Re: [Talk-us] New to lists and would like to suggest some imports

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 19:54:09 -0500
Russell Meier  wrote:

> I am not sure were to start.

(...)
 
> Thanks,
> 
> Treldin

Assuming that you are https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Treldin - I
would start from manual mapping to be better aware how mapper
interacts with data.

Check quality of data, frequently official data is not good enough to
import it.

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Re: [Talk-us] New to lists and would like to suggest some imports

[Michael Patrick]

I just took a cursory sample of a couple 'mostly useful to OSM' the
Tennessee data, and me thinks their deployment isn't all that well thought
out. The collection appears to be a mix of Open, public, licensed for
certain uses, and joint licensing. For instance the Transportation / Roads
has the license in the metadata:

*"Use_Constraints: (C) 1984-2007 by Tele Atlas(R). All rights reserved.
This material is proprietary and the subject of copyright protection and
other intellectual property rights owned by or licensed to Tele Atlas(R)
and its affiliates. The use of this material is subject to the terms of a
license agreement. You will be held liable for any unauthorized copying or
disclosure of this material."*

Sometimes of the 'joint venture' data can be complicated. For instance, the
Puget Sound Lidar Commission data is totally open, but this an exception -
jurisdictions will usually get a huge price break for a survey if they only
use the data themselves and the vendor gets to sell it to anybody else.

This sometimes includes derivatives also - like the building footprints.
Sometimes individual counties reserve license on their contributions to a
statewide dataset.

Michael Patrick
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[Talk-us] [Imports-us] New to lists and would like to suggest some imports

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

I would add that the guidance of an OSM volunteer with some experience with 
importing can be quite helpful.

It is easy to be eager to complete an import.  It can be challenging, 
especially for novice mappers or those unexperienced with "medium-sized" 
projects like this to do one for the first time and get it completely right, 
very especially to "go it alone."  In the ham radio world, we would sometimes 
call such a person an "Elmer."  Often an older, calm, cool, collected, 
been-around-the-block sort of person who knows a couple of things about a 
couple of things and likes to help others solve problems that might crop up.

Seek some greater community and ask around of those who answer, listening to 
their experience with Mapping Parties or other imports.  Doing this simply 
strengthens our community.  Take your time, there is never any rush to import.  
Quality above quantity or speed.

SteveA
California
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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports-us] New to lists and would like to suggest some imports

[Richard Welty]

first things first. the import guidelines are here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

second, the licensing is critical. make absolutely sure that the state
has a clear statement
of public domain, CC0 or equivalent license.

probably the most valuable import would be conflated address points and
building footprints.
NYC did such an import, and Mass as well. they have import pages that
are worth looking over.
Jason Remillard has tools from the Mass project here:

https://github.com/jremillard/osm-import-toolkit

you can use the import-us mailing list to kick things around and discuss
what you're
trying to do. you need to prepare a page describing your import proposal
and it will
eventually have to be brought to the import mailing list for review. the
better the job
you do before going to the import list, the better off everyone will be.

i'm currently developing a plan for a NYS address points import
(hopefully with building
footprints) and so i'm in a somewhat similar place right now.

richard

On 1/8/18 7:54 PM, Russell Meier wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
>  
>
> I am new to the idea of discussing additions to OSM and like to do my
> best to follow best practices in suggesting an import. I am not sure
> were to start.
>
>  
>
> I live in Tennessee USA. The State of Tennessee has posted a number of
> datasets without any license restrictions on this site
> tn-tnmap.opendata.arcgis.com . I would like to suggest some of this
> data would be useful in open street maps. For now I would like to add
> a building outline data set to OSM and a state parks trails data set.
>
>  
>
> As I am new to the idea of putting up data for discussion before it is
> added to OSM I am not sure what information would be best to include
> to begin a discussion/ review process. I would appreciate some
> suggestions advice as to what information to include in this
> suggestion / request for review.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> Treldin
>
> (Russell Meier)
>
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Re: [Talk-us] New to lists and would like to suggest some imports

[Joe Sapletal]

Would be nice to combine those building polygons with address data.  If they 
don’t have any readily available it looks like http://results.openaddresses.io/ 
has collected a lot of address data for Tennessee.  Could be a really big 
project to get the community behind.  Might be fun.

Joe

From: Russell Meier
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 7:16 PM
To: imports...@openstreetmap.org; talk-us@openstreetmap.org; 
impo...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-us] New to lists and would like to suggest some imports

Greetings,

I am new to the idea of discussing additions to OSM and like to do my best to 
follow best practices in suggesting an import. I am not sure were to start.

