Re: [Talk-us] flyers / brochures
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 13:29 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: > Well it does prominently talk about the CC license which won't be > accurate in another couple of weeks. I also see osmarender on the > globe which doesn't exist any more and the old style logo... but those > are pretty minor things. The license bit would be the biggest thing > that should probably be updated if a new batch is being printed. Osmarender still exists, just has not been maintained in a little while. The license definitely needs to be updated, also the maps of NYC and London should be refreshed with current data just to be sure. -- Shawn K. Quinn - skqu...@rushpost.com - +1.832.533.0606 http://www.spectacularshawn.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] flyers / brochures
Hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: >> I'm guessing I have a couple hundred of those flyers. I got them from Steve >> C, who sent them to me last year. He may have more, in which case you could >> save the cost of another print run. Not sure if he monitors this list >> nowadays, but worth asking him. > > I was sure I gave you several hundred from my trip to London. I don't recall that, but anyway, I'm all out now. > I still have several hundred myself (though maybe less than 200). > > Order fulfillment services probably don't make sense here due to the > high cost of using them vs low cost of the item itself, or I'd make > some suggestions on order fulfillment houses I know. What is an order fulfilment service? I was going to call some local printers and ask for a quote based on the PDF or the SVG. > I'm going to continue using the fliers I have but I would love to see > new ones. I'd also love to see new high vis jackets made up! Excellent idea. I have 10 hi-viz jackets here. I don't know if it makes sense to ship those back and forth to wherever a mapping party is. It's a shame cafepress does not do hi viz vests. It would be very easy to set up an OSM shop with them and offer them for sale to anyone wanting to order one. I looked around and custom hi viz vests can be had for around $25 a piece (with custom logo) if you order a reasonable amount of them[1]. On a related note, I was thinking about a traveling mapping party kit: a bunch of GPSes, swag, some vests, instruction leaflets. A neat idea in itself, but I feel the US is just too big to make that practical. Martijn [1] see here for example: http://www.logosoftwear.com/product/16116/the-d-o-t-vest -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] flyers / brochures
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: > I'm guessing I have a couple hundred of those flyers. I got them from Steve > C, who sent them to me last year. He may have more, in which case you could > save the cost of another print run. Not sure if he monitors this list > nowadays, but worth asking him. I was sure I gave you several hundred from my trip to London. I still have several hundred myself (though maybe less than 200). Order fulfillment services probably don't make sense here due to the high cost of using them vs low cost of the item itself, or I'd make some suggestions on order fulfillment houses I know. I'm going to continue using the fliers I have but I would love to see new ones. I'd also love to see new high vis jackets made up! - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] flyers / brochures
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: >>> I'm guessing I have a couple hundred of those flyers. I got them from Steve >>> C, who sent them to me last year. He may have more, in which case you could >>> save the cost of another print run. Not sure if he monitors this list >>> nowadays, but worth asking him. >> >> I was sure I gave you several hundred from my trip to London. > > I don't recall that, but anyway, I'm all out now. It would be hard to recall something that happened to Steven. :) >> I still have several hundred myself (though maybe less than 200). >> >> Order fulfillment services probably don't make sense here due to the >> high cost of using them vs low cost of the item itself, or I'd make >> some suggestions on order fulfillment houses I know. > > What is an order fulfilment service? I was going to call some local > printers and ask for a quote based on the PDF or the SVG. They're a company who keeps a product in inventory and sells it. But the items need to be high volume and high value to make sense. > On a related note, I was thinking about a traveling mapping party kit: > a bunch of GPSes, swag, some vests, instruction leaflets. A neat idea > in itself, but I feel the US is just too big to make that practical. To sell, I fear the GPSes make it cost prohibitive. To lend, I suspect the GPSes make it hard to seed. But hey I'd love to be proven wrong. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] flyers / brochures
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > > On a related note, I was thinking about a traveling mapping party kit: > > a bunch of GPSes, swag, some vests, instruction leaflets. A neat idea > > in itself, but I feel the US is just too big to make that practical. > > To sell, I fear the GPSes make it cost prohibitive. > > To lend, I suspect the GPSes make it hard to seed. > > But hey I'd love to be proven wrong. > If we were to have regular mapping parties in the DC region (or NY), I'm sure that Wikimedia DC (or NYC) could fund a kit for the Mapping DC folks. I'm not sure about sending them across the country to lend out. We could lend out within our region and maybe somewhat beyond. Cheers, Katie > > - Serge > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Katie Filbert Board member, Wikimedia District of Columbia http://wikimediadc.org filbe...@gmail.com @filbertkm / @wikimediadc ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Of Mapping Party Kits and back to flyers / brochures
