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Re: [Talk-us] Senseless Germans, again.

2018-07-26 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi guys,
I am willing to help re-map the sidewalks in question that got deleted or
fix them up, just point me in the right direction please, any links?

Now about this discussion:

I am one of those mappers who has stopped mapping so much a bit, but life
has gotten in my way.

I would like to add in one cent of insight here after have lived in Germany
for 20 years and being an American, America is huge and people are busy
surviving.

After having moved back to America, I find I have less time to map and
there are generally less people to do the work on open source and open
knowledge projects and a lot more space to map and things to do. Texas is
twice the size of Germany.

We have about same amount of mappers in USA, but with a much more larger
area to cover :
http://www.osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries

I have created my share of messes, Topeka Kansas, for example I got some
negative feedback, and that place needs some more work to get it up to the
level of other places, but at least it has a ton of address data that I
brought in and house locations. It is not Berlin, there are not so many
people working on it as Berlin. I do see that there are some edits going
on.


Here is an overview of where I live, and there are a handful of active
editors.
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=12=40.27294=-74.79694=B0FTT

Tokpeka has like 4 active editors,
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=12=39.02461=-95.71525=B0FTT

Berlin has so many it takes a long time to load
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=13=52.51287=13.39633=B0FTT





On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> Kevin, It's kind of odd that you request that both Bryan and Frederik tone
> down the rhetoric and then generalize and repeat the rhetoric throughout
> your message.
>
> American mappers strive for the same goal as almost every other
> OpenStreetMapper: to improve the map to the best of their ability. I think
> what Bryan is reacting to is the consistent negative and deconstructive
> comments that seem to show up on OpenStreetMap community channels (mailing
> lists, forums, Reddit, IRC, weeklyOSM, etc.) about OSM data in the US.
>
> As you say, the reaction to finding lower-quality data in OSM shouldn't be
> to fire off a message threatening a wholesale revert, it should be to help
> the mappers improve their mapping skills and to contribute your
> improvements so they can learn. Instead of spending the time to build a
> meme about how terrible TIGER data is in some areas and posting it to
> Reddit then posting a tasking manager task to improve a portion of it, just
> skip to creating the tasking manager task and invite folks to improve it.
>
> Hearing that Americans "inhabit a culture of ad-hoc expedience and
> sloppiness" or getting an email from a member of the Data Working Group
> threatening to revert your contributions is not particularly inspiring.
> It's no wonder it's so hard to build a community in the US. Our own
> community is working against us!
>
> Let's not tone down the rhetoric: OSM is a great project and we should be
> excited about it. Let's just stop pushing away mappers who are trying to
> help.
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:53 AM Kevin Kenny 
> wrote:
>
>> Please, let's tone down the rhetoric here - both of you!
>>
>> Frederik has a long and distinguished history with OSM. He cares about
>> the map passionately. He wants very much to see things done right.
>> Alas, that tends to mean that he forgets at times what it means to be
>> a novice, and expects perfection in mapping from the beginning. He
>> works in a part of the world that has a vibrant map community, with
>> experienced locals almost everywhere to guide the way, which means
>> that he actually gets near-perfection from the novices - because there
>> is a generous supply of experienced mentors. For that reason, the
>> Europeans, and the Germans in particular, seem to have trouble
>> grasping the specific problems that we Americans face - land that is
>> incomprehensibly vast to many from Europe, and far too few mappers to
>> cover it.
>>
>> On the other hand, we Americans inhabit a culture of ad-hoc expedients
>> and sloppiness - and pay for it in the map, with broken routing,
>> broken rendering, and so on. We get in data that are 'just barely good
>> enough' - and tend to abandon them to degrade into 'not even good
>> enough' as the next urgent project beckons, of places where there are
>> no usable data at all. Or go off to our other communities - after all,
>> we all have lives beyond the map. (I understand that mapping is also
>> what Frederik does for a living. I don't.) This leaves our map in
>> disarray, and it's easy for someone to want to throw up his hands and
>> rip out big stretches of it.
>>
>> I'm sure that I'm guilty both ways. I've no doubt field-mapped stuff
>> very badly when I was learning, and I've no doubt missed going back to
>> fix things. (I at least hope that I've left matters better than I've
>>

Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

2018-06-10 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi all,
I have had good experience with riot.im matrix.org it is open source,
mobile friendly and has an irc gateway.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

>
>
> Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel:
> >> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the
> community or should we look elsewhere?
> > Glad you asked!  I think Slack has changed the way I work for the better.
> >
> > Here are some advantages..
> > * lower barrier to entry for less technical folks
> > * great mobile experience
> > * good for sharing files / screenshots
> > * works well for both sync and async chat
> > * emoji reactions, can be used to both cut down on noise comments but
> also mark things as read (like our welcome users feed)
> > * integration with basically everything (GitHub, Stripe, RSS anything
> you want really)
> > * easy to start focused public or private channels and pull a few people
> in to a discussion
> > * ability to mute and set availability times
> > * user profiles
> > * decent search
>
> You can have all of that with a number of alternatives, matrix for
> completely open and free, mattermost and so on for less ...
> .. and these alternatives actually connect with other stuff (say irc).
>
> > * everyone is on it
> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially
> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other
> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden.
>
> SImon
>
> >
> > I really can’t imagine going back to something else.  I’d happily pay
> for it if they asked me to.
> >
> > Anyway, I felt it important to speak up because I’ve noticed a very
> common situation when asking for people’s opinion about something, the
> people who are happy will stay silent, and the few who have a problem will
> be the ones who respond.
> >
> > There are currently over 800 people on the OSM-US Slack, and over 3000
> on the GIS Spatial Community Slack.  I have no idea how many people are
> subscribed to the talk-us mailing list.
> >
> > I don’t think we should get rid of mailing lists.  We should still copy
> things to the talk-us mailing that affect the entire US community.
> >
> > Just my thoughts
> > Thanks, Bryan
> >
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Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Zip Data Removal Project (Update)

2017-07-09 Thread Mike Dupont

Hans,

Just wanted to say to not give up working on osm.
Open Knowledge and Open source brings out the worst in people
sometimes, just look at the wikipedia edit wars, and other strife, for
example the systemd discussion.

