[Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Clifford Snow]

Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company (SEO),
have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel pointed out the
problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to add their client to a
street, often changing the name of the street to the company.  Fortunately
they made it easy to find using overpass [1] by adding in the clients
address, phone number, source and website. The query looks for addresses
and websites on ways.

West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false positives when
running the query, they are all park polygons with both leisure=park and
highway=pedestrian. The website url is of the park.

If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they did, just
run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc. to get a list of
ways that match the query. From there just select the way which will open
OSM in another tab where you can use your favorite editor to fix. Use the
history feature or TIGER data to get the correct road name. The addr:street
they added may not be anywhere near your way.

[1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Ian Dees]

I fixed just about all of the problems east of the Mississippi.

It'd probably be worth doing a more in-depth analysis on these SEO edits at
some point. They all seem to add similar tags, use Sentence Case in user
names, and only have one edit.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company (SEO),
> have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel pointed out the
> problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to add their client to a
> street, often changing the name of the street to the company.  Fortunately
> they made it easy to find using overpass [1] by adding in the clients
> address, phone number, source and website. The query looks for addresses
> and websites on ways.
>
> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false positives
> when running the query, they are all park polygons with both leisure=park
> and highway=pedestrian. The website url is of the park.
>
> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they did, just
> run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc. to get a list of
> ways that match the query. From there just select the way which will open
> OSM in another tab where you can use your favorite editor to fix. Use the
> history feature or TIGER data to get the correct road name. The addr:street
> they added may not be anywhere near your way.
>
> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>
> Thanks,
> Clifford
>
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 06/30/2017 06:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company
> (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US.

Was it not possible to determine the user accounts responsible and then
have DWG revert all their contributions? Or did these accounts also
contribute good data?

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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Ian Dees]

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 06/30/2017 06:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
> > Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company
> > (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US.
>
> Was it not possible to determine the user accounts responsible and then
> have DWG revert all their contributions? Or did these accounts also
> contribute good data?


Every edit was made by a new/separate user account that only ever makes one
edit. In most cases, these edits are useful (it's someone adding a business
POI) but in some cases they add the details to the wrong piece of geometry.

Figuring out who is behind these edits and if the data is acceptable to add
to OSM is another matter.
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Joseph R. Justice]

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>
> See map in upper right part of page
>

Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...



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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[David Kewley]

It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.

It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have in
the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might be
able to help with this issue:

   - Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
   https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters.
   - Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
   field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
   office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
   outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from
   
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1.
   Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
   - On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
   they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
   https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft.
   While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
   they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this
   way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
   went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)

I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone
else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.

David

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice 
wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>>
>> See map in upper right part of page
>>
>
> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
> field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
> a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
> Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...
>
>
>
> Joseph
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Dale Puch]

A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are providing
the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so for lots
of other sites.
Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page
though.

Dale Puch

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
wrote:

> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>
> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might
> be able to help with this issue:
>
>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
>https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
>.
>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/
>contact-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
>
> .
>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
>they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
>https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
>.
>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this
>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>
> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone
> else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>>>
>>> See map in upper right part of page
>>>
>>
>> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
>> field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
>> a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
>> Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Rihards]

On 2017.06.30. 22:37, Dale Puch wrote:
> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do
> so for lots of other sites.
> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page
> page though.

leaflet is a library anybody can use - i assume they won't be happy
about people bothering them same as apache httpd project wouldn't be.

> Dale Puch
> 
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley  > wrote:
> 
> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of
> the national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They
> all credit Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without
> crediting OSM.
> 
> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to
> have in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find
> any technical feedback links at all on fbi.gov .
> Ideas for contacting someone who might be able to help with this issue:
> 
>   * Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000
>  from
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
> .
>   * Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at
> various field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of
> each field office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office,
> it's outreach...@ic.fbi.gov 
> from 
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
> 
> .
> Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>   * On their "Businesses"
> page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses
> , they have a link for
> "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy"
> at https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
> .
> While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP
> theft issues they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to
> get someone's help this way, since it's their own website.
> (Although the reporting methods I found went to other offices,
> not obviously directly to the FBI.)
> 
> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if
> someone else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
> 
> David
> 
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice
> mailto:jayare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson
> mailto:miketh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
> 
> 
> See map in upper right part of page
> 
> 
> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the
> nation-wide field office locator referred to in a separate post
> in this thread, include a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link? 
> Or even just a "Contact Us" link?  Those would be a first
> obvious point of contact, I'd think...
> 
> 
> 
> Joseph
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Simon Poole]

