Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: I agree with the sentiment in this wiki page that I quoted here. I think that if there is only 1 POI that occupies the building, then that is best indicated by putting the tags for the POI on the building polygon. If you just have a Node for the POI, then you are not saying anything about the size of the business, and you are not saying anything about whether there are multiple businesses occupying the same building. Though there are often different entities that own the building and the business in the building, I think for OSM we are much more concerned with information about the business If the business closes or moves, then just delete any tags related to the business (shop, phone, website, etc), but keep the building and addr tags. When a new business comes in, add tags as appropriate for that business. Generally I agree with adding the business name to the building polygon. But what do you do when a single business operates in a named building? My choice is to preserve the building name on the polygon and add the business as a node within the building polygon. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing your mapping project. Regards, Greg Greg; There are five locations shown on the Arizona State University Tempe campus. Could you ground truth those? I'll find an excuse to get out that way over the weekend. One is way out there at the Polytechnic campus. I uploaded the Arizona State University points to get you hunting :-). Note that at the Tempe campus, my data shows four stations, the map shows three: http://www.asu.edu/parking/pdf/bike-map.pdf I added a matching map note at: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/315164 The odd thing about mapping bike repair stations is that a huge fraction of them are findable via google in the form of press releases(!). Often there's no map, just a list of places in the text of the press release, and perhaps the name of the Boy Scout who organized the project ;-). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
How about this: particularly in the case of two businesses within one building polygon, create non-building area's for the business tags. Then you get the sense of scale of the business, and preserve the free tagging of the building polygon. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: I agree with the sentiment in this wiki page that I quoted here. I think that if there is only 1 POI that occupies the building, then that is best indicated by putting the tags for the POI on the building polygon. If you just have a Node for the POI, then you are not saying anything about the size of the business, and you are not saying anything about whether there are multiple businesses occupying the same building. Though there are often different entities that own the building and the business in the building, I think for OSM we are much more concerned with information about the business If the business closes or moves, then just delete any tags related to the business (shop, phone, website, etc), but keep the building and addr tags. When a new business comes in, add tags as appropriate for that business. Generally I agree with adding the business name to the building polygon. But what do you do when a single business operates in a named building? My choice is to preserve the building name on the polygon and add the business as a node within the building polygon. Creating the internal node for the business is an option in the case where you want to also have a name tag on the building that is different from the name. Depending on the situation, it may also be more appropriate to put the name on a land use polygon (landuse=retail or landuse=commercial) that surrounds the building and grounds. You could also have more than one name tag on the building by making use of various name tags (for example alt_name or old_name). If there's a name etched in stone that's part of the building denoting it's original use (for example a former elementary school), then I capture that with old_name. Peter ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: This seems to be tagging for the renderer which is not a good idea. If the only thing occupying the building is a single POI, then put the POI tags on the closed Way for the building outline. By adding a new object (Node) for the POI, you are also going against the One feature, one OSM element idea. There are renderers in existence that will display both the house number and the name of a restaurant with food icon. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice There are two features here: the building, and the business. The building and business may well have different owners. In some cases a business will sell it's building but lease back the space. The address is generally an attribute of the building and does not change as tenants come and go. The business inherits the address for the time they are in the building. They may have a website= that keeps working even if they move. --- Thus one could argue that the one feature one osm element rule would want: * Attach an address to the building outline. Tag the owner if that is known (e.g. the leasing company). * Add POI nodes for one or more businesses inside that building. These may have website/phone tags. What you are suggesting is the opposite of what the one feature one osm element page is suggesting. In fact, what you are suggesting is the very first thing in the list of things to avoid: From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element: Examples of bad situations: - An area object representing a single-use building with a point object inside it. Move the tags to the area object and delete the point. I agree with the sentiment in this wiki page that I quoted here. I think that if there is only 1 POI that occupies the building, then that is best indicated by putting the tags for the POI on the building polygon. If you just have a Node for the POI, then you are not saying anything about the size of the business, and you are not saying anything about whether there are multiple businesses occupying the same building. Though there are often different entities that own the building and the business in the building, I think for OSM we are much more concerned with information about the business If the business closes or moves, then just delete any tags related to the business (shop, phone, website, etc), but keep the building and addr tags. When a new business comes in, add tags as appropriate for that business. Peter ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
Weighing in late here (sorry!), Scout US is currently not using OSM addresses for search and geocoding. Martijn On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if osm navigation apps can route you to your location using area's tagged with a full address? I ask because I've been tagging apartment complexes, (Retail area's with names) with full addresses. Adding the data to the area. *Regards,* *Hans* ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I'd like to start with California and Arizona (70 nodes), and add notes where on-site survey is needed to exactly align to the OSM base layer. What's different about this import is that armchair mappers can get only so far, verifying press releases and such. The features are too small to spot even on the best available air photos (e.g. better than the Bing ones). Even the street cameras are not generally enough: this really takes in person spotting. Any more comment / objection? The import wiki page for this ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Dero_Bike_Repair ) references a python script. Is this script available to look at? I'm looking through the mailing lists and I can't find any sample .osm files for data that you plan to import. Can you send out a link? Have you created a separate OSM user account dedicated for this import? Peter ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