Some people get very territorial about 'their' section of the map and
upset when someone changes something without talking to them. I have
also cleaned up my fair share of tiger poo, but to mass delete it
would upset me as well, because sometimes it is the best we have for
some remote area.

Try to pick something to contribute on that you can get buy in from
the stakeholders, make sure they support you and you will find that
your experience is much more positive!

mike

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Hans De Kryger
 wrote:
> So last month i started a discussion about a project i took on removing
> Tiger zip data across the U.S. I brought it to the community after i
> received concern from quite a few mappers in the U.S. After getting more
> unfriendly changeset comments and messages in my inbox i'm officially done.
> The Project is done for good. Not really wanting to get in an argument daily
> with the messages I've gotten in my mailbox. I've learned first hand just
> how unfriendly the osm community can be. It makes me quite sad to see that
> side of the it. I've been apart of osm for 4+ years and this type of
> response from the community makes me never want to contribute ever again.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [Talk-us] School districts

2016-08-09 Thread Mike Dupont

I have been thinking about it and the best I can come up with is a relation
of type collection that contains either the areas, streets or houses
associated with the school district cachement area.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Mike Dupont <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Need advice on how to setup a OSM searchable school district lookup system
> using a static js driven site.
>
> Can we start adding the school districts for the map in the usa?
>
> For Lawrence Township they assign individual houses or streets.
>
> Here is the best map I have come up with for lawrence so far :
> https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/761970059430486020
>
> Basically the question is, can we store the school district information
> attached to a house number or street as needed or do we have to store it
> externally?
>
> I would like to add this information to the house or street level in osm
> or find a way to link a customer layer to osm. Basically I want to have the
> user search and find the location in osm, I have added all the house
> numbers to osm where the streets are split. So we would find a street or a
> house number, and for that number I need to return the custom data.
>
> I have setup and cleaned all the data for Lawrence Township, NJ.  We have
> a project page for mercer county here :
> https://github.com/codefortrenton/school-districts
>
> I am making progress on this topic, the way I am planning on doing it now
> is to have a geojson file with all the district areas borders for the
> township and then use a leaflet slippy map to display it on top of osm, and
> nominatim to search for house numbers, and then take the coordinates found
> at a give point to lookup the bounding parcel.
>
> The problem that I see is that the id might change over time, otherwise I
> would use the osm id. I guess I could take the streetname and house number
> and add it to a look up table.
>
> mike
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[Talk-us] Fwd: School districts

2016-08-07 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi guys,

Need advice on how to setup a OSM searchable school district lookup system
using a static js driven site.

Can we start adding the school districts for the map in the usa?

For Lawrence Township they assign individual houses or streets.

Here is the best map I have come up with for lawrence so far :
https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/761970059430486020

Basically the question is, can we store the school district information
attached to a house number or street as needed or do we have to store it
externally?

I would like to add this information to the house or street level in osm or
find a way to link a customer layer to osm. Basically I want to have the
user search and find the location in osm, I have added all the house
numbers to osm where the streets are split. So we would find a street or a
house number, and for that number I need to return the custom data.

I have setup and cleaned all the data for Lawrence Township, NJ.  We have a
project page for mercer county here :
https://github.com/codefortrenton/school-districts

I am making progress on this topic, the way I am planning on doing it now
is to have a geojson file with all the district areas borders for the
township and then use a leaflet slippy map to display it on top of osm, and
nominatim to search for house numbers, and then take the coordinates found
at a give point to lookup the bounding parcel.

The problem that I see is that the id might change over time, otherwise I
would use the osm id. I guess I could take the streetname and house number
and add it to a look up table.

mike

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Re: [Talk-us] Flash Map Mobs!

2015-10-18 Thread Mike Dupont

I own the domain flashmobr.com and would setup a subdomain osm.flashmobr.com if
you want.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Eleanor Tutt 
wrote:

> Very cool & good pointers!
>
> Am I correct that you set the location on Meetup in the morning and then
> you meet in the afternoon? (i.e., quick & "flash mob"-y?) That sounds like
> a lot of fun as it wouldn't take a lot of pre-planning or worrying about
> expectations.
>
> It might be worth promoting the *idea* of the flash map mob as a permanent
> Meetup event - you could probably make it sticky so it always shows up on
> the front of the page, but without a set date attached (does Meetup allow
> that?) That could help with awareness/excitement I think.
>
> Long-term, the "generic" meetup might even have a way to text to opt in to
> "flash map mob" notifications - I know I have opted into several text
> notification services from local organizing groups and I definitely notice
> those announcements more than I would notice a Meetup for day-of
> announcements. I'd be sad if I missed the flash map mob b/c I wasn't
> checking Meetup and/or email! YMMV depending on how people typically
> organize in Salt Lake City.
>
> Eleanor
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I started doing Flash Map Mobs with our Salt Lake City OSM group a couple
>> of months ago. They have been a lot of fun! Plus we added a good amount of
>> POIs in the area. Plus most importantly made new mapping friends! I wrote
>> up my experiences and results:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/36134
>>
>> Let me know if you want to know more, and have fun!
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-16 Thread Mike Dupont

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Greg Troxel  wrote:
> Except that osm is part of the Free Sofware / Open Data world, and it
> isn't reasonable to expect contributors to have a relationship with an
> advertising company.

second that.