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Katie Filbert wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> >> > On a related note, I was thinking about a traveling mapping party kit: >> > a bunch of GPSes, swag, some vests, instruction leaflets. A neat idea >> > in itself, but I feel the US is just too big to make that practical. >> >> To sell, I fear the GPSes make it cost prohibitive. >> >> To lend, I suspect the GPSes make it hard to seed. >> >> But hey I'd love to be proven wrong. > > If we were to have regular mapping parties in the DC region (or NY), I'm > sure that Wikimedia DC (or NYC) could fund a kit for the Mapping DC folks. > > I'm not sure about sending them across the country to lend out. We could > lend out within our region and maybe somewhat beyond. What is preventing us from having more DC or NY mapping parties? Is it the lack of a mapping kit? I don't recall many people saying that they would organize and host a mapping party, if only they had a MPKit. I suggest, rather, that it is a lack of "round tuits". The lack of a kit makes it easier to say, "Well, if we had a kit, NewPerson in SomeTown could host a Mapping Party." Having a MPKit makes the mapping party "somebody else's problem". When the alternative might be to say, "Now _I'm_ going to host a Mapping Party in MyTown." Most everybody in this thread has hosted or attended a mapping party, so I don't intend to criticize. And, if I'm pointing, I'm definitely pointing at myself as much as at anybody else. I just don't think that a MPKit is the blocker here. :-( There are alternatives. Mappy Hours and talks are two alternatives. I'm down on Mapping Parties. Part of this is because of my phenomenally bad relationship with the weather during my Mapping Parties. :-) That doesn't mean that you have to be down on Mapping Parties, of course. I like having a goal of "acquire new mappers who continue to contribute", rather than, "map this area, today." I find that I feel more successful at that goal by hosting Mappy Hours and doing "Intro to OSM" talks for groups. And I find those events less of a burden to organize, and much less weather dependent. It means that I do have to drop the goal of, "map this area, today." You may find that goal too attractive to abandon. We've dragged this thread a long way from flyers. Sorry. I think flyers are cool. And thanks, tons, to Serge for providing me with some from his trip to London. I'm still handing them out. :-) Best regards, Richard, who realizes that he hasn't hosted a MP in 2012. :-( ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Of Mapping Party Kits and back to flyers / brochures
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Katie Filbert wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> > >> > On a related note, I was thinking about a traveling mapping party kit: > >> > a bunch of GPSes, swag, some vests, instruction leaflets. A neat idea > >> > in itself, but I feel the US is just too big to make that practical. > >> > >> To sell, I fear the GPSes make it cost prohibitive. > >> > >> To lend, I suspect the GPSes make it hard to seed. > >> > >> But hey I'd love to be proven wrong. > > > > If we were to have regular mapping parties in the DC region (or NY), I'm > > sure that Wikimedia DC (or NYC) could fund a kit for the Mapping DC > folks. > > > > I'm not sure about sending them across the country to lend out. We could > > lend out within our region and maybe somewhat beyond. > > What is preventing us from having more DC or NY mapping parties? Well, I am in Germany now, so that's preventing me from organizing more. (we did a mapping party a couple weeks ago in DC) > Is > it the lack of a mapping kit? It's not an obstacle but DC folks (and I think Serge in NY) are trying to reactivate. If a mapping kit would be helpful, it can be provided I think. All that's needed to organize a mapping party is for someone to be bold and pick a time/date & place and announce it. > I don't recall many people saying that > they would organize and host a mapping party, if only they had a > MPKit. > > I suggest, rather, that it is a lack of "round tuits". The lack of a > kit makes it easier to say, "Well, if we had a kit, NewPerson in > SomeTown could host a Mapping Party." Having a MPKit makes the > mapping party "somebody else's problem". When the alternative might be > to say, "Now _I'm_ going to host a Mapping Party in MyTown." > > Most everybody in this thread has hosted or attended a mapping party, > so I don't intend to criticize. And, if I'm pointing, I'm definitely > pointing at myself as much as at anybody else. I just don't think > that a MPKit is the blocker here. :-( > > There are alternatives. Mappy Hours and talks are two alternatives. > > Those are also great. :) Interestingly, folks in Berlin really don't do mapping parties. They do monthly meetups. But it's been fun to get together with folks on the weekend for a mapping party. I haven't been as motivated to do solo mapping in Berlin even though (surprisingly) there is plenty here yet to be mapped. I don't know the language and culture well enough in Germany to be bold and organize anything yet. Cheers, Katie > I'm down on Mapping Parties. Part of this is because of my > phenomenally bad relationship with the weather during my Mapping > Parties. :-) That doesn't mean that you have to be down on Mapping > Parties, of course. I like having a goal of "acquire new mappers who > continue to contribute", rather than, "map this area, today." I find > that I feel more successful at that goal by hosting Mappy Hours and > doing "Intro to OSM" talks for groups. And I find those events less > of a burden to organize, and much less weather dependent. It means > that I do have to drop the goal of, "map this area, today." You may > find that goal too attractive to abandon. > > We've dragged this thread a long way from flyers. Sorry. I think > flyers are cool. And thanks, tons, to Serge for providing me with > some from his trip to London. I'm still handing them out. :-) > > Best regards, > Richard, who realizes that he hasn't hosted a MP in 2012. :-( > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Katie Filbert Board member, Wikimedia District of Columbia http://wikimediadc.org filbe...@gmail.com @filbertkm / @wikimediadc ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Of Mapping Party Kits and back to flyers / brochures
