Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags
Paul you're still ignoring the fact that the only one proposing these routes is an OSM mapper. They aren't being proposed by state, regional, or local bike advocates or by state, regional, or local government agencies. And you're ignoring the fact that the consensus of comments from other OSM members agrees that an OSM mapper creating a map does not constitute proposing a US Bicycle Route. You are the only one arguing for this. Kerry Irons -Original Message- From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:53 PM To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags I see the route numbers as potentially valuable to differentiate routes where two may cross or duplex. Unless I'm missing something fundamental, pretty much every aspect in a state=proposed relation isn't final until it's official, including the route number. Especially since as far as I'm aware, only USBR 76 and possibly USBR 1 has a name. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 6/8/2013 4:18 PM, KerryIrons wrote: Herere just some of the comments from OSM members: I'll add my opinion that I don't see the need for route numbers to be assigned to proposed routes. Dashed lines suffice for the purposes of previewing a possible path. (In which case, like everything else of this sort: admin boundaries, etc., proposed cycle routes could just be stored and rendered outside of the OSM database on an OpenProposedCycleMap.org rendering.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags
Paul, You explicitly said that putting 50 mile wide corridors on OSM would be an important advocacy tool. That does not sound at all like mapping reality. I spend hundreds of hours a year on the phone, corresponding, and attending meetings to make the USBR a reality. I've personally been involved in getting over 2,000 miles of USBRs approved. Don't give me stuff about being obtuse and saying the USBRS is a pipe dream. Personal insults are not the path forward. Kerry Irons From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:24 PM To: OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 3:18 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: So Paul, what you really want is advocacy mapping. Not mapping reality but mapping what you want to have. It comes as a great surprise to me that this is what OSM is all about. Do you think this is the consensus of the OSM community? I thought OSM's goal was to accurately describe the world but you are saying it is also advocacy. No, that's not what I'm advocating, and honestly, the way you're approaching this now, I really have to be wondering if you're being deliberately obtuse. Because if that's actually where you're coming from, you're essentially saying that the USBR system is a pipe dream. I'm not ready to buy that argument because the premise is fundamentally flawed on a level amounting to argumentum ad absurdum. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Seeking recommendation for single POI mapping toolchain
I'm interested in finding a robust, not necessarily free, set of tools for single feature mapping. For example: to openly map public health clinics I'd want: 1. A hosted web map (showing the clinics as a clickable icons). The map should be a module integrable into a larger subject matter website. 2. Android, iOS and Blackberry apps for offline display of clinics. 3. Printable maps (with an area map plus a zoomed in map of each clinic like at http://www.caerusgeo.com/) 4. Android, iOS and Blackberry online data collection (create, review, update, delete). 5. Android, iOS and Blackberry offline data collection (collect changes in field, review and post from a desktop). Again this would be just a tiny subset of OSM: working one feature class at a time. - While the tools are similar, I recognize there are two forks for the location of the backend database: 1) OSM is the backend database (appropriate for, say, bike racks or features OSM generally maps). 2) The sponsoring organization hosts the backend database but simply syncs to osm (appropriate, say, for a national health department that can't risk data pollution, but still wants OSM to be part of data dissemination). - Is there a company or toolchain that puts together something close to the above? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality
Possible drivers of quality: 1. Peer reviewing, as a social gateway to community engagement with new mappers. 2. Hiring a physiologist on retainer to understand obsessed trolls like NE2, and respond appropriately. 3. Supporting single feature mappers. There's a vibrant community of people who collect narrow data: for example RV dump stations. Not everyone has to be an area mapper. 4. Building tools that make it more awkward to make common mistakes. For example certain tags could be semi-locked (producing a educational warning message when altered). source is a candidate tag for this. 5. Building tools that show before and after as a visual diff prior to upload. 6. A point system that unlocks capabilities as a mapper progresses. For example new accounts may be able to edit only 10 features at a time. Accounts can earn and unlock additional capability with successful edits. 7. Ongoing data imports (e.g. conflating a store's database of hours with OSM's cache of the same data). 8. Using select import projects to grow the mapping community. 9. Focusing on finding niches where Open Street Map gets used by people with no (current) interest in mapping. We can't compete with Google Maps for driving directions: but we can *blow Google Maps away* in a huge variety of other ways. *Focus on what map products would be compelling not to create, but to view.* ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OSM Total Users
I'm looking for the estimated amount of total users of OSM (not just registered users). I think I've seen some numbers before (300MM?). If you have a link to some wiki / post that's be great. Thanks, Frederic___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Ninth Birthday celebrations.
Dear All, The ninth birthday of OpenStreetMap is coming up soon. It is tradition to celebrate with parties in various cities where OpenStreetMap contributors can attend and we've had Toronto parties for several of the last few years. Great Lakes area Mappers: Shall we do that again? What should we do this time to draw you in from the surrounding areas, if you haven't attended before? Bear in mind that the trip to Toronto is both worth it and probaby much shorter than the trip to another OpenStreetMap birthday party host city. Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Rochester, Toledo, Syracuse, I'm totally looking at you! Elsewhere Mappers: Which of you are going to host an OSM birthday party in your town? It's fun. If you don't want to make the trip to Toronto, or London England and you think the event sounds like fun, then you should be hosting in your town. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Ninth Birthday celebrations.
What's the day again Richard? If I'm around in DC, would love to raise a pint. * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap talk-us@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Ninth Birthday celebrations. Dear All, The ninth birthday of OpenStreetMap is coming up soon. It is tradition to celebrate with parties in various cities where OpenStreetMap contributors can attend and we've had Toronto parties for several of the last few years. Great Lakes area Mappers: Shall we do that again? What should we do this time to draw you in from the surrounding areas, if you haven't attended before? Bear in mind that the trip to Toronto is both worth it and probaby much shorter than the trip to another OpenStreetMap birthday party host city. Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Rochester, Toledo, Syracuse, I'm totally looking at you! Elsewhere Mappers: Which of you are going to host an OSM birthday party in your town? It's fun. If you don't want to make the trip to Toronto, or London England and you think the event sounds like fun, then you should be hosting in your town. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