So, it woudl be nice to be able to invite everyone who is in some area
to a meetup, a geonotice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geonotice something that would
work with different editors.

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Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-16 Thread Mike Dupont

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM, stevea  wrote:

> OSM needs the same kind of medium.  Today, or soon.  It really WILL
> increase our number of mappers.


How about single sign on, we dont need multiple accounts for all these web
resources.


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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

2015-10-16 Thread Mike Dupont

Here in NJ they pass you on the right on these lanes, it is totally insane.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, John Eldredge <j...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
> My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving
> lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a
> construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People who
> try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations.
>
> --
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> "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot
> drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
> On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke <burke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wait, question:
>>
>> Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for
>> motor vehicles as well?
>>
>> --jack
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
>>> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
>>> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in
>>> this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that
>>> most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>>>
>>> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
>>> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
>>> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
>>> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
>>> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature
>>>
>>> Elliott
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont
>>> <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
>>>> many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
>>>> people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
>>>> so that we can also use that for routing?
>>>>
>>>> Here is a table of the segments with lane information
>>>>
>>>> http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf
>>>>
>>>> I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
>>>> detailed tagging for this information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> mike
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Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-15 Thread Mike Dupont

Many people don't use mailing lists.

What about an recent edits around me feature?  What if we could
comment or vote (like) directly on a changeset/node/line? What if the
discussion could be directly a part of the editing process. Community
could form more naturally. So you could subscribe to a discussion on a
node or area and get updates. Also it would be great to be able to
filter out bots or huge world wide edits.

Other people might want to talk about railroads. Others want to review
talk about recent unreviewed edits. All of these things could be
queried and displayed.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:
> On 10/14/2015 5:30 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>>
>> - in each state, have a state mailinglist, limited to people who
>>actively map in the state, because they live there, or because they
>>drive there to work.  Explicitly discourage non-locals from joining.
>>These lists would have more of a "people you might meet for a geobeer
>>session someday" flavor, rather than people you've never met and
>>won't.
>
>
> We've got Puget Sound (northwest Washington State) and New York State lists.
> I wouldn't say either has been that much of a success. talk-us-pugetsound
> has had 4 messages in the last year, all announcements, and the region has a
> reasonably active OSM community for the US. talk-us-newyork has similar
> numbers, though I'm not sure how active the OSM community is there, as
> opposed to the geo- community.
>
> The problem is that if you make a discussion group too small, it doesn't
> have enough activity to sustain interest in it.
>
> Larger regions might work, but even a statewide group abandons the might
> meet for a geobeer idea where it takes 6 hours to drive across the state.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have any great ideas.
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Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-14 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi there, I would organize a local mapathon for a specific project
that people are interested. Lets map X that you care about.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> Martijn's recent diary post "How can we double the number of active mappers
> in the US in a year?" has an interesting proposition, rather than one big
> annual Meetup, we hold smaller regional meetups. The problem is that the big
> meetup doesn't produce more mappers. I've attended three SOTM-US
> conferences. Common to the three I've attended is the small number of active
> mappers. I wonder what percentage of attendees are active mappers? My sense
> is that it is small. I don't doubt that a great number of attendees have
> made an edit or two. But most are either users of the data or supporters of
> OSM, not contributors. Certainly most don't go back home figure out how to
> build a OSM community.
>
> Before we can tackle mapper growth, let's collect data to help quantify the
> problem. Let's survey mappers to find out what got them here and why they
> stay. Further, let's attempt to contact mappers that have be absent to find
> out why. We should also reach out to Meetup organizers to find what works,
> what doesn't and what additional tools they need. For example, we have an
> active Meetup group in Seattle. But we need more help contacting new
> mappers. Currently the only why is to manually look for new mappers. We need
> better tools. When we conduct mapping parties, it would be nice to have
> handouts to give businesses.
>
> Some other crazy suggestions:
> Partner with incident response teams and create a tool to people to map
> their neighborhood. [2]
> Fund people to travel and give talks at events
> Reduce the cost of admission to SOTM-US. Substantially increase the number
> of scholarships and lower the bar to getting a scholarship.
>
> Martijn has given us an excellent goal. I hope the Board decides to adopt
> this is one of its priorities.
>
> We have a chance to influence future of the US Chapter by voting for
> candidates that will focus on increasing the number of active mappers in the
> US. Remember, we are voting for a position of leadership, not who is the
> best mapper. Please ignore the silly suggestions coming from across the pond
> and vote for the best people to Lead OSM in the US.
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

2015-10-13 Thread Mike Dupont

These are used as an extra turning lane for cars, so going around
corners can be dangerous for cyclists or joggers or walkers who all
share them.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Jack Burke <burke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wait, question:
>
> Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for motor
> vehicles as well?
>
> --jack
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
>> cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
>> the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in
>> this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that
>> most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>>
>> I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
>> and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
>> looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
>> and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
>> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature
>>
>> Elliott
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont
>> <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>> This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
>>> many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
>>> people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
>>> so that we can also use that for routing?
>>>
>>> Here is a table of the segments with lane information
>>>
>>> http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf
>>>
>>> I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
>>> detailed tagging for this information.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> mike
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

2015-10-13 Thread Mike Dupont

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> A hard shoulder is not a bike lane and should not be tagged as such.


If you look at the supporting document some sections are declared as
bikable by the city planning. there are share the road signs in some
areas. I am thinking about how to declare there, I do see people
biking or walking on some.

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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

2015-10-13 Thread Mike Dupont

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> cycleway=lane

I think these are just shoulders used for biking not bike lanes. I
have not seen any bike lanes so far.