I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't help
noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because the TeleNav
data team has added lane tagging on them 

Simon


Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow:
> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company
> (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel
> pointed out the problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to
> add their client to a street, often changing the name of the street to
> the company.  Fortunately they made it easy to find using overpass [1]
> by adding in the clients address, phone number, source and website.
> The query looks for addresses and websites on ways. 
>
> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false positives
> when running the query, they are all park polygons with both
> leisure=park and highway=pedestrian. The website url is of the park.
>
> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they did,
> just run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc. to get a
> list of ways that match the query. From there just select the way
> which will open OSM in another tab where you can use your favorite
> editor to fix. Use the history feature or TIGER data to get the
> correct road name. The addr:street they added may not be anywhere near
> your way. 
>
> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>
> Thanks,
> Clifford
>
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Simon Poole]

A good example is "Box-n-Go Self Storage North" road in North Hollywood
(I believe it should really be Laurel Canyon Boulevard) I would suggest
TeleNav cleaning that up themselves.


Am 30.06.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Simon Poole:
>
> I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't help
> noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because the
> TeleNav data team has added lane tagging on them 
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow:
>> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company
>> (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel
>> pointed out the problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to
>> add their client to a street, often changing the name of the street
>> to the company.  Fortunately they made it easy to find using overpass
>> [1] by adding in the clients address, phone number, source and
>> website. The query looks for addresses and websites on ways. 
>>
>> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false
>> positives when running the query, they are all park polygons with
>> both leisure=park and highway=pedestrian. The website url is of the park.
>>
>> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they did,
>> just run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc. to get a
>> list of ways that match the query. From there just select the way
>> which will open OSM in another tab where you can use your favorite
>> editor to fix. Use the history feature or TIGER data to get the
>> correct road name. The addr:street they added may not be anywhere
>> near your way. 
>>
>> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Clifford
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Simon Poole]

I would suggest that TeleNav fixes the mess they made here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/402471851#map=18/34.18198/-118.39599
themselves.


Am 30.06.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Simon Poole:
>
> I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't help
> noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because the
> TeleNav data team has added lane tagging on them 
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow:
>> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company
>> (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel
>> pointed out the problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to
>> add their client to a street, often changing the name of the street
>> to the company.  Fortunately they made it easy to find using overpass
>> [1] by adding in the clients address, phone number, source and
>> website. The query looks for addresses and websites on ways. 
>>
>> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false
>> positives when running the query, they are all park polygons with
>> both leisure=park and highway=pedestrian. The website url is of the park.
>>
>> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they did,
>> just run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc. to get a
>> list of ways that match the query. From there just select the way
>> which will open OSM in another tab where you can use your favorite
>> editor to fix. Use the history feature or TIGER data to get the
>> correct road name. The addr:street they added may not be anywhere
>> near your way. 
>>
>> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Clifford
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Ian Dees]

First of all, that's Mapbox's data team that made the changes since the SEO
editor added junk, not Telenav,

Second: please don't spread your negative attitude on the talk-us list. If
you don't want to fix the map, then move on and leave it for someone else
to fix. Don't complain about it. Or if you're going to point it out, at
least try to use a positive, constructive voice rather than a hateful one.

Thanks,
Ian

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I would suggest that TeleNav fixes the mess they made here
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/402471851#map=18/34.18198/-118.39599
> themselves.
>
> Am 30.06.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Simon Poole:
>
> I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't help
> noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because the TeleNav
> data team has added lane tagging on them 
>
> Simon
>
> Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow:
>
> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company (SEO),
> have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel pointed out the
> problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to add their client to a
> street, often changing the name of the street to the company.  Fortunately
> they made it easy to find using overpass [1] by adding in the clients
> address, phone number, source and website. The query looks for addresses
> and websites on ways.
>
> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false positives
> when running the query, they are all park polygons with both leisure=park
> and highway=pedestrian. The website url is of the park.
>
> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they did, just
> run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc. to get a list of
> ways that match the query. From there just select the way which will open
> OSM in another tab where you can use your favorite editor to fix. Use the
> history feature or TIGER data to get the correct road name. The addr:street
> they added may not be anywhere near your way.
>
> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>
> Thanks,
> Clifford
>
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Denis Carriere]

It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is
disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.

