Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute
I looked a bit more and in many jurisdiction it's illegal anyway to go around a traffic jam by exiting a freeway and go back direct on the next onramp. Even more reason to have a restriction. Tested Google maps and it will make a big detour to avoid this illegal straight on. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Good point, though was hoping someone in the Orlando area other than NE2 > could weigh in (since this is a rare example of me chasing a Mapdust bug > out to his area). > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a ruling >>> on this relation before I revert: >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 >>> >>> Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in >>> Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only markings on >>> the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on >>> movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse >>> that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall >>> having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any >>> such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left >>> turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal >>> standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that >>> section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be >>> omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow >>> would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). >>> >>> Who's right? >>> >>> >> You. it's clearly signed on the pavement. We are no lawyers to challenge >> his interpretation in court. So as long as no one gets a ticket and wins >> the court case it's the right thing to have a restriction. >> And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across tons of >> crap from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even consider >> to contact him. >> >> >>> ___ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >>> >> > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute
Good point, though was hoping someone in the Orlando area other than NE2 could weigh in (since this is a rare example of me chasing a Mapdust bug out to his area). On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a ruling >> on this relation before I revert: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 >> >> Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in >> Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only markings on >> the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on >> movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse >> that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall >> having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any >> such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left >> turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal >> standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that >> section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be >> omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow >> would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). >> >> Who's right? >> >> > You. it's clearly signed on the pavement. We are no lawyers to challenge > his interpretation in court. So as long as no one gets a ticket and wins > the court case it's the right thing to have a restriction. > And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across tons of > crap from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even consider > to contact him. > > >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a ruling > on this relation before I revert: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 > > Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in > Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only markings on > the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on > movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse > that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall > having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any > such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left > turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal > standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that > section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be > omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow > would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). > > Who's right? > > You. it's clearly signed on the pavement. We are no lawyers to challenge his interpretation in court. So as long as no one gets a ticket and wins the court case it's the right thing to have a restriction. And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across tons of crap from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even consider to contact him. > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute
Alright, assuming I don't get feedback to the contrary, I intend to revert http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14958467 later this weekend, probably Sunday. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Clay Smalley wrote: > You. You have the ground truth. He has no right deleting useful data from > OSM. > > I think it's a general rule that when NE2 fights with other OSM > contributors, he loses. > On Feb 8, 2013 2:59 PM, "Paul Johnson" wrote: > >> NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a ruling >> on this relation before I revert: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 >> >> Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in >> Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only markings on >> the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on >> movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse >> that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall >> having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any >> such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left >> turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal >> standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that >> section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be >> omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow >> would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). >> >> Who's right? >> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute
You. You have the ground truth. He has no right deleting useful data from OSM. I think it's a general rule that when NE2 fights with other OSM contributors, he loses. On Feb 8, 2013 2:59 PM, "Paul Johnson" wrote: > NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a ruling > on this relation before I revert: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 > > Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in > Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only markings on > the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on > movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse > that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall > having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any > such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left > turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal > standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that > section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be > omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow > would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). > > Who's right? > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute
NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a ruling on this relation before I revert: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only markings on the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). Who's right? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] State of the Map US 2013, June 8-9 in San Francisco
Hello everyone - We're happy to announce that the 2013 State of the Map US conference will be in beautiful San Francisco at the Mission Bay Conference Center June 8-9. There will be a day of workshops on June 7 and a hack day on June 10. Head over to the announcement on the OpenStreetMap US blog for more details: http://openstreetmap.us/state-of-the-map-us-2013 We're looking forward to four days of learning about the newest and greatest in OpenStreetMap and to catch up with everybody in person. This is an early announcement, stay tuned here on the list, follow @sotmus on twitter, and watch the website stateofthemap.us for updates on: - Call for proposals - Details on the scholarship program and how to apply - Updates on the workshops and how to sign up We're also looking for volunteers to help with planning the conference, specifically helping with outreach. If you're interested, join the [State of the Map SF google group]( https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sotm-sf-planning). This announcement culminates a planning process we kicked off in November [1]. This will be the first time State of the Map US conference takes place in the first half of the year, positioning us better with an international State of the Map conference which will very likely take place in the fall [2]. To move the conference into the first half of the year we have expedited planning and foregone a formal call for venue proposals this year, expect one for 2014 opening in San Francisco. For updates, watch this list, [@sotmus](http://twitter.com/sotmus), and [ stateofthemap.us](http://stateofthemap.us/). Looking forward to seeing many of you in San Francisco! Alex [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-November/009453.html [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2013/Call_for_venues -- Alex Barth Secretary OpenStreetMap United States Inc. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Why you should attend a hack weekend
Folks, This is a very large project, with over a million user accounts, and tens of thousand of active mappers around the world, but we have a relatively small developer community for such a large project. If you've worked on some OSM related code, or are interested in contributing code to OpenStreetMap, you should attend an OSM Hack weekend. These events are unique in that they bring together other developers in the same room. They provide an amazing energy and opportunity that you just don't get online. Last week, I was at the OSM Hack Weekend in London, and I learned about several new projects, including one to help Humanitarian Mapping, one to help with bicycle routing, one to help with data conflation in Potlatch, and an amazing OSM router developed in C# used to help delivery people find the most efficient route to deliver packages (ie to solve the traveling salesman problem). In just one month, there will be another OSM Hack weekend in Toronto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toronto_Hack_Weekend_March_2013 I realize not everyone from the US can take the time/spend the money to go to London, but Toronto is practically right at our doorstep, and I'd like to encourage folks to attend. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