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Re: [Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

2015-10-13 Thread Mike Dupont

Take a look at this map of the area
http://www.dvrpc.org/asp/bikemercer/

It would not be used as a source, but it gives you an idea of what
people call bike-able around here.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> Elliott Plack wrote:
>> I am now leaning towards the shoulder tag, and perhaps
>> recommending that the routing tools consider that.
>
> I'd be genuinely delighted to add shoulder support to cycle.travel when
> there's more than a trace number of shoulder tags present in the OSM
> database - missing shoulder information is the second biggest bike routing
> issue in the US IMO (after bogus TIGER highway=residential, of course). But
> as Paul says, please don't misuse cycleway tags for this.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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[Talk-us] Extra wide shoulders / travel lanes in NJ

2015-10-12 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi there,
This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
so that we can also use that for routing?

Here is a table of the segments with lane information
http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf

I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
detailed tagging for this information.


thanks
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Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-05 Thread Mike Dupont

There would be only one database. the layer would just be a filter that
would not display the railways.
if a railway is glued to a node which is moved in another layer, we would
have to duplicate it, so no data can be accidentally changed if not visible.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:

 Mike  Dupont writes:
   On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
  
If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been
tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no
problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze them
   
  
   I still dont understand why we dont support multiple layers. It would
 seem
   to be the most logical thing to do and the api could support that so
 simple
   clients could download a different layers each time.

 The problem is keeping them in synch. If you have a node that
 represents the same thing (e.g. the end of a bridge way), and it's in
 two layers, what happens when somebody downloads layer 1, and moves
 the node? How does it get updated in layer 2? Smarter people than me
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Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

2015-04-04 Thread Mike Dupont

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:

 If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been
 tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no
 problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze them


I still dont understand why we dont support multiple layers. It would seem
to be the most logical thing to do and the api could support that so simple
clients could download a different layers each time.


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Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour - Next Monday

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Dupont

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 OpenHistoricalMap. Read about it here:
 http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/about but better still, come join the
 Mappy Hour next week.


That is great! nice to hear about that project. Good job!


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Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Dupont

Here in Kansas we have very many abandoned railways (and many pickup trucks
to replace them) that are turned into trails or paved over and still
visible. I would say if there is any sign of them left to keep the
information in some way.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:12 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
 wrote:
  On 03/31/2015 08:04 AM, Natfoot wrote:
  There is so many situations where to his naked eye on the ground he may
  not be able to see it.  To a person like myself I can still find the
  signs on the earth of where the railroad once was.
 
  Then map the signs that *are*, but not the railroad which - as you
  correctly say - once *was*.
  Bye
  Frederik

 For background, in the USA there is an intermediate step to
 abandonment.  A corridor can be railbanked,
 meaning the easements don't expire.  It's not an active railway, but
 it can be returned to rail service
 via an administrative procedure.  And in fact, that's happened.
 Usually however these become trails,
 a process that can take decades.

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Re: [Talk-us] OSM topics at Kansas Linux Fest

2014-11-28 Thread Mike Dupont

The location is at the Lawrence public library in the new confrence
room, http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/51126839

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
 I'm tentatively scheduled to work that day...could you narrow down the
 location in Kansas?


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 Howdy,
 I am working on an free/libre open source software/open knowledge
 festival in Kansas on March 21-22 2015,
 kansaslinuxfest.us and would like to invite OSM people to talk and attend!
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[Talk-us] OSM topics at Kansas Linux Fest

2014-11-27 Thread Mike Dupont

Howdy,
I am working on an free/libre open source software/open knowledge
festival in Kansas on March 21-22 2015,
kansaslinuxfest.us and would like to invite OSM people to talk and attend!
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[Talk-us] Event Invite: Intro to Openstreetmap March 29 Lawrence Creates On March 29 at 18:00-21:00

2014-03-12 Thread Mike Dupont

Intro to Openstreetmap March 29 Lawrence Creates On March 29 at 18:00-21:00
at Lawrence Creates we will be organizing a intro to openstreetmap.org

Location https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2480338498 512 E 9th St. (9th
and NJ), Lawrence, KS 66044-66044 Lawrence United States of America

All are welcome.
https://sites.google.com/site/flosokaks/events/introtoopenstreetmapmarch29lawrencecreates
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Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Route mapping projects

2013-10-21 Thread Mike Dupont

KANSAS

Model: Not Determined

Phase I: Planning

There is interest in the U.S. Bicycle Route System with momentum
behind USBR 66 and 76. To find out more about bicycle and pedestrian
transportation in Kansas, and to view our Kansas Bicycle Guide, please
visit the DOT Bike/Pedestrian program.

For more information contact Becky Pepper at rpepper(at)ksdot(dot)org.
http://www.adventurecycling.org/routes-and-maps/us-bicycle-route-system/national-corridor-plan/index.cfm#ks

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Paul,

 No, KS has not even engaged in defining a route for USBR 66 (though it would
 be a very short segment across the SE corner of the state).  I'm collecting
 all the responses and will get everyone up to speed once the list of mappers
 is stable.  I'll keep you posted.


 Kerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
 Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:28 AM
 To: KerryIrons
 Cc: OSM US Talk; steve...@softworkers.com
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Route mapping projects

 I believe I recall seeing that Kansas already has erected USBR 66 signs.
  I'm down to map any segment west of Joplin (I'm familiar with US 66 up to
 that point).

 On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
 OSM mappers:

 As you may know from past discussions there is a developing US Bicycle Route
 system and there are a number of projects underway at the state level to
 develop and designate USBRs.  Those project teams are at various stages of
 development but may be interested in partnering with one or more OSM mappers
 to get their proposed or approved routes into the OSM data base.

 Steve All and I found similar work to be a fruitful collaboration together,
 and I look forward to doing that again multiplied many times at the
 statewide level.  Steve has developed a high level of expertise on USBR
 mapping and has wiki pages to explain the process AND we have good examples
 (of well-tagged routes) at the national and state levels.  He is happy to be
 a reference available to answer syntax/tagging/technical questions about OSM
 itself that are specific to bicycle route mapping.