Hi, On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Katie Filbert wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >>> >>> > On a related note, I was thinking about a traveling mapping party kit: >>> > a bunch of GPSes, swag, some vests, instruction leaflets. A neat idea >>> > in itself, but I feel the US is just too big to make that practical. >>> >>> To sell, I fear the GPSes make it cost prohibitive. >>> >>> To lend, I suspect the GPSes make it hard to seed. >>> >>> But hey I'd love to be proven wrong. >> >> If we were to have regular mapping parties in the DC region (or NY), I'm >> sure that Wikimedia DC (or NYC) could fund a kit for the Mapping DC folks. >> >> I'm not sure about sending them across the country to lend out. We could >> lend out within our region and maybe somewhat beyond. Yes, that's probably more feasible. For me, I feel it would be easier (I'm not saying 'easy') to get funding to buy some GPSes for regional events. Either by solliciting small donations from individuals or in the form of a regional sponsorship. > What is preventing us from having more DC or NY mapping parties? Is > it the lack of a mapping kit? I don't recall many people saying that > they would organize and host a mapping party, if only they had a > MPKit. > > I suggest, rather, that it is a lack of "round tuits". The lack of a > kit makes it easier to say, "Well, if we had a kit, NewPerson in > SomeTown could host a Mapping Party." Having a MPKit makes the > mapping party "somebody else's problem". When the alternative might be > to say, "Now _I'm_ going to host a Mapping Party in MyTown." I don't think the lack of a Kit makes people not take responsibility to host a party, or use it as an argument for why there aren't more mapping parties. I think we all know it's about people. I believe a Kit - or anything that provides the feeling of being backed by OpenStreetMap as an organization - may help someone take the step and organize something. [..] > There are alternatives. Mappy Hours and talks are two alternatives. > > I'm down on Mapping Parties. Part of this is because of my > phenomenally bad relationship with the weather during my Mapping > Parties. :-) That doesn't mean that you have to be down on Mapping > Parties, of course. I like having a goal of "acquire new mappers who > continue to contribute", rather than, "map this area, today." I find > that I feel more successful at that goal by hosting Mappy Hours and > doing "Intro to OSM" talks for groups. And I find those events less > of a burden to organize, and much less weather dependent. It means > that I do have to drop the goal of, "map this area, today." You may > find that goal too attractive to abandon. Some people are more attracted (or less intimidated) by a mapping event - going out and doing something - than by attending a session. Some people prefer going to a bar or cafe to hang out and meet folks, and learn about the project that way. For me, it's different ways of achieving the same thing. The goal of a MP for me is not solely, or even primarily, to get a lot of mapping done. I want to introduce people to OSM, and get to know local mappers who are already active. Last weekend, I had 4 'regulars' and 2 'newbies', and we accomplished both goals. The numbers are small but both newcomers were really excited. So, agreed! Everyone should organize local events the way they feel is the most fun and effective way to spend the time and energy. I will probably continue to do a mix of things. > We've dragged this thread a long way from flyers. Sorry. I think > flyers are cool. And thanks, tons, to Serge for providing me with > some from his trip to London. I'm still handing them out. :-) Yea, I'll call SteveC and see what he's got. If it turns out his kid has eaten them all, I will have a bunch printed. Does anyone have time & skills to update the 2010 design based on Toby's comments? Keep mapping! -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Highway ref again.
Hi, During fixing highways and interstates I came across a lot of inconsistent uses. I don't have a strong opinion in either direction. But we should at least map consistent. The wiki isn't consistent either. - multiple refs in tag with a semicolon: Many of them had been entered not too long ago and are clearly not a damage from the redaction. Wasn't the consensus to use relations? In the past I have only used the ref of the most important route on the way itself. This is what is rendered on all maps. secondary routes are only in the relation in case of overlaps. - state routes. In the past most states have been mapped with , now many refs have been changed to SR . According to official documents in California SR is correct. road signs are mixed in California.Most common is number only but SR or state highway ore state route is possible too. BUT we have used the for so long and acrossmany states. should we really change? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] MapQuest Open not updating as fast?