*~~*
*Denis Carriere*

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:

> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so
> for lots of other sites.
> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page
> though.
>
> Dale Puch
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
> wrote:
>
>> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
>> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
>> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>>
>> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
>> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
>> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might
>> be able to help with this issue:
>>
>>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
>>https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
>>.
>>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/conta
>>ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
>>
>> .
>>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
>>they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
>>https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
>>.
>>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help 
>> this
>>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
>>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>>
>> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if
>> someone else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver

 See map in upper right part of page

>>>
>>> Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide
>>> field office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include
>>> a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?
>>> Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Simon Poole]

Am 30.06.2017 um 22:59 schrieb Ian Dees:
> First of all, that's Mapbox's data team that made the changes since
> the SEO editor added junk, not Telenav,

Sorry, but making about a dozen edits on a road (including changing the
tagging) -without- raising an eyebrow about its tagging is not better
than spamming on purpose (in the end they jkust want to improve their
life too, why not give them some slack).

But you obviously believe that mindless mechanical editing is a good
thing ... more power to you is the only thing I can say to that.

Simon


>
> Second: please don't spread your negative attitude on the talk-us
> list. If you don't want to fix the map, then move on and leave it for
> someone else to fix. Don't complain about it. Or if you're going to
> point it out, at least try to use a positive, constructive voice
> rather than a hateful one.
>
> Thanks,
> Ian
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Simon Poole  > wrote:
>
> I would suggest that TeleNav fixes the mess they made here
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/402471851#map=18/34.18198/-118.39599
> 
> themselves.
>
>
> Am 30.06.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Simon Poole:
>>
>> I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't
>> help noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because
>> the TeleNav data team has added lane tagging on them 
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow:
>>> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization
>>> company (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn
>>> Van Exel pointed out the problem on Slack the other day. What
>>> they did was to add their client to a street, often changing the
>>> name of the street to the company.  Fortunately they made it
>>> easy to find using overpass [1] by adding in the clients
>>> address, phone number, source and website. The query looks for
>>> addresses and websites on ways. 
>>>
>>> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false
>>> positives when running the query, they are all park polygons
>>> with both leisure=park and highway=pedestrian. The website url
>>> is of the park.
>>>
>>> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they
>>> did, just run the overpass query for an area, state, county,
>>> etc. to get a list of ways that match the query. From there just
>>> select the way which will open OSM in another tab where you can
>>> use your favorite editor to fix. Use the history feature or
>>> TIGER data to get the correct road name. The addr:street they
>>> added may not be anywhere near your way. 
>>>
>>> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Clifford
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Dale Puch]

My mistake, Leaflet's example map and code on their main page do show
correct attribution to OSM

So back to the FBI  https://www.fbi.gov/cve508/technical-support seems to
suggest contacting a community outreach specialist in your local field
office (via a dead link for me).
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/richmond/community-outreach-1
just lists training...@ic.fbi.gov as a possible contact

Dale Puch

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Denis Carriere 
wrote:

> It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is
> disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
>
>> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
>> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so
>> for lots of other sites.
>> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page
>> page though.
>>
>> Dale Puch
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
>>> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
>>> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>>>
>>> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
>>> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
>>> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who
>>> might be able to help with this issue:
>>>
>>>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from
>>>https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters
>>>.
>>>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>>>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>>>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>>>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/conta
>>>ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancisco/community-outreach-1
>>>
>>> .
>>>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>>>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resources/businesses,
>>>they have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at
>>>https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
>>>.
>>>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>>>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help 
>>> this
>>>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I 
>>> found
>>>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>>>
>>> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if
>>> someone else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice >> > wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
 wrote:

 https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/denver
>
> See map in upper right part of page
>

 Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the
 nation-wide field office locator referred to in a separate post in this
 thread, include a "Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a
 "Contact Us" link?  Those would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd
 think...