 Here is the list of current or incipient USBR projects where involvement
 from OSM mappers could be helpful to the project effort.

 Alabama, USBR 90 and perhaps USBR 23
 Arkansas, USBR 80 and USBR 51
 California, USBR 66
 Indiana, USBR 35, USBR 50
 Louisiana, USBR 90
 Maryland, USBR 50
 Mississippi, USBR 90, USBR 25/35 (Natchez Trace)
 Nevada, USBR 50
 New Mexico, USBR 66
 Ohio, USBR 50
 Oklahoma, USBR 66
 Tennessee, USBR 23
 Virginia, USBR 11
 Washington, USBR 10
 Wisconsin, USBR 30
 Wyoming, USBR 76

 If you are interested in helping one or more of these project teams, please
 let me know and I will introduce you to the appropriate state level USBR
 folks.


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[Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks

2013-05-28 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi all, I would like some help here. I have spent the past 6 months
working on the shawnee county and now douglass county.. Now paul
norman has decided to delete massive amounts of data and refuses to
even discuss or work with me on this.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16288086
Is anyone interested in helping out on this? I feel horrible about
this situation and would like to resolve it. Yes I did not follow all
procedures on this, but have not caused any problems, I have now a bot
to clean up any badly named streets. Also I have dont months of manual
cleanup. this effort is being undermined. I ask only that we find a
good solution to the issue without just random deletion.
thanks
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Re: [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-27 Thread Mike Dupont

Well I have been looking into the law today, and I talked to the gis expert
at the county.
First of all we are not importing the peoples names, so anyone doing a mass
mailing would be be just getting the address.
The data that we imported is being bought by many companies he said. And
the address information is being also available from the post as well.
I am going to talk to more people in the county or the state, but my first
contact said there should be no problem. All we are importing is the fact
that there is a house there with that number and the zipcode and the type
of landuse.


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 Sorry, I did not finish that. I have already written to legal about it.
 Trulia and Zillow are using this data in full. I have stripped out all
 personal and contact information so I think that it should not fall under
 the no selling of contact info clause.
 The data is basically PD/ disclaimed
 http://www.snco.us/Ap/B_prop/Disclaimer.shtm

 the relevant law is :

 Kansas Open Records Act Statement

 By accessing this site, you are required to make the following
 certification pursuant to K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2): the requester does not
 intend to, and will not: (A) Use any list of names or addresses contained
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 derived from the records or information for the purpose of allowing that
 person to sell or offer for sale any property or service to any person
 listed or to any person who resides at any address listed.

 maybe you could say that you can use osm to create an address db, but i
 think we should look into it
 mike


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 2.   **What is the license that this data is under? I did not see a
 copyright statement.

 This is basically PD data from the government. under the open data act
 the only restriction is that the
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Re: [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-27 Thread Mike Dupont

This is about shawnee county, not riley. I am working on getting a
written confirmation, until then I will not import any more data, just
continue to clean up what I have imported.
mike

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
 While we didn't discuss it in terms of this specific law, this does
 match my conversation with the Riley county GIS department. As long as
 names aren't used, they do not have any problems with their
 information being used in OSM.

 Toby


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 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Well I have been looking into the law today, and I talked to the gis expert
 at the county.
 First of all we are not importing the peoples names, so anyone doing a mass
 mailing would be be just getting the address.
 The data that we imported is being bought by many companies he said. And the
 address information is being also available from the post as well.
 I am going to talk to more people in the county or the state, but my first
 contact said there should be no problem. All we are importing is the fact
 that there is a house there with that number and the zipcode and the type of
 landuse.


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 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Sorry, I did not finish that. I have already written to legal about it.
 Trulia and Zillow are using this data in full. I have stripped out all
 personal and contact information so I think that it should not fall under
 the no selling of contact info clause.
 The data is basically PD/ disclaimed
 http://www.snco.us/Ap/B_prop/Disclaimer.shtm

 the relevant law is :

 Kansas Open Records Act Statement

 By accessing this site, you are required to make the following
 certification pursuant to K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2): the requester does not
 intend to, and will not: (A) Use any list of names or addresses contained in
 or derived from the records or information for the purpose of selling or
 offering for sale any property or service to any person listed or to any
 person who resides at any address listed; or (B) sell, give or otherwise
 make available to any person any list of names or addresses contained in or
 derived from the records or information for the purpose of allowing that
 person to sell or offer for sale any property or service to any person
 listed or to any person who resides at any address listed.

 maybe you could say that you can use osm to create an address db, but i
 think we should look into it
 mike


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 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

 2.   What is the license that this data is under? I did not see a
 copyright statement.

 This is basically PD data from the government. under the open data act
 the only restriction is that the
 http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_45/Article_2/#45-216




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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-21 Thread Mike Dupont

Yes, I am going to be working on this.
We can remove the US and KS easily.
Not all is perfect, Some of the nodes dont have a house number.

That farm node you mentioned is an empty farmyard.
http://www.snco.us/Ap/R_prop/Listing.asp?PRCL_ID=0282701001001010 It does
not have a house number, but it does exist as a property. I will be either
removing them or removing the building nodes. What do you think?

Now Flu Con Inc is listed at that address. I added it for now, will be
checking it on monday by calling them.

This data does need fixing up, it is not perfect, but I am working on it.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:

Just saw some of this going in and decided to take a look.
Specifically this node:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2078174875

- I think there is pretty good consensus that we don't need addr:state
and addr:country tags
- The addr:street tag has odd capitalization
- The building=* tag typically doesn't belong on nodes
- It has both building and landuse tags. Seems odd.
- There doesn't appear to be a building there on Bing. Is it new?
- Not sure about all the lbcs: tags. Sometimes it is useful to pull in
external information but it is also clutter in OSM
- The tags are all identical to this node that is 60 meters north:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2078081231

Seems like this could use some more fixing up before it hits the OSM
database.