I live in Tennessee USA. The State of Tennessee has posted a number of datasets 
without any license restrictions on this site tn-tnmap.opendata.arcgis.com . I 
would like to suggest some of this data would be useful in open street maps. 
For now I would like to add a building outline data set to OSM and a state 
parks trails data set. 

As I am new to the idea of putting up data for discussion before it is added to 
OSM I am not sure what information would be best to include to begin a 
discussion/ review process. I would appreciate some suggestions advice as to 
what information to include in this suggestion / request for review.

Thanks,

Treldin
(Russell Meier)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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[Talk-us] New to lists and would like to suggest some imports

[Russell Meier]

Greetings,

I am new to the idea of discussing additions to OSM and like to do my best to 
follow best practices in suggesting an import. I am not sure were to start.

I live in Tennessee USA. The State of Tennessee has posted a number of datasets 
without any license restrictions on this site tn-tnmap.opendata.arcgis.com . I 
would like to suggest some of this data would be useful in open street maps. 
For now I would like to add a building outline data set to OSM and a state 
parks trails data set. 

As I am new to the idea of putting up data for discussion before it is added to 
OSM I am not sure what information would be best to include to begin a 
discussion/ review process. I would appreciate some suggestions advice as to 
what information to include in this suggestion / request for review.

Thanks,

Treldin
(Russell Meier)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

What most of us largely "know" (in this context, as we, myself included, posit 
both opinion and potential solutions) comes from a web-based news article.  It 
isn't clear to me that a local ordinance has already passed specifying 
"something."  Same with signs on-the-ground, speaking personally, I don't know.

We are a know-it, see-it, tag-it project.  Local knowledge is helpful and often 
preferred.  Please let those guide us here.

SteveA
California
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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:53:02 -0500
Jack Burke  wrote:

> I'll leave it to others to decide what, if anything, we should do
> about this. 

Tag traffic signs? It is not clear from article is it 

- motor_vehicle=destination
- vehicle=destination
- toll=yes
- nothing, article is just misleading or incomplete

Or some of above combined with conditions.

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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[Rihards]

On 2018.01.08. 21:42, Andrew Matheny wrote:
>>are there matching street signs ?
> 
> I'm not sure. But if we know a street has legally-restricted access, I
> think our tagging should match that access regardless of whether there's
> a sign or not. 

yeah, my question was exactly about this - how is this legally codified ?
if they intend to rely on stopping random people and asking "WHAT
BUSINESS YOU HAVE HERE", it will stop soon.

> Example: Service roads inside an apartment complex (usually tagged
> "access=private") are an example of tagging access without a sign.

these are public streets, though

> If anything, I'm betting they'll have signs posted on the unaffected
> major streets at city limits, which is where you'll often see signs
> about cell phone usage while driving or red light cameras.

sorry, did you mean "affected" ?

>>of course, a better approach would be adding traffic calming features or
> making roads one-way so that cut-through would not be beneficial much.
> 
> Respectfully, I don't think mapping features that don't actually exist
> is a good practice in the long-run. 

should have been more specific. i believe the city should have
rearranged the traffic flow that would still be useful to the locals,
but make it less attractive for shortcuts, not that we should introduce
fake data :)

> I think a conditional access tag is the best way to go here, since it's
> the only one that will restrict access according to the city's ordinance.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 1:28 PM, "Rihards"  > wrote:
> 
> On 2018.01.08. 21 :07, Andrew Matheny wrote:
> > I believe the affected streets would just need a conditional
> access tag, no?
> >
> > Something like:
> >
> > access:conditional=destination @ (06:00-10:00; 16:00-21:00)
> 
> are there matching street signs ?
> of course, a better approach would be adding traffic calming features or
> making roads one-way so that cut-through would not be beneficial much.
> the reporting segment did not portray the local govt as being very
> competent.
> 
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2018 12:55 PM, "Jack Burke"  
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > I'll leave it to others to decide what, if anything, we should do
> > about this.
> >
> >   
>  
> http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/01/05/leonia-streets-off-navigational-apps/
> 
> 
> >   
>  
>  
> >
> >
> > --jack
> >
> > --
> > Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology
> ...
> --
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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[Andrew Matheny]

>are there matching street signs ?

I'm not sure. But if we know a street has legally-restricted access, I
think our tagging should match that access regardless of whether there's a
sign or not.

Example: Service roads inside an apartment complex (usually tagged
"access=private") are an example of tagging access without a sign.

If anything, I'm betting they'll have signs posted on the unaffected major
streets at city limits, which is where you'll often see signs about cell
phone usage while driving or red light cameras.