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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Mikel Maron]

I'm going to check with some USG tech friends to see if they know anyone on the 
FBI web team. I think it may prove more expedient and get better attention than 
calling or emailing parts of the bureau which have little to do with this.
-Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Friday, June 30, 2017 5:28 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
 

 My mistake, Leaflet's example map and code on their main page do show correct 
attribution to OSM

So back to the FBI  https://www.fbi.gov/cve508/technical-support seems to 
suggest contacting a community outreach specialist in your local field office 
(via a dead link for me).
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/richmond/community-outreach-1 just 
lists training...@ic.fbi.gov as a possible contact 
Dale Puch
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Denis Carriere  
wrote:

It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is 
disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.
~~Denis Carriere
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:

A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are providing the 
actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so for lots of other 
sites.
Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page 
though.

Dale Puch
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley  wrote:

It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the 
national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit 
Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have in the 
early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical feedback 
links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might be able to help 
with this issue:   
   - Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from 
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us /fbi-headquarters.
   - Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various field 
offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field office's page). 
E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from 
https://www.fbi.gov/conta ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancis 
co/community-outreach-1. Some other field offices also have outreach email 
addresses.
   - On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resou rces/businesses, they 
have a link for "Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at 
https://www.fbi.gov/investi gate/white-collar-crime/piracy -ip-theft. While 
this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues they tend to 
spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this way, since it's 
their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found went to other 
offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone else 
does follow up, please let us all know what happens.

David
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice  wrote:

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us /field-offices/denver

See map in upper right part of page

Does either the page for the Denver field office, and/or the nation-wide field 
office locator referred to in a separate post in this thread, include a 
"Contact the Webmaster" sort of link?  Or even just a "Contact Us" link?  Those 
would be a first obvious point of contact, I'd think...


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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Tod Fitch]

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
> 
> Am 30.06.2017 um 22:59 schrieb Ian Dees:
>> First of all, that's Mapbox's data team that made the changes since the SEO 
>> editor added junk, not Telenav,
> 
> Sorry, but making about a dozen edits on a road (including changing the 
> tagging) -without- raising an eyebrow about its tagging is not better than 
> spamming on purpose (in the end they jkust want to improve their life too, 
> why not give them some slack).
> 
> But you obviously believe that mindless mechanical editing is a good thing 
> ... more power to you is the only thing I can say to that.
> 

Getting way off topic. . .

Probably not a matter of “mindless mechanical editing” as much as paid editing 
vs amateur editing. In this case I will go with the antique meaning of amateur 
“one who does something because they love doing it”.

This will happen to some extent in any situation where relatively lowly paid 
people are making the edits: Unless the incentives are carefully created and 
managed there will be people doing the minimum they can get away with and still 
be paid. And if the incentives are poorly designed and managed the people who 
care and take the time to “do it right” will be called on the carpet for not 
being “productive”.

In my opinion, the typical amateur mapper’s goal is to create a perfect map 
(not possible but a nice goal). Even if their focus is on power lines or fire 
hydrants they will fix the obvious errors on unrelated things they find around 
the items they went in to add or fix. At least I find that for myself: When 
driving I might notice via OsmAnd that a road has no maxspeed tags. When I go 
in to fix that, I add or fix lanes, turn lanes, surface material, stop signs, 
traffic lights, adjacent service roads, parking, etc. So a simple edit of a 
single tag on a single highway segment can turn into a hour of reviewing notes, 
checking imagery, making updates/corrections. It is highly unlikely that a 
person who is being rated/paid/promoted on how soon they can get maxspeed (or 
turn:lanes) tags complete for an arbitrary box on the map will take the time to 
see if all the other things that make the map useful, even for their focus area 
of routing and route guidance, are up to the current standard.
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 06/30/2017 07:24 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> Every edit was made by a new/separate user account that only ever makes
> one edit. In most cases, these edits are useful (it's someone adding a
> business POI) but in some cases they add the details to the wrong piece
> of geometry.

I see. We had a couple similar issues in the past, presumably from some
kind of SaaS SEO tool that will automatically sign up new accounts for
users of the tool. But we might also be dealing with "mechanical
turk"(*) type of human work.

These tools tend to get more sophisticated in flying under our
collective radar, but usually not sophisticated enough to get the
tagging quite right and avoid adding duplicate data.