Toby

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Mike Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
I have added the info to the wiki
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas/Shawnee_County/Import

also the scripts are updated. I am been manually replacing the plot info
with just the building, so the only info being imported are the house
numbers and zip codes and the lbcs tags. Also for the new script, I
create a
single point with the average location of the points making up the plot
and
then manually place that on top of the major building manually. this
checks
the data and also basically removes all data being copied, everything is
only just the basic facts.

mike

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Mike Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:

Am 15/dic/2012 um 22:39 schrieb Mike Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:

3. What tagging are you proposing?

addr:* and landuse
the only additional tag are the four detailed landuse tags
eg
lbcs:activity:code{1100=1}
lbcs:activity:name{Household activities=1}
lbcs:function:code{1170=1}
lbcs:function:name{Garden apartment complex (1=1}

These codes are details on how the lot is zoned. otherwise I am using
this information for fixing the street names and zip codes.

Are the landuses you plan to tag actual landuses or permitted/planned
landuses?

These are actual landuses, the ones that describe the business.
when you register a business here in kansas, you have to provide this
information.
https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s1

I will also be looking into how that data can be extracted and compared
some day. This is more than zoning infomation.
If you look at this for example :
http://www.snco.us/Ap/C_prop/Listing.asp?PRCL_ID=0973604030001000

2151-Grocery store / supermarket
2110-Goods-oriented shopping
that is very accurate and could be used for direct tag information.

there is a building layer on the snco gis site, but I have not figured
out
how to extract it, it seems to be hidden. So I am tracing them from
bing.
http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/7
http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/8

4. The last few times someone has proposed importing property
lot
data the consensus has been that that type of data shouldn’t be
imported
into OSM. Why is this different?

I am importing the plots for zipcode, house number and address data. It
is being used to tag the buildings, it can be deleted when it has been
totally processed.

IMHO addresses belong (often) to plots, so in these cases there is no
point in transferring the address information to a building. Don't
remember
consensus to not import property limits. I do remember though that
there
were concerns about the sheer amount of data increase if we imported
this
for the whole world.

Cheers,
Martin

http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=2033+Southwest+Wanamaker+Rd%2C+Topeka%2C+Kansasviewbox=-217.97%2C80.28%2C217.97%2C

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-21 Thread Mike Dupont

Well we can remove the names of the lbcs codes, I left them for now because
it is very useful for editing. I am using them to search while editing etc.

Well the amount of data we are extracting is very very limited, I see this
as basic fair use and factual information. The county gis officer knows
what I am doing and did not say anything. The data should be easy to delete
if needed.

Right now I am still working out the tagging of the various nodes, and when
it all done we will remove the lbcs data when it is no longer needed.
This is all work in progress, but already the osm database is better than
google and other databases, I have been removing misplaced tags and nodes.

Also on the issue of violation of the kansas law, trulia and zillow and
many others have real copies of this data in a much more commercial manner
and I dont see that they are getting in trouble. I dont think it will be a
big issue.

mike


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 You are proposing importing both the code **and** the description of the
 code. Why both? 

 ** **

 For that matter, why either at all? A user isn’t going to know what to do
 with it when editing the other tags.

 ** **

 I can’t see a link to the license on the wiki. Could you please provide
 one. A lack of a license does not indicate public domain. Some counties
 consider their geodata to be PD, some don’t. It’s likely that Shawanee
 does, but there’s no confirmation of that that I see.

 ** **

 The K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2)(B) declaration is a bit odd. It doesn’t seem to
 match up exactly with K.S.A. 45-230 which is titled “unlawful use of names
 derived from public records.”

 ** **

 Remember, ODbL like any open license (e.g. CC BY, CC0, CC BY-SA, etc)
 allows people to resell the data. Someone could take the OSM address data
 and do a mass mailing based on it.

 ** **

 I guess **you** might get into trouble based on it but the person doing
 so would probably be okay since they didn’t make the K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2)
 certification.

 ** **

 *From:* Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 9:51 AM
 *To:* Martin Koppenhöfer
 *Cc:* Paul Norman; imports; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse

 ** **

 I have added the info to the wiki

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas/Shawnee_County/Import

 ** **

 also the scripts are updated. I am been manually replacing the  plot info
 with just the building, so the only info being imported are the house
 numbers and zip codes and the lbcs tags. Also for the new script, I create
 a single point with the average location of the points making up the plot
 and then manually place that on top of the major building manually. this
 checks the data and also basically removes all data being copied,
 everything is only just the basic facts. 

 ** **

 mike

 ** **

 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Mike Dupont 
 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

 ** **

 ** **

 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer 
 dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:



 Am 15/dic/2012 um 22:39 schrieb Mike  Dupont 
 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:

 3.   What tagging are you proposing?

 addr:* and landuse
 the only additional tag are the four detailed landuse tags
 eg
 lbcs:activity:code{1100=1}
 lbcs:activity:name{Household activities=1}
 lbcs:function:code{1170=1}
 lbcs:function:name{Garden apartment complex (1=1}

 These codes are details on how the lot is zoned. otherwise I am using this
 information for fixing the street names and zip codes. 

 Are the landuses you plan to tag actual landuses or permitted/planned
 landuses?


 These are actual landuses, the ones that describe the business.
 when you register a business here in kansas, you have to provide this
 information.
 https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s1

 I will also be looking into how that data can be extracted and compared
 some day. This is more than zoning infomation.
 If you look at this for example :
 http://www.snco.us/Ap/C_prop/Listing.asp?PRCL_ID=0973604030001000

 2151-Grocery store / supermarket
 2110-Goods-oriented shopping

 that is very accurate and could be used for direct tag information.

 there is a building layer on the snco gis site, but I have not figured out
 how to extract it, it seems to be hidden. So I am tracing them from bing.
 http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/7
 http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/8

 4.   The last few times someone has proposed importing property lot
 data the consensus has been that that type of data shouldn’t be imported
 into OSM. Why is this different?