>of course, a better approach would be adding traffic calming features or
making roads one-way so that cut-through would not be beneficial much.

Respectfully, I don't think mapping features that don't actually exist is a
good practice in the long-run.

I think a conditional access tag is the best way to go here, since it's the
only one that will restrict access according to the city's ordinance.

Thanks,

Andrew

On Jan 8, 2018 1:28 PM, "Rihards"  wrote:

On 2018.01.08. 21:07, Andrew Matheny wrote:
> I believe the affected streets would just need a conditional access tag,
no?
>
> Something like:
>
> access:conditional=destination @ (06:00-10:00; 16:00-21:00)

are there matching street signs ?
of course, a better approach would be adding traffic calming features or
making roads one-way so that cut-through would not be beneficial much.
the reporting segment did not portray the local govt as being very
competent.

> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>
> On Jan 8, 2018 12:55 PM, "Jack Burke"  > wrote:
>
> I'll leave it to others to decide what, if anything, we should do
> about this.
>
> http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/01/05/leonia-streets-off-
navigational-apps/
> 
>
> --jack
>
> --
> Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology
...
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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[Mike N]

On 1/8/2018 2:17 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote:

I might suggest a solution OSM might consider can be to tag access=destination 
and/or residential=living_street.


 From the video, they're definitely not living_street, so most likely 
access=destination.


But the streets should not "be deleted" as the mayor and residents wish.

   The 'deleted' term is likely a casual way to phrase "remove from 
through-routing", and they're not really seeking blank maps for their 
region.


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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[Rihards]

On 2018.01.08. 21:07, Andrew Matheny wrote:
> I believe the affected streets would just need a conditional access tag, no?
> 
> Something like:
> 
> access:conditional=destination @ (06:00-10:00; 16:00-21:00)

are there matching street signs ?
of course, a better approach would be adding traffic calming features or
making roads one-way so that cut-through would not be beneficial much.
the reporting segment did not portray the local govt as being very
competent.

> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 12:55 PM, "Jack Burke"  > wrote:
> 
> I'll leave it to others to decide what, if anything, we should do
> about this.
> 
> 
> http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/01/05/leonia-streets-off-navigational-apps/
> 
> 
> 
> --jack
> 
> -- 
> Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology
...
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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

First, as they are public (not private) streets, anybody has the right to 
traverse them.  Yes, a local ordinance might (in the near future) prohibit 
access for "cut-through," it is the right of the municipality to pass such an 
ordinance and for local police to enforce it.  "We don't want the mappers to 
put these data into their maps and navigation apps" simply isn't going to 
happen, as we (mappers) are not going to be "muzzled:"  these are real data in 
the real world.  Censorship is not the answer, rather it is proper tagging 
which feeds routing algorithms.

I might suggest a solution OSM might consider can be to tag access=destination 
and/or residential=living_street.  There might also be a note tag briefly 
explaining the local ordinance which gives rise to such a local preponderance 
of access tags.  But the streets should not "be deleted" as the mayor and 
residents wish.  With the right tags, the apps' routing algorithms won't 
include these streets, and the problem (as it is perceived as coming from 
"navigation apps") is effectively solved.

SteveA
California
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Re: [Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[Andrew Matheny]

I believe the affected streets would just need a conditional access tag, no?

Something like:

access:conditional=destination @ (06:00-10:00; 16:00-21:00)

Thanks,

Andrew

On Jan 8, 2018 12:55 PM, "Jack Burke"  wrote:

I'll leave it to others to decide what, if anything, we should do about
this.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/01/05/leonia-streets-off-navigational-apps/

--jack

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[Talk-us] Leonia, NJ doesn't want you to navigate through

[Jack Burke]

I'll leave it to others to decide what, if anything, we should do about this. 

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/01/05/leonia-streets-off-navigational-apps/

--jack

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[Talk-us] keeping the National Agricultural Imagery Program (NAIP) dataset open

[Tom Lee]

The NAIP dataset

is valuable for mapping in the continental US, so I suspect there are more
than a few people on this list who share my alarm at the leaked proposal to
move it to a licensed model. My colleague Charlie just wrote about this on
the Mapbox blog:

https://blog.mapbox.com/keeping-naip-free-open-cf9ad9d310be

If you're a NAIP user, please consider writing about why the dataset is
important to you and why it should remain open. Now is the time to make the
case for keeping this resource available to all. Public statements are the
best way to spread the word about this, but if you'd prefer to stay
private, I'm happy to collect testimonials by email and make sure they get
to the right people in government.

If you're interested in staying up to date with how this advocacy effort is
proceeding, there's also a low-volume listserv you can join:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/save-the-naip

Thanks!
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