The addition of advertising copy in the changeset comment is something
I've seen a lot (often duplicated or amended by a note or description tag).

I wonder if downloading a changeset planet and feeding all changeset
comments to some sort of Bayes filter could help identify more problems.

Bye
Frederik

(*) Where I live this term would be considered really offensive towards
those who do this kind of work but it seems to be the normal term in the US?

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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Clifford Snow]

Simon,
Thanks for looking at them. Fortunately there wasn't too many to fix
mannually. Some of vandalism goes back 2 or 3 years if I recall correctly.
I did check Canada thinking that they might have hit them as well, but
other than some strange addresses on ways, it was clean.

Ian Dees did fixed the remaining of the problems.

I plan to look at the original changesets to see if there is any clue which
company was behind it. Do you know if I gave the systems admin people a
list of user if they could check the email used to create the account
belongs to one company?

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't help
> noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because the TeleNav
> data team has added lane tagging on them 
>
> Simon
>
> Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow:
>
> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company (SEO),
> have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel pointed out the
> problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to add their client to a
> street, often changing the name of the street to the company.  Fortunately
> they made it easy to find using overpass [1] by adding in the clients
> address, phone number, source and website. The query looks for addresses
> and websites on ways.
>
> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false positives
> when running the query, they are all park polygons with both leisure=park
> and highway=pedestrian. The website url is of the park.
>
> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they did, just
> run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc. to get a list of
> ways that match the query. From there just select the way which will open
> OSM in another tab where you can use your favorite editor to fix. Use the
> history feature or TIGER data to get the correct road name. The addr:street
> they added may not be anywhere near your way.
>
> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>
> Thanks,
> Clifford
>
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Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 06/30/2017 11:21 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:
> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization company
> (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn Van Exel pointed
> out the problem on Slack the other day. What they did was to add their
> client to a street, often changing the name of the street to the
> company.  Fortunately they made it easy to find using overpass [1] by
> adding in the clients address, phone number, source and website. The
> query looks for addresses and websites on ways. 
[...]

This has been ongoing for a while. I honestly think calling it "SEO
damage" is charitable. This is hit-and-run vandalism done by people who
happen to be engaged in SEO as a business, and it needs to be handled
similarly to how we would normally handle vandalism.

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Re: [Talk-us] FBI using OSM on website... without attribution

[Joseph R. Justice]

(Well, since everybody else is top posting...)

Since it was my bright idea to contact the webmaster, and since everyone
else posting seems to claim that no such link exists, I thought I'd go
ahead and look and see if I could find something others had missed.

Well, no, I can't find a "Contact the Webmaster" link, or even a "Contact
Us" *e-mail* link, either.  (The link
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters gives a paper mail address
and phone number, but no e-mail address.)

I did however find an "Accessibility" page,
https://www.fbi.gov/accessibility , which says:

"If you have any other questions or problems about the FBI.gov site, you
may contact the FBI.gov content manager in writing or via telephone at:

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Attention: FBI Internet Content Manager
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Room 7790-C
Washington, DC 20535-0001
(202) 324-3000

You can also send an e-mail to fbi_accessibil...@ic.fbi.gov."

That might be of some use, even tho this isn't specifically an
accessibility issue.  If nothing else, hopefully they would know how to
forward a legal / copyright issue on to whomever within the web team there
is supposed to deal with such.

If someone does contact them about this issue, perhaps a suggestion that
there should be a "Contact the Webmaster" link or web form or something
should be made, too?

Hope this is of some use, interest.  Thanks for your time.  Be well.