 I am importing the plots for zipcode, house number and address data. It is
 being used to tag the buildings, it can be deleted when it has been totally
 processed

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-21 Thread Mike Dupont

I dont think that zipcodes and housenumbers count as copyrightable in usa.
I am not importing the entire database, and I am not copying the shapes
there. Also I am matching them up with bing, I really have doubts about the
data being protected in any meaningful way. I will do more research with
the county and get an opinion from them in writing on monday.

mike


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 To be clear, you do **not** have a license for this data but are relying
 on fair use and your opinion of what is copyrighted?

 ** **

 Also, are you relying on the fact that others haven’t gotten into trouble
 as support for this import being legally okay?

 ** **

 *From:* Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 6:51 PM
 *To:* Paul Norman
 *Cc:* imports; talk-us@openstreetmap.org

 *Subject:* Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse

 ** **

 Well we can remove the names of the lbcs codes, I left them for now
 because it is very useful for editing. I am using them to search while
 editing etc. 

 ** **

 Well the amount of data we are extracting is very very limited, I see this
 as basic fair use and factual information. The county gis officer knows
 what I am doing and did not say anything. The data should be easy to delete
 if needed.

 ** **

 Right now I am still working out the tagging of the various nodes, and
 when it all done we will remove the lbcs data when it is no longer needed.
 

 This is all work in progress, but already the osm database is better than
 google and other databases, I have been removing misplaced tags and nodes.
 

 ** **

 Also on the issue of violation of the kansas law, trulia and zillow and
 many others have real copies of this data in a much more commercial manner
 and I dont see that they are getting in trouble. I dont think it will be a
 big issue.

 ** **

 mike

 ** **

 On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 You are proposing importing both the code **and** the description of the
 code. Why both? 

  

 For that matter, why either at all? A user isn’t going to know what to do
 with it when editing the other tags.

  

 I can’t see a link to the license on the wiki. Could you please provide
 one. A lack of a license does not indicate public domain. Some counties
 consider their geodata to be PD, some don’t. It’s likely that Shawanee
 does, but there’s no confirmation of that that I see.

  

 The K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2)(B) declaration is a bit odd. It doesn’t seem to
 match up exactly with K.S.A. 45-230 which is titled “unlawful use of names
 derived from public records.”

  

 Remember, ODbL like any open license (e.g. CC BY, CC0, CC BY-SA, etc)
 allows people to resell the data. Someone could take the OSM address data
 and do a mass mailing based on it.

  

 I guess **you** might get into trouble based on it but the person doing
 so would probably be okay since they didn’t make the K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2)
 certification.

  

 *From:* Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 9:51 AM
 *To:* Martin Koppenhöfer
 *Cc:* Paul Norman; imports; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse

  

 I have added the info to the wiki

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas/Shawnee_County/Import

  

 also the scripts are updated. I am been manually replacing the  plot info
 with just the building, so the only info being imported are the house
 numbers and zip codes and the lbcs tags. Also for the new script, I create
 a single point with the average location of the points making up the plot
 and then manually place that on top of the major building manually. this
 checks the data and also basically removes all data being copied,
 everything is only just the basic facts. 

  

 mike

  

 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Mike Dupont 
 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

  

  

 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer 
 dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:



 Am 15/dic/2012 um 22:39 schrieb Mike  Dupont 
 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:

 3.   What tagging are you proposing?

 addr:* and landuse
 the only additional tag are the four detailed landuse tags
 eg
 lbcs:activity:code{1100=1}
 lbcs:activity:name{Household activities=1}
 lbcs:function:code{1170=1}
 lbcs:function:name{Garden apartment complex (1=1}

 These codes are details on how the lot is zoned. otherwise I am using this
 information for fixing the street names and zip codes. 

 Are the landuses you plan to tag actual landuses or permitted/planned
 landuses?


 These are actual landuses, the ones that describe the business.
 when you register a business here in kansas, you have to provide this
 information.
 https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-16 Thread Mike Dupont

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer
dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote:

Am 15/dic/2012 um 22:39 schrieb Mike Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com:

3. **What tagging are you proposing?

These codes are details on how the lot is zoned. otherwise I am using this
information for fixing the street names and zip codes.

Are the landuses you plan to tag actual landuses or permitted/planned
landuses?

These are actual landuses, the ones that describe the business.
when you register a business here in kansas, you have to provide this
information.
https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s1

2151-Grocery store / supermarket
2110-Goods-oriented shopping
that is very accurate and could be used for direct tag information.

there is a building layer on the snco gis site, but I have not figured out
how to extract it, it seems to be hidden. So I am tracing them from bing.
http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/7
http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/8

**4. **The last few times someone has proposed importing property
lot data the consensus has been that that type of data shouldn’t be
imported into OSM. Why is this different?

I am importing the plots for zipcode, house number and address data. It is
being used to tag the buildings, it can be deleted when it has been totally
processed.

IMHO addresses belong (often) to plots, so in these cases there is no
point in transferring the address information to a building. Don't remember
consensus to not import property limits. I do remember though that there
were concerns about the sheer amount of data increase if we imported this
for the whole world.

Cheers,
Martin

Well these are plots/property limits. And I dont want to import them for
the whole world, just the streets that I am tracing buildings from so
that I can quickly find locations. Also did you notice that
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ can now find house numbers accurately
for these streets I imported :
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=2033+Southwest+Wanamaker+Rd%2C+Topeka%2C+Kansasviewbox=-217.97%2C80.28%2C217.97%2C-70.31

Until the houses are traced and the data transfered like i did here :

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/196582551 I removed the plot and
the lbcs data and left only the house itself.
I forgot the landuse=residential.

