others actually say
> "123 Suite A" so it's kind of ambiguous whether to just include it in
> the housenumber or split it into its own tag. But I've started using an
> addr:suite tag where it is listed as a suite. Since there are only
> 300 uses in the database I'm guessing no tools make use of this tag yet.

I can't speak for certain about in the US, but on one summer work term I
lived in a house with an A suffix, and found out lots about addressing when
trying to get the cable installers to come to the right house.

In this case the A was part of the house number and 112A had no connection
to 112.

What I see around here more often is suite numbers (e.g. 101, 102) that are
placed in front of the number when written out, but sometimes are placed
after on forms. Eg http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1052967131 where
I mapped it as addr:housenumber=#104-7885

I don't view these types of addresses as a significant problem because OSM
is not well-suited for mapping of multi-story buildings with many shops
inside.


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Re: [Talk-us] Announcement: Address Improvement project

2011-10-04 Thread Nathan Mills

On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 22:39:24 -0700, Paul Norman wrote:

In this case the A was part of the house number and 112A had no 
connection

to 112.

What I see around here more often is suite numbers (e.g. 101, 102) 
that are
placed in front of the number when written out, but sometimes are 
placed
after on forms. Eg 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1052967131 where

I mapped it as addr:housenumber=#104-7885


I just use the building's address number in addr:housenumber and write 
something
like "112 West Center Street Suite 700" in addr:full if all the 
entrances are
to the same building and have the same street address but different 
suite numbers,

prefixes, or postfixes.

-Nathan



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