Re: [Talk-us] gunnison national forest not being rendered

2019-03-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny

Have you tried loading affected relation in JOSM and running validator?

It often spots important problems.

If you want to do it but gave no idea how to do it, let us know and I will 
explain it in detail.

Mar 3, 2019, 12:15 AM by bradha...@fastmail.com:

> Help me understand why Gunnison NF is not being rendered on the OSMmap 
> (nor on my mkgmap build).   Right next to it is San Isabel NF, same tags 
> & it shows up as do many other NF.
>  
>  Relation: > Gunnison National Forest>  (> 5579230> ) 
>  Relation: > San Isabel National Forest>  (> 396343> )  
>

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Re: [Talk-us] gunnison national forest not being rendered

2019-03-02 Thread Clifford Snow
I'm not sure it's tagged correctly. boundary:type=protected_area, should be
boundary=protected_area. Although I do see boundary:type in use. See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area

See https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1399218#map=9/47.9660/-121.5472
for a National Forest near me that renders or at least renders the borders.

I'm also looking at tagging of conservation areas. We have 15K protected
areas in the continental US. About 5K are missing the protect_class tag.
Although it might be that they shouldn't be a tagged as
boundary=protected_area. I hope to put together a Maproulette challenge to
work on fixing these.

Best,
Clifford

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:08 PM brad  wrote:

> Help me understand why Gunnison NF is not being rendered on the OSM map
> (nor on my mkgmap build).   Right next to it is San Isabel NF,  same tags &
> it shows up as do many other NF.
>
> Relation: Gunnison National Forest (5579230)
> Relation: San Isabel National Forest (396343)
>
> See attached screenshots
>
> Brad
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Re: [Talk-us] Road name update challenges

2019-03-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 5:27 AM Mike N  wrote:

> On 3/1/2019 12:49 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
> >
> > One caution - when doing a building/address import a few years ago, we
> > discovered errors in the counties address database. They had different
> > street names from address street names. The street names matched the
> > street signs but the addresses had a different street name. These were
> > reported to the county
>
> Did you find that the addresses tended to be more correct in your
> case?   In the few cases I cross checked against a business mailing
> address, the address seemed to be correct.
>

Yes - the address are a good indicator of street name. They were found
using the JOSM mapcss paint style that colors by the street name.

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Re: [Talk-us] Road name update challenges

2019-03-02 Thread Mike N

On 3/1/2019 12:49 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:


One caution - when doing a building/address import a few years ago, we 
discovered errors in the counties address database. They had different 
street names from address street names. The street names matched the 
street signs but the addresses had a different street name. These were 
reported to the county


   Did you find that the addresses tended to be more correct in your 
case?   In the few cases I cross checked against a business mailing 
address, the address seemed to be correct.


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Re: [Talk-us] Road name update challenges

2019-03-02 Thread Mike N

On 3/1/2019 10:09 AM, Aaron Forsythe wrote:

 >> 1. Original TIGER had Ruppe Dr at a nearby but incorrect location.

This seems a common enough occurrence that a TIGER data should not be 
used as permanent source.  It's only there to get the map started and 
adjustments from TIGER are required.


  The "TIGER challenges" began as a way to fill in all the new 
subdivisions in areas with no other public data.  It has been very 
effective for those areas.   TIGER continues to evolve and improve in 
its own way, and is suitable as a reference when there is no better 
public data.




 >> The wrong Tuppe Drive still has a "source" tag which is now misleading.

It's not really misleading, as that is still where it came from.


   Does 'it' refer to the geometry, the current or former name, the 
classification as residential (current) or service (previous)?   What if 
the road has to be split in the future?


Use the source tag and include a date of the survey.  This won’t 
directly stop an overwrite, but will at least give a date to compare 
against.


It seems the whole issue stems from an automatic edit without proper 
integration.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct


  I don't see these as automated edits; they are automated detection of 
possible places to improve the map.  If the challenges are built with 
the latest data, the problem of disagreeing challenges goes away.


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