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[Talk-us] shawnee county landuse

2012-12-15 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi,
Paul Norman pointed out that I forgot to mail people about my work on
topeka. I have recently moved here and have been working on fixing things
up.

I am working on the topekabikelanes.org as a volunteer and have put in all
the bikelanes as proposed routes.

I am using the county gis system http://gis.snco.us/publicgis/ps/ and have
written a ruby script to pull out the house numbers and land useage data.
This data is being check street by street by me personally and I am
repairing bad names and tiger garbage.

About a separate account, I dont know how I am going to easily manage that,
anyone have an idea to do that in josm? In any case i am not mass
importing, but doing street by street what I would be doing manually.

please advise if there is anything else you need to know.

code is here :
https://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/shawnee-county-osm-landuse

thanks,
mike

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[Talk-us] Fwd: osm and K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2)

2012-12-15 Thread Mike Dupont

the only issue that we might have with the data imported is this law,
but trulia and zillow and all those property databases also have all this
data as well.

Also I found this, a nice set of contours and orthophotos
http://www.topeka.org/maps/gis_map.htm

mike

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Date: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Subject: osm and K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2)
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Hello,
Would putting the data in osm be in violation of the kansas law  K.S.A.
45-220(c)(2)?

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_45/Article_2/45-230.html

 K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2): the requester does not intend to, and will not: (A)
Use any list of names or addresses contained in or derived from the records
or information for the purpose of selling or offering for sale any property
or service to any person listed or to any person who resides at any address
listed; or (B) sell, give or otherwise make available to any person any
list of names or addresses contained in or derived from the records or
information for the purpose of allowing that person to sell or offer for
sale any property or service to any person listed or to any person who
resides at any address listed.

thanks
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Re: [Talk-us] Now you can see how much vandalism the OSMF will carry out on April Fools

2011-12-14 Thread Mike Dupont

I also did not click decline, and I dont see why it has to be that
easy. I have said many times, all my work outside of kosovo and
albania you can relicense. I dont see a button for that?
Why should I make it easy for you? I put months of work into it, and
spent also alot of money traveling around and talking to people. why
should I just give it up ?
mike

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
 80n wrote:
 Richard, I already did fix it, just not in the way that you'd like.
 Sorry.

 Ok. If that's final, could I then ask you to have the courage of your
 convictions and actually click 'Decline' to the Contributor Terms, please,
 rather than leaving it hanging as 'Undecided'?

 cheers
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] The Open Source OpenStreetMap Book

2011-10-23 Thread Mike Dupont

besfort was working on a book as well in albanian,
http://besiguri.wordpress.com/libri-book-openstreetmap-krijoni-harten-tuaj/
mike

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 That would be great. I also saw that someone cloned it to do a French
 translation.

 On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Tomi Toivio t...@flossmanuals.net wrote:

 We have been thinking about translating it to Finnish on the Finnish FLOSS
 Manuals. That OK with you? :)

 2011/10/23 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com

 Hi all,
 Over the last week, Kate Chapman, Shaun McDonald and I worked together
 with some professional documentation people to write an open source
 OpenStreetMap getting started book.
 Please read my diary post to get an idea of what we
 did: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/iandees/diary/15152
 We're looking for feedback and help keeping it up to date. In the
 medium-term we'd like to expand this book so that it can replace the Getting
 Started pages on the wiki and create a second book to cover the more
 technical use cases (pulling the technical bits out of this current doc).
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] The Open Source OpenStreetMap Book

2011-10-23 Thread Mike Dupont

It is not the price that matters, but the freedom to derive translations.
what good is a book that we cannot translate. Why would you ever
translate your book to some obscure language, and then who would print
it?
thanks,
mike

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:49:39PM -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Great, absolutely great. I just ordered a hard copy but I see you have
 a stash right there?! It would make an awesome welcome gift for new
 OSM (-US) members. Welcome package: the book, an OSM surveying vest
 and a list of 10 1-hour cleanup projects in your own area.

 Or you could take a finished OSM book which is, admittedly, a bit more
 expensive, but contains a lot more content... See www.openstreetmap.info

 Jochen
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Re: [Talk-us] Ideas for OSMF US Swag

2011-05-29 Thread Mike Dupont

My idea was to write letters to the editors of all the local
newspapers, in each letter we would tell the about the map and invite
them to look at the local map of thier area

I wrote a script to automate the usage of the press center :
http://capwiz.com/aauw/dbq/media/

here is the code, you can use that to send ca. 5000 letters
http://fmtyewtk.blogspot.com/2011/05/script-to-write-letters-to-editors.html

thanks,
mike
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thea Aldrich wrote:

 Our question to the
 community is: If you like this idea, what types of branded materials would
 you like?

 I think it is a great idea and is the sort of thing a local chapter can be
 useful for to support the community and help spread the word.

 One thing that would imho be useful is to create flyers [1] to hand out to
 people who haven't heard about OSM to explain what OSM is about and why
 people should care to contribute.

 From what I have gathered, the German flyer [2] has been quite a success
 with apparently 40.000 flyers printed and distributed to date. There is now
 also an English flyer which the UK chapter distributes for free [3], but it
 only extends its offer to UK.

 So perhaps OSMF-US could print and distribute a similar flyer in the US,
 although it might be good to adapt it to fit the needs of the US better
 first.

 There is at least one English language flyer around.  If I recall the
 biggest hold up is that nobody volunteered to do the actual mailings
 from a US address.  Is somebody willing to do that?  ideally, the
 volunteer would send out flyers each week in response to the requests.

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