On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

> I'm going to check with some USG tech friends to see if they know anyone
> on the FBI web team. I think it may prove more expedient and get better
> attention than calling or emailing parts of the bureau which have little to
> do with this.
>
> -Mikel
>
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>
>
> On Friday, June 30, 2017 5:28 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
>
>
> My mistake, Leaflet's example map and code on their main page do show
> correct attribution to OSM
>
> So back to the FBI  https://www.fbi.gov/cve508/technical-support seems to
> suggest contacting a community outreach specialist in your local field
> office (via a dead link for me).
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/richmond/community-outreach-1
> just lists training...@ic.fbi.gov as a possible contact
>
> Dale Puch
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Denis Carriere 
> wrote:
>
> It's not Leaflet's fault the attribution is incorrect, their website is
> disabling the default attribution and adding a custom one.
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Dale Puch  wrote:
>
> A better route is to contact http://leafletjs.com/ since they are
> providing the actual map data thru their script.  Also they probably do so
> for lots of other sites.
> Leaflet does attribute Openstreetmap at the bottom of their main page page
> though.
>
> Dale Puch
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David Kewley 
> wrote:
>
> It looks like all the FBI field office sites are essentially part of the
> national site, so they're all probably managed centrally. They all credit
> Leaflet in the map widget, and use OSM tiles without crediting OSM.
>
> It's been years since I've noticed webmaster links, like we used to have
> in the early days of the Web. Poking around, I couldn't find any technical
> feedback links at all on fbi.gov. Ideas for contacting someone who might
> be able to help with this issue:
>
>- Call the national FBI number: (202) 324-3000 from 
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us
>/fbi-headquarters .
>- Email one of the Community Outreach addresses available at various
>field offices ("Community Outreach" link near the top of each field
>office's page). E.g. for the San Francisco office, it's
>outreach...@ic.fbi.gov from https://www.fbi.gov/conta
>ct-us/field-offices/sanfrancis co/community-outreach-1
>
> .
>Some other field offices also have outreach email addresses.
>- On their "Businesses" page https://www.fbi.gov/resou rces/businesses
>, they have a link for
>"Intellectual Property Theft/Piracy" at https://www.fbi.gov/investi
>gate/white-collar-crime/piracy -ip-theft
>.
>While this issue seems economically tiny compared to the IP theft issues
>they tend to spend time on, it might be possible to get someone's help this
>way, since it's their own website. (Although the reporting methods I found
>went to other offices, not obviously directly to the FBI.)
>
> I won't be following up on these in the foreseeable future, but if someone
> else does follow up, please let us all know what happens.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Joseph R. Justice 
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> https://www

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

[Simon Poole]

Am 01.07.2017 um 03:54 schrieb Clifford Snow:
> Simon,
> Thanks for looking at them. Fortunately there wasn't too many to fix
> mannually. Some of vandalism goes back 2 or 3 years if I recall
> correctly. I did check Canada thinking that they might have hit them
> as well, but other than some strange addresses on ways, it was clean.
>
> Ian Dees did fixed the remaining of the problems. 
>
> I plan to look at the original changesets to see if there is any clue
> which company was behind it. Do you know if I gave the systems admin
> people a list of user if they could check the email used to create the
> account belongs to one company?

I've already touched on this with the sys admins and saved refs to the
ones that I fixed. However it is unlikely that we will do any thing with
the information as the accounts are extremely unlikely to be reused, and
on the other hand, given that we have a known US based SEO company that
has created (literally) 1000s of such accounts (but with slightly less
spammy edits), and "we" haven't taken any action, why should we in this
case?

Simon

>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Simon Poole  > wrote:
>
> I''m in the process of fixing a couple of these. and I couldn't
> help noticing that some of them can't simply be reverted because
> the TeleNav data team has added lane tagging on them 
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 30.06.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Clifford Snow:
>> Edits, from what appears to be a search engine optimization
>> company (SEO), have damaged a number of ways in the US. Martijn
>> Van Exel pointed out the problem on Slack the other day. What
>> they did was to add their client to a street, often changing the
>> name of the street to the company.  Fortunately they made it easy
>> to find using overpass [1] by adding in the clients address,
>> phone number, source and website. The query looks for addresses
>> and websites on ways. 
>>
>> West of the Mississippi has been fixed. There are some false
>> positives when running the query, they are all park polygons with
>> both leisure=park and highway=pedestrian. The website url is of
>> the park.
>>
>> If someone would like to help clean up the rest of damage they
>> did, just run the overpass query for an area, state, county, etc.
>> to get a list of ways that match the query. From there just
>> select the way which will open OSM in another tab where you can
>> use your favorite editor to fix. Use the history feature or TIGER
>> data to get the correct road name. The addr:street they added may
>> not be anywhere near your way. 
>>
>> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/q5A
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Clifford
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