I've noticed that MapQuest Open is not regenerating tiles as fast as it used to a month or two ago. Actually, it's hard to tell if it is updating at all. Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe I missed an email. thanks, -Dion ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Highway ref again.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: > > - multiple refs in tag with a semicolon: Many of them had been entered not > too long ago and are clearly not a damage from the redaction. Wasn't the > consensus to use relations? In the past I have only used the ref of the most > important route on the way itself. This is what is rendered on all maps. > secondary routes are only in the relation in case of overlaps. What if they're equally important and recognized (like Interstate 80/90 through Ohio and Indiana, or US 1/9 in New Jersey)? I generally put down all the routes separated by semicolons. But in the case where one route obviously "dominates" another (like a concurrent Interstate and US Highway), it's probably okay to put the dominant route. > - state routes. In the past most states have been mapped with > , now many refs have been changed to SR . According to > official documents in California SR is correct. road signs are mixed in > California.Most common is number only but SR or state highway ore state > route is possible too. BUT we have used the for so long and > acrossmany states. should we really change? Generally, the state abbreviation is correct (except in cases like Texas with FM and Loop and Spur routes). The use of SR and SH for state highways was mainly (unnecessarily) brought on by NE2. I guess both are correct, but the former is more descriptive and uniform. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Open not updating as fast?
I think they are waiting till the OSM database is odbl-clean officially first before updating again. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Bulk fix of comma delimiters in source tag in parts of CA, NV, AZ, UT
It was brought to my attention that P2 shows a warning that a field contains multiple values when it sees semi-colons in a field. As a result, some had interpreted this as an error, and "fixed" it by changing them to commas. Since the commas are a legitimate value character, the field no longer looks like it has multiple values and the warning goes away. This behavior is the subject of another thread (on dev, moved to tagging). AFAIK, semi-colons are still the correct way of delimiting multiple values. How consumers and editors deal with this are a separate issue - my concern was to fix these "fixes" in the area and particular tag I knew where it was occurring - source=*. Using OAPI, I downloaded the relevant objects in the bbox [32,-130,39,-110], sorted them to remove the cases where the comma was a legitimate part of a single value (long English descriptions), and then replaced the commas with semicolons in the resulting 8592 objects. Many of these were not "fixes", but were instead entered that way to begin with. Anyone have an issue with me uploading the fixed data? I realize that the issue may exist outside this bbox as well. It might be useful to look for the issue globally. Also, there are probably other tags that legitimately and non-controversially may contain multiple values. I was trying to work out a process, which turns out to be somewhat manual, even with the help of a couple scripts. -- Alan Mintz ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Highway ref again.
At 2012-07-26 18:48, Clay Smalley wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: > > - multiple refs in tag with a semicolon: Many of them had been entered not > too long ago and are clearly not a damage from the redaction. Wasn't the > consensus to use relations? In the past I have only used the ref of the most > important route on the way itself. This is what is rendered on all maps. > secondary routes are only in the relation in case of overlaps. What if they're equally important and recognized (like Interstate 80/90 through Ohio and Indiana, or US 1/9 in New Jersey)? The consumers should not assume anything from the order. Personally, I enter them in alphanumeric order (I think - its been a while). > - state routes. In the past most states have been mapped with > , now many refs have been changed to SR . According to > official documents in California SR is correct. road signs are mixed in > California.Most common is number only but SR or state highway ore state > route is possible too. BUT we have used the for so long and > acrossmany states. should we really change? Generally, the state abbreviation is correct (except in cases like Texas with FM and Loop and Spur routes). The use of SR and SH for state highways was mainly (unnecessarily) brought on by NE2. I guess both are correct, but the former is more descriptive and uniform. I support using the state abbrev, as this was the way that seemed to be favored in the documentation years ago, and doesn't require another tag (which *state*?) to disambiguate. Alternatively, moving the prefix to the network tag is OK, too: ref="I 80;US 101;CA 62" becomes ref="80;101;62" + network="US:I;US;US:CA" Once editors do a better job of creating those relations and keeping them whole, and consumers correctly handle them, I'm ok with moving the tags to relations. At that point, it would make sense to move all the tags at once. Having them in both places doesn't seem all that maintainable. I also use: ref="FH nn" - USFS Forest Highway ref="FR nXn[n][.n]" - USFS Forest Route/Road ref="FT nXn[n][.n]" - USFS Forest Trail For county roads in California, I've used: ref="CR Xn[n]" + network=US:CA:county_name but this probably needs to be changed to remove the county_name part for the roads that are part of the state-wide numbering Xn[n] system, so as to be able to distinguish them from individual counties' road numbers. That is, I think the statewide-numbered county roads, like S14 in Orange County, should be: ref="CR S14" + network="US:CA:County" while San Bernardino County Road 53156 should be: ref="CR 53156" + network="US:CA:San Bernardino" -- Alan Mintz ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
