Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

[Marc Gemis]

I thought the "standard" was to put the exit and entrance nodes at the
place where there is no physical barrier. Continuous white lines
should be mapped with change:lanes and should have no impact on the
position of the node. So definitely position "2".
IMHO This is illustrated by the picture on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes

m

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Rihards  wrote:
> On 2017.04.25. 12:19, Horea Meleg wrote:
>> Hy guys, thanks for your responses.
>> Do you think that is better to move motorway_junction where continuous line 
>> begins? In real life you can't cross a continuous line, so I think it should 
>> be the same in OSM. What do you think?
>
> i'd probably go for "between where you may and may not enter the lane",
> maybe even leaning more towards the beginning of the allowed move.
> if you are mapping individual turning lanes, then "between" wouldn't
> work that well - for these, i'd err on starting them where one may enter
> the lane at the beginning.
>
>> Thanks,
>> Horea
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rihards [mailto:ric...@nakts.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 11:05 AM
>> To: Hans De Kryger ; Horea Meleg 
>> 
>> Cc: talk-US@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing
>>
>> On 2017.04.25. 09:50, Hans De Kryger wrote:
>>> The motorway link should be dropped down to 2 where the lane actually
>>> starts
>>
>> between 1 & 2 for sure.
>>
>>> *Regards,**
>>> *
>>>
>>> *Hans*
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Horea Meleg >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Me and my Telenav colleagues started to edit lane numbers in Detroit
>>> area. We met lots of cases where highway_link starts exactly at the
>>> junction of roads. For example, this case here: 42.474427,
>>> -83.155894.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Do you think it is ok to leave motorway_junction as it is already
>>> mapped and add lanes=5 between 1 and motorway_junction, or you
>>> consider it’s better to move it in position 1 or 2 and add lane
>>> number on motorway and motorway_link accordingly.
>>>
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>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Horea Meleg
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Last word on named driveways

[Richard Welty]

On 4/22/17 4:18 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> Given the inconsistency of TIGER data, I would not be surprised if no
> automated effort will be ever attempted to deal with that dataset ever
> again.  That said, there are tilesets out there that show TIGER data
> that thas a newer name or geometry than what OSM has, though this
> itself has it's pitfalls as I've noticed a tendency for such datasets
> to false-positive on a name because OklaDOT renamed something and
> whatever Census-taker mapped it in TIGER kept the old name.
when assessing TIGER, it's good to keep in mind that it's a moving
target. the
copy that was imported into OSM was the 2007 version, which was midway
through
the improvement project, and the reason why some parts of TIGER are much
less
bad than other parts of TIGER in OSM.

there are various layers available which render newer TIGER so it can be
used as
a backdrop image for editing, i sometimes use these when cleaning up older,
obviously bad TIGER.  and TIGER really is improving. a major part of
that is that
the Census Bureau is trying to work with local GIS departments more and
reduce
their direct involvement in maintainence, which seems to me to be the
right way
to go.

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

[Rihards]

On 2017.04.25. 12:19, Horea Meleg wrote:
> Hy guys, thanks for your responses.
> Do you think that is better to move motorway_junction where continuous line 
> begins? In real life you can't cross a continuous line, so I think it should 
> be the same in OSM. What do you think?

i'd probably go for "between where you may and may not enter the lane",
maybe even leaning more towards the beginning of the allowed move.
if you are mapping individual turning lanes, then "between" wouldn't
work that well - for these, i'd err on starting them where one may enter
the lane at the beginning.

> Thanks,
> Horea
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rihards [mailto:ric...@nakts.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 11:05 AM
> To: Hans De Kryger ; Horea Meleg 
> 
> Cc: talk-US@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing
> 
> On 2017.04.25. 09:50, Hans De Kryger wrote:
>> The motorway link should be dropped down to 2 where the lane actually 
>> starts
> 
> between 1 & 2 for sure.
> 
>> *Regards,**
>> *
>>
>> *Hans*
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Horea Meleg > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Me and my Telenav colleagues started to edit lane numbers in Detroit
>> area. We met lots of cases where highway_link starts exactly at the
>> junction of roads. For example, this case here: 42.474427,
>> -83.155894.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Do you think it is ok to leave motorway_junction as it is already
>> mapped and add lanes=5 between 1 and motorway_junction, or you
>> consider it’s better to move it in position 1 or 2 and add lane
>> number on motorway and motorway_link accordingly.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Horea Meleg
>>
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>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

[Horea Meleg]

Hy guys, thanks for your responses.
Do you think that is better to move motorway_junction where continuous line 
begins? In real life you can't cross a continuous line, so I think it should be 
the same in OSM. What do you think?

Thanks,
Horea

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Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 11:05 AM
To: Hans De Kryger ; Horea Meleg 

Cc: talk-US@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

On 2017.04.25. 09:50, Hans De Kryger wrote:
> The motorway link should be dropped down to 2 where the lane actually 
> starts

between 1 & 2 for sure.

> *Regards,**
> *
> 
> *Hans*
> 
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Horea Meleg  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Me and my Telenav colleagues started to edit lane numbers in Detroit
> area. We met lots of cases where highway_link starts exactly at the
> junction of roads. For example, this case here: 42.474427,
> -83.155894.
> 
> 
> 
> Do you think it is ok to leave motorway_junction as it is already
> mapped and add lanes=5 between 1 and motorway_junction, or you
> consider it’s better to move it in position 1 or 2 and add lane
> number on motorway and motorway_link accordingly.
> 
> __ __
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Horea Meleg
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Fixing Multipolygons

[Jochen Topf]

Hi!

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 02:19:25PM -0400, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> How current is the information behind your map? I've been tidying some
> multipolygons locally, and they seem to be rendering only on the left side.
> I don't think I've actually broken anything. If it might be more than a
> couple of weeks old, then I can explain that it's simply rendering old, bad
> data.

The map data is updated continuously from minutely diffs, but the map
tiles weren't expired automatically, so you might well have been seeing
old data. I have added a daily expiry now.

The overlay with the red multipolygon outlines is updated and the tiles
expired daily.

If you still see discrepancies, check the OSM Inspector
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas . If it reports any problems,
fix those. Then, if there are still problems, email me or open an issue
at https://github.com/osmlab/fixing-polygons-in-osm/issues with specific
information about the OSM objects that are rendered incorrectly.

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

[Rihards]

On 2017.04.25. 09:50, Hans De Kryger wrote:
> The motorway link should be dropped down to 2 where the lane actually starts

between 1 & 2 for sure.

> *Regards,**
> *
> 
> *Hans*
> 
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Horea Meleg  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Me and my Telenav colleagues started to edit lane numbers in Detroit
> area. We met lots of cases where highway_link starts exactly at the
> junction of roads. For example, this case here: 42.474427,
> -83.155894.
> 
> 
> 
> Do you think it is ok to leave motorway_junction as it is already
> mapped and add lanes=5 between 1 and motorway_junction, or you
> consider it’s better to move it in position 1 or 2 and add lane
> number on motorway and motorway_link accordingly.
> 
> __ __
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Horea Meleg
> 
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