I dont think that zipcodes and housenumbers count as copyrightable in usa. I am not importing the entire database, and I am not copying the shapes there. Also I am matching them up with bing, I really have doubts about the data being protected in any meaningful way. I will do more research with the county and get an opinion from them in writing on monday.
mike On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com> wrote: > To be clear, you do **not** have a license for this data but are relying > on fair use and your opinion of what is copyrighted?**** > > ** ** > > Also, are you relying on the fact that others haven’t gotten into trouble > as support for this import being legally okay?**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 6:51 PM > *To:* Paul Norman > *Cc:* imports; talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse**** > > ** ** > > Well we can remove the names of the lbcs codes, I left them for now > because it is very useful for editing. I am using them to search while > editing etc. **** > > ** ** > > Well the amount of data we are extracting is very very limited, I see this > as basic fair use and factual information. The county gis officer knows > what I am doing and did not say anything. The data should be easy to delete > if needed.**** > > ** ** > > Right now I am still working out the tagging of the various nodes, and > when it all done we will remove the lbcs data when it is no longer needed. > **** > > This is all work in progress, but already the osm database is better than > google and other databases, I have been removing misplaced tags and nodes. > **** > > ** ** > > Also on the issue of violation of the kansas law, trulia and zillow and > many others have real copies of this data in a much more commercial manner > and I dont see that they are getting in trouble. I dont think it will be a > big issue.**** > > ** ** > > mike**** > > ** ** > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com> wrote:**** > > You are proposing importing both the code **and** the description of the > code. Why both? **** > > **** > > For that matter, why either at all? A user isn’t going to know what to do > with it when editing the other tags.**** > > **** > > I can’t see a link to the license on the wiki. Could you please provide > one. A lack of a license does not indicate public domain. Some counties > consider their geodata to be PD, some don’t. It’s likely that Shawanee > does, but there’s no confirmation of that that I see.**** > > **** > > The K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2)(B) declaration is a bit odd. It doesn’t seem to > match up exactly with K.S.A. 45-230 which is titled “unlawful use of names > derived from public records.”**** > > **** > > Remember, ODbL like any open license (e.g. CC BY, CC0, CC BY-SA, etc) > allows people to resell the data. Someone could take the OSM address data > and do a mass mailing based on it.**** > > **** > > I guess **you** might get into trouble based on it but the person doing > so would probably be okay since they didn’t make the K.S.A. 45-220(c)(2) > certification.**** > > **** > > *From:* Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 9:51 AM > *To:* Martin Koppenhöfer > *Cc:* Paul Norman; imports; talk-us@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Imports] [Talk-us] shawnee county landuse**** > > **** > > I have added the info to the wiki**** > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kansas/Shawnee_County/Import**** > > **** > > also the scripts are updated. I am been manually replacing the plot info > with just the building, so the only info being imported are the house > numbers and zip codes and the lbcs tags. Also for the new script, I create > a single point with the average location of the points making up the plot > and then manually place that on top of the major building manually. this > checks the data and also basically removes all data being copied, > everything is only just the basic facts. **** > > **** > > mike**** > > **** > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Mike Dupont < > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:**** > > **** > > **** > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:**** > > > > Am 15/dic/2012 um 22:39 schrieb Mike Dupont < > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com>:**** > > 3. What tagging are you proposing?**** > > addr:* and landuse > the only additional tag are the four detailed landuse tags > eg > lbcs:activity:code {1100=1} > lbcs:activity:name {Household activities=1} > lbcs:function:code {1170=1} > lbcs:function:name {Garden apartment complex (1=1} > > These codes are details on how the lot is zoned. otherwise I am using this > information for fixing the street names and zip codes. **** > > Are the landuses you plan to tag actual landuses or permitted/planned > landuses?**** > > > These are actual landuses, the ones that describe the business. > when you register a business here in kansas, you have to provide this > information. > https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s1 > > I will also be looking into how that data can be extracted and compared > some day. This is more than zoning infomation. > If you look at this for example : > http://www.snco.us/Ap/C_prop/Listing.asp?PRCL_ID=0973604030001000 > > "2151-Grocery store / supermarket" > "2110-Goods-oriented shopping"**** > > that is very accurate and could be used for direct tag information. > > there is a building layer on the snco gis site, but I have not figured out > how to extract it, it seems to be hidden. So I am tracing them from bing. > http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/7 > http://gis.snco.us/ArcGIS/rest/services/Basemap_102100/MapServer/8**** > > 4. The last few times someone has proposed importing property lot > data the consensus has been that that type of data shouldn’t be imported > into OSM. Why is this different?**** > > I am importing the plots for zipcode, house number and address data. It is > being used to tag the buildings, it can be deleted when it has been totally > processed. **** > > **** > > **** > > IMHO addresses belong (often) to plots, so in these cases there is no > point in transferring the address information to a building. Don't remember > consensus to not import property limits. I do remember though that there > were concerns about the sheer amount of data increase if we imported this > for the whole world.**** > > **** > > Cheers,**** > > Martin**** > > > Well these are plots/property limits. And I dont want to import them for > the whole world, just the streets that I am tracing buildings from so > that I can quickly find locations. Also did you notice that > http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ can now find house numbers accurately > for these streets I imported : **** > > > http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=2033+Southwest+Wanamaker+Rd%2C+Topeka%2C+Kansas&viewbox=-217.97%2C80.28%2C217.97%2C-70.31 > > Until the houses are traced and the data transfered like i did here : > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/196582551 I removed the plot and > the lbcs data and left only the house itself. > I forgot the landuse=residential. > **** > > > -- > James Michael DuPont > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion > http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com > Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org > Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 > Free Software Foundation Europe Fellow http://fsfe.org/support/?h4ck3rm1k3 > **** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- > James Michael DuPont > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion > http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com > Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org > Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 > Free Software Foundation Europe Fellow http://fsfe.org/support/?h4ck3rm1k3 > **** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > James Michael DuPont > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion > http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com > Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org > Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 > Free Software Foundation Europe Fellow http://fsfe.org/support/?h4ck3rm1k3 > **** > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 Free Software Foundation Europe Fellow http://fsfe.org/support/?h4ck3rm1k3
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